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RangerBoy 12-06-2009 06:12 AM

Rangers looking shake up the team
 
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The Rangers started off the season strong, but they've looked so-so lately and the indications are Sather wants to ignite the team.

Gaborik and Demitra are best friends and played together in Minnesota. It just so happens that Demitra, who has a cap hit of $4 million US, will be an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season .

"They want to do something," a league executive said. "They are talking to everybody right now."

http://www.torontosun.com/sports/hoc...55606-sun.html

According to Bruce,the Rangers have talked to Van about Pavol Demetria's availability if he returns from his two shoulder surgeries Gaborik and Demetria never really clicked in Minnesota. Sather is talking to everyone.

LeetchisGod 12-06-2009 06:17 AM

I think Demitra is pretty washed up at this point, but I'm fine with bringing him in as long as we don't give up any legitimate prospects.

Claxton 12-06-2009 06:39 AM

Someone tell Sather this team needs a lottery star before he does something stupid like this.

Kotalik, Prospal, Demitra. Patchwork that only increases the result of disappointment at seasons end.

beastly115 12-06-2009 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Claxton (Post 22504087)
Someone tell Sather this team needs a lottery star before he does something stupid like this.

Kotalik, Prospal, Demitra. Patchwork that only increases the result of disappointment at seasons end.

Pretty much.

This team is beyond 1 or 2 holes. We're missing half a ship.

I say ride out the season, sell a couple guys at the deadline, and re-tool in the offseason.

Radek27 12-06-2009 07:50 AM

What do you guys think Demitra would cost in a trade? 2nd or 3rd? Thats the big thing for me if he's UFA.

turcotte8 12-06-2009 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Radek27 (Post 22504255)
What do you guys think Demitra would cost in a trade? 2nd or 3rd? Thats the big thing for me if he's UFA.

Hopefully Rozy straight up. :naughty:

Dagoon44 12-06-2009 08:44 AM

Well guys if the cap hit is 4million someone or a combo of guys would have to be going the other way.

I Am Chariot 12-06-2009 08:48 AM

Demitra is not the answer on Broadway. He'd be be in the same role as Prospal. Play him with Gabby and he'd be good, but anywhere else he'd be meh. Which is what we have now.

I thought Savard would have been a good fit....Sather likely thought so too.

Plan B

What they really need is an upgrade vet experience/muscle on the blueline and young hungry snipers instead of grinders

Lion Hound 12-06-2009 08:58 AM

Well I guess there is definately truth to the Rangers actively shopping for a deal. Evidenced by the broadcast a few games back where Micheletti touched on Sather being on the phones trying to work a deal, but in the cap era it being much tougher to do so etc.

As to whether or not it's Demitra? First thing that came to my mind was oh God no!...Then I thought about it more. This is a Glen Sather type of acquisition. Another reclamation, who is a UFA at years end and so if he doesn't work out...he's not returning. But...he is a possible return for a salary dump. Is this how Glen rids the team of Rozsival and the 5 million dollar madness? If that happens, and if that is the return...Glen wins this one hands down.

Lastly though, how many times is Demitra going to be rumored to NY? This is a re-occuring theme now for the past 10 seasons!

I Am Chariot 12-06-2009 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Lion Hound (Post 22504509)
Is this how Glen rids the team of Rozsival and the 5 million dollar madness? If that happens, and if that is the return...Glen wins this one hands down.

I guess thats true....the more cap room this summer the better

RangerBoy 12-06-2009 09:06 AM

Demetria has to play a game before any team will even consider trading for him. Two shoulder surgeries. Of course,that's if Van wants to trade Demetria. Two-three weeks ago,Garrioch had the Rangers inquiring about the Kostitsyn brothers.

OrbitalDynamics 12-06-2009 09:14 AM

While Sather certainly won't be negotiating from a position of strength, I don't see him getting held up at gun point either.

He's dangerous on July 1st, but pretty shrewd with his horse trading.Let's see what he can come up with.

Loffen 12-06-2009 09:14 AM

Demitra is a bigger risk than Gaborik, injury-wise. He's fragile as ****... If we could get him for cheap I'll take him.

Barnaby 12-06-2009 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by LoFFeN (Post 22504597)
Demitra is a bigger risk than Gaborik, injury-wise. He's fragile as ****... If we could get him for cheap I'll take him.

