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mt-svk 12-15-2009 03:14 AM

Halák
 
Steve Mason plays bad, Garon`s achievments are similar. What do you think did should we try to get Halák?

jore 12-15-2009 04:34 AM

No.

Getting a new goalie wouldn't help the problems with the tactics & effort of 18 other players & coaching staff.

mt-svk 12-15-2009 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jore (Post 22665893)
No.

Getting a new goalie wouldn't help the problems with the tactics & effort of 18 other players & coaching staff.

Sorry, but Steves stats are terrible and I think it must be all changes. Not only couch.

mt-svk 12-15-2009 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jore (Post 22665893)
No.

Getting a new goalie wouldn't help the problems with the tactics & effort of 18 other players & coaching staff.

Sorry, but Steves stats are terrible and I think it must be all changes. Not only couch. Steve is a very good goalkeeper but this year is not his year.

Fro 12-15-2009 07:51 AM

i said to a buddy that if we want to shake up the place, send mason to philly for jeff carter, then sign fernandez and figure out the goalie situation next year...go with Garon and Fernandez for the rest of the year....but that will add 4m to the team and OMG if we add a $ or two...

frito 12-15-2009 08:34 AM

Two words, Carey Price.

And for those of you who may need clarification, look at him last year and now this year. We do not need to replace Mason, maybe play Garon a little more so he keeps his edge.

CapnCornelius 12-15-2009 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by frito (Post 22666881)
Two words, Carey Price.

And for those of you who may need clarification, look at him last year and now this year. We do not need to replace Mason, maybe play Garon a little more so he keeps his edge.

Bingo!

Make Mason compete for time with Garon. Why is it that Hitchcock is willing to move Brassard to the fourth line, but scared to death to sit Mason for an extra game now and then?

mt-svk 12-15-2009 09:21 AM

I do not want trade Steve I would want so that our goalgeepers were Mason with Halák.

Pata93 12-15-2009 09:40 AM

Mason needs a veteran backup, not another young goalie who is trying to become a #1 goalkeeper.

However, I think we could use one of Montreal's defenseman.

With the upcoming return of Markov, the Canadien might be willing to move Roman Hamrlik. They need a top-6 foward.


Huselius for Hamrlik.

OnYourIgnoreList 12-15-2009 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by mt-svk (Post 22666194)
Sorry, but Steves stats are terrible and I think it must be all changes. Not only couch.

I think virtually all of Mason's problems are due to the defense in front of him. He was having problems with rebound control earlier in the year, but over the course of the past few games, that's gotten much better and I think he may have worked that out. Other things I've noticed are:

1. He's coming out too far to challenge, even when play is reasonably close to the net. I think this has to do with the fact that he feels he can't rely on the D in front of him to harass incoming players, so he comes out in an attempt to stuff angles and possibly poke check, etc the puck-possessing player.

2. Once he gives up a rebound, the fact that he's come out so far means he's often out of position to defend and odd-angle shot on the rebound. That's partially his fault for being so far out of net, but it's the defense's responsibility to gather the rebound and turn up ice, or at least punch it into a corner and out of immediate danger.

I think these are the two reasons that behind-the-net is giving us such a problem. What seems to happen is that play goes back behind him and he moves to cover one side of the net or the other, but he covers it so tightly - almost the extent that he's not in the frame of the net but is actually sort of corner to the net and looking back - when the puck squirts up front, he has almost no chance to slide and cover because he's left so much open.

If he could trust the D to keep the puck in check and give him support, I think he'd be OK.

I wouldn't trade him at this point for anything he's likely to command in return. Unless he gets us a true first line proven NHL center or a true two way defenseman, the return is too low. You can't deal away a player just because of one bad season, especially when his poor play is likely to be a result of poor play around him.

KeithBWhittington 12-15-2009 10:39 AM

The sooner everyone accepts last year was an abhoration for Mason's pro career, the better off we will all be...


This guy isn't the next Roy folks.

