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RangerBoy 12-03-2009 03:45 PM

Rangers put Dubinsky on Long Term IR
 
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NYRangers move Brandon Dubinsky (broken right hand) retroactively to long-term injured reserve to fit D Ilkka Heikkinen on roster
https://twitter.com/AGrossRecord

Retroactive to November 7.

Fitzy 12-03-2009 03:48 PM

Can they remove him at any time or does he have to be there 10 days?

D713B 12-03-2009 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Fitzy (Post 22449894)
Can they remove him at any time or does he have to be there 10 days?

He'll be able to come off anytime after the Buffalo game.

Kovy274Hart 12-03-2009 03:50 PM

Why did it take Sather so freaking long? He's such a fool. I know this ain't all his fault. Tortorella is the reason we have no fourth line and Brashear. It's sickening.

Sangs wasn't even bad. But this org. is f'in retarded. The couple of days our server (Battle of NY) is down, I can't even blast this incompetence. I bet Slats got the idea from the Rodent. How sad.

RangerBoy 12-03-2009 03:53 PM

This is the gist of LTI

50.10

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(d)Bona-Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception to the Upper Limit. In
the event that a Player on a Club becomes unfit to play (i.e., is injured, ill or disabled and
unable to perform his duties as a hockey Player) such that the Club's physician believes,
in his or her opinion, that the Player, owing to either an injury or an illness, will be unfit
to play for at least (i) twenty-four (24) calendar days and (ii) ten (10) NHL Regular
Season games, and such Club desires to replace such Player, the Club may add an
addit ional Player or Players to its Act ive Roster, and the replacement Player Salary and
Bonuses of such addit ional Player(s) may increase the Club's Averaged Club Salary to an
amount up to and exceeding the Upper Limit, solely as, and to the extent and for the
duration, set forth below. If, however, the League wishes to challenge the determinat ion
of a Club physician that a Player is unfit to play for purposes of the Bona-Fide Long-
Term Injury/Illness Except ion, the League and the NHLPA shall promptly confer and
joint ly select a neutral physician, who shall review the Club physician's determinat ion
regarding the Player's fit ness to play.


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(vi) A Club may elect to replace a Player who is unfit to play under this
Bona-Fide Long-Term Injury Except ion at any point during the
period that he is unfit to play, and any days and games already
missed by the Player as a result of his being unfit to play
(i.e., the
injury/illness causing him to miss more than twenty-four (24)
calendar days and ten (10) NHL Regular Season games) prior to
the elect ion of the Bona-Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception
shall retroactively count toward the missed twent y-four (24)
calendar days and ten (10) NHL Regular Season games for the
Player. If a Club exercises this Bona-Fide Long-Term
Injury/Illness Except ion, the unfit-to-play Player that the Club
replaces shall be placed on the Long-Term Injury/Illness Except ion
List, and is required to remain on such list unt il twent y-four (24)
calendar days and ten (10) NHL Regular Season games have
elapsed from such Club's schedule –measured from the later of the
date of the Player's becoming unfit to play or the Player's last game
played –even in the event that the Player once again becomes fit to
play earlier than ant icipated, and prior to the elapsing of twent y-
four (24) calendar days and ten (10) NHL Regular Season games;

It's 10 games and 24 days. 10 games will be up after Saturday's game. The Buffalo game is the 10th game. It's already been 24 days.

TreeSapLlama 12-03-2009 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Kovy274Hart (Post 22449935)
Why did it take Sather so freaking long? He's such a fool.

While i won't argue one way or the other regarding him being a fool, there is no benefit to putting a player on LTIR early if you don't need the cap space.

BrooklynRangersFan 12-03-2009 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CanadianJagr (Post 22453557)
While i won't argue one way or the other regarding him being a fool, there is no benefit to putting a player on LTIR early if you don't need the cap space.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you get the total cap space calculated as if you'd placed him on LTIR on the "retroactive to" date and not on the date declared, correct?

satrabyk 12-03-2009 07:06 PM

Why did we not prolong Drury's injury and put him on IR, think of the salary flexebility this would give us.

Khelvan 12-03-2009 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BrooklynRangersFan (Post 22453707)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you get the total cap space calculated as if you'd placed him on LTIR on the "retroactive to" date and not on the date declared, correct?

I believe this is correct, implying that there is absolutely no benefit to putting a player on the IR early.

HamiltonOHL 12-03-2009 07:43 PM

anyone know when Brandon will be making his return to the rangers line up

nyr__1994 12-03-2009 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Khelvan (Post 22455038)
I believe this is correct, implying that there is absolutely no benefit to putting a player on the IR early.

I believe this is correct, the only need to put a player on LTIR is of you need the cap space to replace the injured player. A player on LTIR does not have his cap hit reduced, it only allows the team to exceed the cap due to the injury.

Khelvan 12-03-2009 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by nyr__1994 (Post 22456164)
I believe this is correct, the only need to put a player on LTIR is of you need the cap space to replace the injured player. A player on LTIR does not have his cap hit reduced, it only allows the team to exceed the cap due to the injury.