Get him cheap and/or dump a salary in return... otherwise no thanks...

SingnBluesOnBroadway 12-06-2009 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Chariot (Post 22504460)
Demitra is not the answer on Broadway. He'd be be in the same role as Prospal. Play him with Gabby and he'd be good, but anywhere else he'd be meh. Which is what we have now.

You kind of contradict yourself here.

we want cup 12-06-2009 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SingnBluesOnBroadway (Post 22504844)
You kind of contradict yourself here.

I don't see a contradiction. He said Demitra wasn't the answer BECAUSE he'd only be good with Gaborik. We'd still be a one line team, so he wouldn't solve our biggest problems: secondary scoring and toughness.

trbr86 12-06-2009 10:48 AM

From a Vancouver perspective: I don't think that Demitra would be that expensive to pry away from Vancouver. He's returning to a line-up that already has several younger and more contract friendly players who have shown that they can play at a comparable level.

If the Rangers don't trade salary, he'd be extremely cheap. Probably a middle-round draft pick or half-decent prospect. Vancouver probably values the cap flexibility the most in the deal.

If the Canucks have to acquire salary, they would probably ask for a player that can help them at third/fourth line center.

SingnBluesOnBroadway 12-06-2009 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by we want cup (Post 22505213)
I don't see a contradiction. He said Demitra wasn't the answer BECAUSE he'd only be good with Gaborik. We'd still be a one line team, so he wouldn't solve our biggest problems: secondary scoring and toughness.

Not really, couldn't Prospal move to another line?

RangerBoy 12-06-2009 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by trbr86 (Post 22505290)
From a Vancouver perspective: I don't think that Demitra would be that expensive to pry away from Vancouver. He's returning to a line-up that already has several younger and more contract friendly players who have shown that they can play at a comparable level.

If the Rangers don't trade salary, he'd be extremely cheap. Probably a middle-round draft pick or half-decent prospect. Vancouver probably values the cap flexibility the most in the deal.

If the Canucks have to acquire salary, they would probably ask for a player that can help them at third/fourth line center.

The Rangers need to send salary back in any deal bringing in salary.

Jaromir Jagr 12-06-2009 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SingnBluesOnBroadway (Post 22505336)
Not really, couldn't Prospal move to another line?

The feel around here is that Prospal is only good with Gaborik, which, I personally feel, is near 80% true..

we want cup 12-06-2009 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by SingnBluesOnBroadway (Post 22505336)
Not really, couldn't Prospal move to another line?

Assuming Demitra came, meshed well again with Gabs, and stayed healthy, that would probably be explored. IMO, however, that wouldn't do anything unless our secondary scorers elevated their play. If they did that, though, they wouldn't need Prospal to move down a line, and acquiring Demitra would just end up being redundant and a waste.

Jonathan. 12-06-2009 11:10 AM

I'd move a contract, a B level prospect, and a lower pick (3rd round maybe?) for Demitra.

Jaromir Jagr 12-06-2009 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by we want cup (Post 22505496)
Assuming Demitra came, meshed well again with Gabs, and stayed healthy, that would probably be explored. IMO, however, that wouldn't do anything unless our secondary scorers elevated their play. If they did that, though, they wouldn't need Prospal to move down a line, and acquiring Demitra would just end up being redundant and a waste.

Actually, come to think of it, with Tortorella's quite annoying line movements and decisions, Prospal would just go on the left wing of that line. He seems intent on keeping those two together.

SingnBluesOnBroadway 12-06-2009 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by we want cup (Post 22505496)
Assuming Demitra came, meshed well again with Gabs, and stayed healthy, that would probably be explored. IMO, however, that wouldn't do anything unless our secondary scorers elevated their play. If they did that, though, they wouldn't need Prospal to move down a line, and acquiring Demitra would just end up being redundant and a waste.

He's assuming he would play well with Gaborik.

If Demitra plays well with Gaborik, doesn't that imply there will be secondary scoring?

Jaromir Jagr 12-06-2009 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan. (Post 22505506)
I'd move a contract, a B level prospect, and a lower pick (3rd round maybe?) for Demitra.

Oh, you would?

Don't think that's a bit much do you? You realize this is Pavol Demitra?


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