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skipole 12-08-2009 06:19 AM

...SECOND Best Player of All Time...
 
Almost everyone would agree that Gretzky is the best of all time... who, in your view, is the second best player to ever lace up a pair of skates?

Washington Capitals 12-08-2009 06:26 AM

Wayne Gretzky.

skipole 12-08-2009 06:26 AM

FYI...

Howe: 4 Cups, 6 Art Ross, 6 Hart, 1 Lester, 1850 points

Orr: 2 Cups, 2 Art Ross, 3 Hart, 8 Norris, 1 Calder, 2 Conn Smythe, 1 Lester, 915 points

skipole 12-08-2009 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBloodyBeast (Post 22536261)
Wayne Gretzky.

If you're being sarcastic, then... :laugh:

If you're being serious, then... :laugh:

(but um, if you are serious, who is #1?)

Washington Capitals 12-08-2009 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skipole (Post 22536268)
If you're being sarcastic, then... :laugh:

If you're being serious, then... :laugh:

(but um, if you are serious, who is #1?)

Bobby Orr.

LeMAD 12-08-2009 06:31 AM

Orr/Gretzky can both be considered #1. Lemieux is the clear #3. And the rest is debatable. (I think there are bettre players than Howe at #4, even though the length of his career is phenomenal.)

Paranoid Android 12-08-2009 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skipole (Post 22536264)
FYI...

Howe: 4 Cups, 6 Art Ross, 6 Hart, 1 Lester, 1850 points

Orr: 2 Cups, 2 Art Ross, 3 Hart, 8 Norris, 1 Calder, 2 Conn Smythe, 1 Lester, 915 points

*note: The Conn Smythe trophy was not in existence until after Howe won his cups.

DOOMGUY* 12-08-2009 06:38 AM

Gretzky, Orr is #1.

skipole 12-08-2009 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBloodyBeast (Post 22536272)
Bobby Orr.

I think the sheer magnitude of Gretzky's numbers overshadows Orr's achievements. But I agree that a case could definitely be made for Orr at #1.

JaymzB 12-08-2009 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeMAD (Post 22536279)
Orr/Gretzky can both be considered #1. Lemieux is the clear #3. And the rest is debatable. (I think there are bettre players than Howe at #4, even though the length of his career is phenomenal.)

Lemieux isn't the clear #3, I'd say Howe is. In fact, I think Howe is closer to Orr/Wayne than he is to Lemieux. Howe doesn't just have unbelievable longevity, he had a remarkable peak as well.

Reds4Life 12-08-2009 06:45 AM

wow that is a pretty bad list. Sawchuk and Lafleur are the worst.

skipole 12-08-2009 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reds4Life (Post 22536325)
wow that is a pretty bad list. Sawchuk and Lafleur are the worst.

Who would you have ahead of them? Who's going to vote for anything other than Orr/Howe anyway?

tony d 12-08-2009 07:05 AM

Bobby Orr.

pappyline 12-08-2009 07:12 AM

Won't bother voting since I have it Orr/Lemieux

Reds4Life 12-08-2009 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skipole (Post 22536358)
Who would you have ahead of them? Who's going to vote for anything other than Orr/Howe anyway?

So why did you even put them on the list?

skipole 12-08-2009 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reds4Life (Post 22536489)
So why did you even put them on the list?

Who cares what the poll options are if you're not going to vote for them? Seriously, if you don't see the player you would put at #2, vote "other" and specify. Not a challenging concept and no need to criticize the poll options really.

Back to the topic.... Looking like a landslide for Bobby Orr...

Dark Shadows 12-08-2009 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skipole (Post 22536304)
I think the sheer magnitude of Gretzky's numbers overshadows Orr's achievements. But I agree that a case could definitely be made for Orr at #1.

It depends completely on the voting criteria.

Who was the best at their best, or who had the best career? etc

BostonAJ 12-08-2009 08:52 AM

#99 is #2 (that is not a poop joke). What Orr did as a defenseman is insane.

Jeffler 12-08-2009 08:56 AM

Orr. Gretzky at 3, Lemieux at 1.

Neely2005 12-08-2009 09:05 AM

Gretzky is the Second Best Player of All Time.

Hawkey Town 18 12-08-2009 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Shadows (Post 22536956)
It depends completely on the voting criteria.

Who was the best at their best, or who had the best career? etc

This is a good explanation of why Gretzky is #1 overall...he is in the top 1 or 2 for either of these criteria. I don't think that can be said of the others.


Career: My top 2, not in order, would be Gretzky and Howe

At their best: My top 2, not in order, would be Gretzky and Orr

rebel diamond 12-08-2009 10:00 AM

#2:
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBloodyBeast (Post 22536261)
Wayne Gretzky.

#1:
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBloodyBeast (Post 22536272)
Bobby Orr.

:nod:

loadie 12-08-2009 10:05 AM

Was there a poll for number one, or did the Op just select Gretzky as the number one? I would pick Orr as the number one personally.

maxdanno115 12-08-2009 10:54 AM

Robert Gordon Orr is number one so wayne gretzky is second for me

popculturereference 12-08-2009 11:10 AM

1a. Gretzky, Wayne
1b. Howe, Gordie
1c. Orr, Bobby
4. Lemieux, Mario
5. Richard, Maurice
6. Harvey, Doug
7. Sawchuk, Terry
8. Lafleur, Guy

Using the list above.


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