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Peter Sidorkiewicz 12-29-2009 03:19 AM

Kovalchuk Contract
 
Assuming 10 year period is fixed what is the maximum amount per year would you pay Ilya.

FrenchKheldar 12-29-2009 03:26 AM

8M$ for 10 years. By the way, it will be interesting to see if Kovalchuk becomes the first UFA to be signed to a very long contract. All the previous monster contract (Yashin, DiPietro, Ovechkin, Crosby, etc...) have been with players already with their team, which makes sense. You want to know who you're in bed with before signing a contract !

Peter Sidorkiewicz 12-29-2009 03:38 AM

I don't have a problem giving him $10 million or whatever he is asking even if it does seem to be overpaying comparing to other stars of this league.

Every team as a few players that are overpaid by a million or two. I say I rather have one of those 'overpaid' players as the best player in the team rather than a goalie who can't get on the ice or top 6 winger or defenseman that isn't producing.

Also if it means that the team will have to get rid of the internal cap then it shows me that ownership are serious about playoff ambitions. The NHL has a salary cap to restrict team spending, I don't understand why Thrashers need to further restrict themselves compared to the other 29 teams in the league. I know that currently the Thrashers are making a loss due to poor attendance and season ticket sales but I am pretty sure the Atlanta Spirit Group is making a profit through it ownership of Philips Arena which more than offsets any loss the Thrashers are currently making.

DungeonK 12-29-2009 06:57 AM

9.5 a season

Boognish 12-29-2009 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by FrenchKheldar (Post 22889907)
8M$ for 10 years. By the way, it will be interesting to see if Kovalchuk becomes the first UFA to be signed to a very long contract. All the previous monster contract (Yashin, DiPietro, Ovechkin, Crosby, etc...) have been with players already with their team, which makes sense. You want to know who you're in bed with before signing a contract !

Hossa signed a 12-year deal with the Blackhawks worth $62.8 million as a UFA.

Capa* 12-29-2009 08:33 AM

I can see Kovalchuk getting a 100million dollar contract.. 10 for 10...and i would have no problem with that. People on these boards seem to think we cant build a team with him making 10 or 11 per year, but look at Washington (or SJ...etc.) who is one of the best teams in the league with AO making 9 per and a ton of overpayed players. As long as we are smart but not necessarily too cheap either we will be fine. Overactions by so many of you:shakehead

AtlantaWhaler 12-29-2009 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by McNulty (Post 22890809)
Overactions by so many of you:shakehead

Look out!! On the second post...calling us out!

There's a new sheriff in town! :golfnana:

Capa* 12-29-2009 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by AtlantaWhaler (Post 22890832)
Look out!! On the second post...calling us out!

There's a new sheriff in town! :golfnana:

lol, whatever kid. You've been here since 2009? Ive been visiting these boards since 2004...

DungeonK 12-29-2009 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by McNulty (Post 22890809)
I can see Kovalchuk getting a 100million dollar contract.. 10 for 10...and i would have no problem with that. People on these boards seem to think we cant build a team with him making 10 or 11 per year, but look at Washington (or SJ...etc.) who is one of the best teams in the league with AO making 9 per and a ton of overpayed players. As long as we are smart but not necessarily too cheap either we will be fine. Overactions by so many of you:shakehead

No, 10 or 11 million on one player is a big deal for us even if it isn't for SJ or WAS. Their models don't work for our team because ownership has to keep spending 8 million or so under the cap because our team isn't profitable. When your team's mandated cap is below the actual cap, all the sudden Ron Hainsey's extra 1.5 million or so onto what he's worth becomes magnified.

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Originally Posted by McNulty (Post 22891287)
lol, whatever kid. You've been here since 2009? Ive been visiting these boards since 2004...

Nobody calls out the McNulty. Nobody.

pfloyd75 12-29-2009 10:04 AM

I'd give him 10 per. I am hoping that he'll sign for less obviously.

A lot of folks say he's worth 8-9 million but that 10 is crazy. To me, there isn't really a huge difference between the two. I mean is 1-2 million a season on the payroll going to be the difference between a cup contender and a cash-strapped cellar dweller? Besides, with inflation and all 10 million might not be that bad of a deal for Kovalchuk in 5-6 years.

hockey momma 12-29-2009 10:22 AM

9mill

Capa* 12-29-2009 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DungeonK (Post 22891578)

Nobody calls out the McNulty. Nobody.



Respect lol. Good Ol Jimmy.:yo:

localmouse13 12-29-2009 11:33 AM

I'd like to see $9 million at 10 years, but I think he'd have signed already if this were agreeable.