Ludicrous Speed 12-15-2009 11:32 AM

Mason has played pretty well the past 3 or 4 games IMO. I think he's starting to pick it up, it's the rest of the team I'm worried about.

EDIT: also, I have not heard any "rumors" about Halak to the Jackets...

Timeless Winter 12-15-2009 11:40 AM

I like Halak, he's a great goalie, but Montreal knows this and they're asking alot for him.

Fro 12-15-2009 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Skraut (Post 22668518)
Only if he comes with Ryder and a 2nd

(or is that still a infractionary offense around here)

always makes me laugh that one... :laugh:

Monk 12-15-2009 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Ludicrous Speed (Post 22669138)
Mason has played pretty well the past 3 or 4 games IMO. I think he's starting to pick it up, it's the rest of the team I'm worried about.

EDIT: also, I have not heard any "rumors" about Halak to the Jackets...

I admit I didn't watch much of the game last night, but I thought he was pretty iffy.

I think he's just slow moving side to side, or something.

Ludicrous Speed 12-15-2009 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Monk (Post 22669477)
I admit I didn't watch much of the game last night, but I thought he was pretty iffy.

I think he's just slow moving side to side, or something.

I thought the only soft goal he gave up was on Sullivan's hatty goal. The rest were all directly related to not being able to clear and leaving him hangin.

Monk 12-15-2009 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ludicrous Speed (Post 22669538)
I thought the only soft goal he gave up was on Sullivan's hatty goal. The rest were all directly related to not being able to clear and leaving him hangin.

Ah, that's one of the few goals I saw.

Doug19 12-15-2009 12:30 PM

This is laughable. The defense should be canned before Mason. I thought it was obvious that the players in front of him sucked this year...guess not. Bring in some competent defenders and Mason will put up a lot better numbers. Lets not even mention the fact that Mason has been a lot better recently than he was at the start of the season.

CapnCornelius 12-15-2009 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ludicrous Speed (Post 22669538)
I thought the only soft goal he gave up was on Sullivan's hatty goal. The rest were all directly related to not being able to clear and leaving him hangin.

The first goal was pathetic. Mason was on his knees already as the Preds brought it into the zone. What a shock when the shot went in over his shoulder.

Again, though, I don't think Mason is the biggest problem on this team. Garon hasn't done all that much better. I think the only thing making his stats appear better is that he hasn't been in as many games generally and thus has missed his share of games when the team totally takes the night off.

Ludicrous Speed 12-15-2009 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CapnCornelius (Post 22670869)
The first goal was pathetic. Mason was on his knees already as the Preds brought it into the zone. What a shock when the shot went in over his shoulder.

Again, though, I don't think Mason is the biggest problem on this team. Garon hasn't done all that much better. I think the only thing making his stats appear better is that he hasn't been in as many games generally and thus has missed his share of games when the team totally takes the night off.

you mean the goal where Juice lost the puck trying to skate it out and then Methot wussed out trying to block the shot?

yeah, that was all Mase.

CBJBrassard16 12-15-2009 02:35 PM

No, We don't need anouther goalie

Is it just me or is Mason making all the saves I expect him too now? I mean, I can't fault him to much for the D's giveaways. But he makes the saves I expect him to

OnYourIgnoreList 12-15-2009 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CBJBrassard16 (Post 22672694)
But he makes the saves I expect him to

And a few you don't, probably. There was a sequence last night where he stopped a point-blank skate-in-and-shoot opportunity, then another on a rebound THEN ANOTHER.

Back-to-back-to-back unimpeded goal drives by Preds, not a defenseman in sight. By rights, he could have given up either of the last two and it wouldn't have been his fault.

CapnCornelius 12-15-2009 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ludicrous Speed (Post 22671378)
you mean the goal where Juice lost the puck trying to skate it out and then Methot wussed out trying to block the shot?

yeah, that was all Mase.

By that standard none of our goals the team's goals are his fault. :shakehead

Ludicrous Speed 12-15-2009 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CapnCornelius (Post 22673395)
By that standard none of our goals the team's goals are his fault. :shakehead

compromise: the whole team sucks.


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