True, but isn't this the same for the team? That is, if Dubinsky is out for half the season, the team can exceed the cap by half of Dubinsky's cap hit.

Is there some way to interpret the rule to say that the team can only exceed the cap WHILE Dubinsky is out? If so, wouldn't that be a little difficult to manage?

John Torturella 12-03-2009 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by satrabyk (Post 22454038)
Why did we not prolong Drury's injury and put him on IR, think of the salary flexebility this would give us.

What, like a career long injury? Sounds good to me.:laugh:

nyr__1994 12-03-2009 10:46 PM

[QUOTE=Khelvan;22459440]True, but isn't this the same for the team? That is, if Dubinsky is out for half the season, the team can exceed the cap by half of Dubinsky's cap hit.

The team can only exceed the cap while he is on LTIR. Being on LTIR does not take Dubinsky off the cap, so the only reason to place him on LTIR would be if they needed to re-call someone and that recall would put the team over the cap. If the recall does not put the team over the cap, there is no advantage or reason to place the injured player on LTIR.

That is my interpretation anyway.

broadwayblue 12-03-2009 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Kovy274Hart (Post 22449935)
Why did it take Sather so freaking long? He's such a fool. I know this ain't all his fault. Tortorella is the reason we have no fourth line and Brashear. It's sickening.

Sangs wasn't even bad. But this org. is f'in retarded. The couple of days our server (Battle of NY) is down, I can't even blast this incompetence. I bet Slats got the idea from the Rodent. How sad.

Jump to incorrect conclusions much? By waiting they wasted none of the benefit of LTIR, yet took their time to make sure that Dubinsky would in fact be out that long or until they wanted to use additional cap space. Thus the part about it being retroactive. Hardly retarded.

Radek27 12-03-2009 11:05 PM

Cap hell sucks huh Slats :naughty:

SouvenirCity 12-03-2009 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by broadwayblue (Post 22460933)
Jump to incorrect conclusions much? By waiting they wasted none of the benefit of LTIR, yet took their time to make sure that Dubinsky would in fact be out that long or until they wanted to use additional cap space. Thus the part about it being retroactive. Hardly retarded.

Spot on. Putting Dubinsky on the LTIR pre-maturely would have been a nightmare had he come back early. Now Slats can rest easy knowing he can pluck him off under any circumstance, while providing adequate cap flexibility in the coming weeks.

RangerBoy 12-04-2009 05:58 AM

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Rangers, who already were borrowing on next season’s bonus cushion allotment in order to comply with the cap, placed Brandon Dubinsky on LTI retroactive to the Nov. 7 date on which he sustained a broken hand in order to clear space for recall of defenseman Ilkka Heikkinen.

Dubinsky has not started skating but Tortorella said he believes, "that’s around the corner." Dubinsky, who will miss his 10th game tomorrow night, is likely two weeks away from returning.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/range...#ixzz0YijGuOgT

King of cool 12-04-2009 08:02 AM

So if we had placed Dubinsky on LITR between his injury and tuesday we would have been able to send Valiquette to Hartford for conditioning without him passing through waivers, am i right? And now we're almost sure to lose him on re-entry... :shakehead

Bleed Ranger Blue 12-04-2009 08:09 AM

Im not a fan of the man, but what did you expect of Sather? What would be the point of placing Dubinsky's 1.8 million dollar hit on LTIR anytime before? Whats out there?

The answer is Erik Christiansen.

King of cool 12-04-2009 08:16 AM

Placing Dubinsky on IR would have been a precautionary move to avoid that kind of situation. What now if Valliquette is claimed on re-entry waivers, we'll have probably no other choice but to go after a backup on FA or via trade...

Bleed Ranger Blue 12-04-2009 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by #97 (Post 22464687)
Placing Dubinsky on IR would have been a precautionary move to avoid that kind of situation. What now if Valliquette is claimed on re-entry waivers, we'll have probably no other choice but to go after a backup on FA or via trade...

I dont think anybody really cares, to tell you the truth.

Levitate 12-04-2009 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Bleed Ranger Blue (Post 22464764)
I dont think anybody really cares, to tell you the truth.

Either the Rangers don't care or it's not really a big deal to them. I think Valiquette lost Tortorella's confidence

Riche16 12-04-2009 09:57 AM

If they re-call him and another team claims him we're on the hook for half his salary right? (Like Dallas and Avery)

That makes me think he's done for the season.

Then again his cap hit is so small maybe Slats doesn't care. It's like using ur nearly maxed out credit card to buy a pack of gum.

LamoTheKid 12-04-2009 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by satrabyk (Post 22454038)
Why did we not prolong Drury's injury and put him on IR, think of the salary flexebility this would give us.

Because there's no real flexibility considering any salay you fill in has to come off the books when he comes back. Sheesh people, when are we going to stop looking at LTIR as a way to circumvent cap space (like the long term contracts being handed out) and realize there are mechanisms in place to prevent this sort of thing from happening.


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