Hopefully, the organ-eye-zation won't sign him to the league max. I can't see how that wouldn't handcuff the team in the future.

FrenchKheldar 12-30-2009 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Boognish (Post 22890437)
Hossa signed a 12-year deal with the Blackhawks worth $62.8 million as a UFA.

Thanks for the reminder. I try my best to forget about Hoss' :) But Kovy is probably too young to have a 10-year, 80 M$ deal, we would have to look into something like 15-year, 120 M$ with about 10-year at 10M$ and decreasing salary then to get the cap impact down. But can the ownership afford to pay somebody 10M$ a year, no matter what the cap issues are? Not many proofs of this on the Thrashers or Hawks roster :(

sparxx87 01-06-2010 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by FrenchKheldar (Post 22906754)
Thanks for the reminder. I try my best to forget about Hoss' :) But Kovy is probably too young to have a 10-year, 80 M$ deal, we would have to look into something like 15-year, 120 M$ with about 10-year at 10M$ and decreasing salary then to get the cap impact down. But can the ownership afford to pay somebody 10M$ a year, no matter what the cap issues are? Not many proofs of this on the Thrashers or Hawks roster :(

kovy is top 3 talent in the world....give him a blank cheque....

the cap is going down next year, so many teams will be very careful on term, only way hes gonna get into 6+ years is in a major market with no money issues (i.e. tor,mtl,nyr,bos,phi) 4 out of those teams lack cap room, and the other one, lacks anything worth while to trade for...

in my opinion, hes going to the salary capless KHL, for 15 million per season, salary paid by some Russian oligarch....

KevFist 01-06-2010 04:58 PM

Still amazes me that we're talking about paying a guy $100 million to play a game when cops in my town only make around $40,000.

The deal is you can't just give Kovy a blank check. It hamstrings the franchise from building and retaining around him. Granted, I'm looking at the difference between 8 million and 10 million. That's one, maybe two players. Still, it's something to think about.

Shameus 01-06-2010 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by oneel (Post 23046428)
Still amazes me that we're talking about paying a guy $100 million to play a game when cops in my town only make around $40,000.

The deal is you can't just give Kovy a blank check. It hamstrings the franchise from building and retaining around him. Granted, I'm looking at the difference between 8 million and 10 million. That's one, maybe two players. Still, it's something to think about.

My wife's a teacher. Every time I tell her about one of these contracts she gets really upset. She usually has some line about the fact that she is teaching America's future and that Police and Fireman protect us and "enter overpaid athlete here" is getting paid what to hit/throw/shoot a puck/ball?

KevFist 01-06-2010 05:13 PM

It also amazes me that we're talking about a $10 million being a big contract. That's miniscule in other sports.

Peter Sidorkiewicz 01-06-2010 05:24 PM

According to the poll, $9 million seems to be Kovalchuk's worth among us Atlanta fan which seems to be 'only' $1million away from what kovalchuk was originally asking. If I was DW/ownership, I would bit my tongue and just sign him for $10 million.

Ilya on the other hand, and after witnessing a 9 game losing streak, 17 including last win in regulation may have a change in heart and that money may not matter anymore.

dj4aces 01-06-2010 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter Sidorkiewicz (Post 23046815)
Ilya on the other hand, and after witnessing a 9 game losing streak, 17 including last win in regulation may have a change in heart and that money may not matter anymore.

Considering Kovalchuk's shoddy play has played a part in quite a few of these losses, I don't think he has any room to talk.

Peter Sidorkiewicz 01-06-2010 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dj4aces (Post 23047972)
Considering Kovalchuk's shoddy play has played a part in quite a few of these losses, I don't think he has any room to talk.

Is his play really been that bad compared to his entire career? Kovy is still killing it offensively, he has just fallen back into bad habits defensively again which is disappointing but not a huge surprise for me given he was never that good to begin with.

John Cena* 01-06-2010 07:46 PM

Lol at being surprised that Kovy doesn't play defense. If that surprises you than i wonder what else surprises you.... I'll take 50 goals every year and walk away the clear cut winner.

Tyskie 01-06-2010 07:55 PM

Hossa really screwed the Thrashers over the summer.Kovalchuk has played with him and knows he is better than Marion. This is what he'll want to base his contract off of.

Hossa got a ridiculous contract, so Kovalchuk has the potential to receive one of the biggest in the league.

Lux Aurumque* 01-06-2010 09:05 PM

I'd give him 8 million per year, and not a penny more.
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Rhodes 81 01-06-2010 09:24 PM

9. any more and there just aren't enough ways to clear salary in order to keep our younger players


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