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RangerBoy 01-02-2010 11:57 AM

Torts says Ranger players are treated too good by organization
 
John Tortorella spoke to the media this morning

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He was also asked about how convenient the organization makes it on the team.

“Sometimes too good,” he said. “That’s part of the problem. Sometimes too good. That’s something in the short time I’ve been here … I think we take too good care of them sometimes. I’ll leave it at that.

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“We’re changing our travel into the Island and Jersey, where it’s not going to be 10 freakin’ limos flying in from all over the place and coming in for a morning skate. We’re leaving the night before the game, on a bus, and going as a team to New Jersey and to the Island from now on. There are so many different things that come into play with people spread out all over the city and Westchester County, that I’m just beginning to understand and trying to get a better handle on it to be more team-conducive in the travel that we have here.”
http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2010/0...ning-from-msg/

The Ranger players are spoiled.

25 guys 25 players. Baseball reference to teams which are not together go their own separate ways after the game is over.

10 freakin limos:shakehead

Levitate 01-02-2010 11:59 AM

should make them get out and push the bus like the Penguins had to do in Buffalo

MPJohnny5 01-02-2010 12:01 PM

Unreal! Its starting to come out now what really goes on behind the scenes. And is Torts hinting at something here, sure sounds like itt :handclap:

Maineice11 01-02-2010 12:07 PM

good...it is time to get these players out of their luxury and into reality...i like how that sounds...good job torts!!!!

broadwayblue 01-02-2010 12:08 PM

He's been claiming this since he was hired. Haven't seen him make any changes yet despite all his talk.

Kind of Blue 01-02-2010 12:09 PM

When times get tough, you can always count on John Tortorella to come up with an answer that has nothing to do with hockey and points the finger at his players.

I'm pretty sure the Rangers travel arrangements were the same while we were making the playoffs four years in a row before he showed up.

This is the kind of petty b.s. that players hate and makes them not want to play for a coach like this.

MPJohnny5 01-02-2010 12:15 PM

This petty B.S as you call it, is sometimes the difference between losers and champions. And people like you are the exact reason Torts is saying what he is saying about the fans.

Kind of Blue 01-02-2010 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SRT4Johnny (Post 22961976)
This petty B.S as you call it, is sometimes the difference between losers and champions. And people like you are the exact reason Torts is saying what he is saying about the fans.

Going in separate cars or going on a bus to an arena that's 30 minutes away? Yeah, that's why we're not winning. There's already a legitimate question as to whether he's lost the players due to their effort level, and now he's treating them like they're children, which isn't going to help any.

EDIT: Oh, and another thing that players hate and isn't going to help any... stop publicly embarrassing the players, you idiot. You want to change the travel arrangements, then do it, you don't have to tell the media. He is pathetic.

Sayba 01-02-2010 12:19 PM

a few guys on this team should be driving buses for a living not playing hockey.

Fitzy 01-02-2010 12:19 PM

No real comment on this. How you act off the ice really shouldn't have a huge impact on your teams performance on the ice. Not really buying this as anything but a publicity stunt.

GothamRanger 01-02-2010 12:20 PM

Isn't that what the morning skate is for? To have all the players circle up? It's not like they are doing this when they visit Edmonton. I am sure the headaches caused by trying to round everyone to the same bus at MSG the night before a game at NJ or LI is going to outweigh the benefit of the increased "team comraderie". In any case, wouldn't everyone need to take 10 limos to said bus anyways?

As said earlier, this has been the NYR m.o. for years, I am sure this does not contribute to the teams success on way or the other.

Choice 01-02-2010 12:20 PM

It's a fine line. Choicer accomadations and perks could help the team acquire UFAs in a capped league.

Maineice11 01-02-2010 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Kind of Blue (Post 22962001)
Going in separate cars or going on a bus to an arena that's 30 minutes away? Yeah, that's why we're not winning. There's already a legitimate question as to whether he's lost the players, and now he's treating them like they're children, which isn't going to help any.

well they seem to be acting like children, they are professional athletes and for them to not show effort in a game, especially in division rivalry games!!!! So now we know why, they should travel as a team and spend the night together as a team because that is how you become closer as a team!

you're right they are being treated like children, but it is needed with this squad.

Vidic15 01-02-2010 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Kind of Blue (Post 22961903)
When times get tough, you can always count on John Tortorella to come up with an answer that has nothing to do with hockey and points the finger at his players.

I'm pretty sure the Rangers travel arrangements were the same while we were making the playoffs four years in a row before he showed up.

This is the kind of petty b.s. that players hate and makes them not want to play for a coach like this.

Players will hate Torts because he won't let them take a limo? I want those players off this team, immediately! Torts is a blue collar guy and he's whipping these elitist ***** into shape. Keep it going Torts, teach these cupcakes what an honest day's work is like.

broadwayblue 01-02-2010 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Choice (Post 22962027)
It's a fine line. Choicer accomadations and perks could help the team acquire UFAs in a capped league.

Well the players have already said the Rangers treat their players the best. "They have the nicest plane, and the nicest food on the plane."

OrbitalDynamics 01-02-2010 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Kind of Blue
When times get tough, you can always count on John Tortorella to come up with an answer that has nothing to do with hockey and points the finger at his players.

Hockey is a team sport, not 18 guys who happen to be going in the same direction.You arrive and depart as a team, not just have guys randomly showing up or leaving when they feel like it.

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Originally Posted by Kind of Blue
I'm pretty sure the Rangers travel arrangements were the same while we were making the playoffs four years in a row before he showed up.

Who knows, maybe someone at MSG decided a fleet of limos crisscrossing the tri state area was getting a tad expensive.Recession and all, you know.

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Originally Posted by Kind of Blue
This is the kind of petty b.s. that players hate and makes them not want to play for a coach like this.

Okay, so what was the excuse for not want to play for Renney then?

He make them take public transportation or something? Was he too nice? Too understanding?

If the team quits on two coaches in less than a calendar year do we keep firing coaches?

"Oh well, _________ pulled that petty stuff they hate so they've stopped listening."

Really? I'd love to tune out my managers when they spout petty rules and regulations about safety and company policy.

The inmates don't run the asylum here.Ultimately they're employees, nothing more.

Bleed Ranger Blue 01-02-2010 12:28 PM

"Short time I've been here"

Youve been here for almost a year, Torts, and its your job to change this sort of sense of entitlement instead of just complaining about it.

This is something that should be kept in house in the first place as well.

hpNYR 01-02-2010 12:28 PM

This says a lot about identity.

hpNYR 01-02-2010 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bleed Ranger Blue (Post 22962111)
"Short time I've been here"

Youve been here for almost a year, Torts, and its your job to change this sort of sense of entitlement instead of just complaining about it.

This is something that should be kept in house in the first place as well.

Why should it be kept in house? Why protect the players who don't seem to want to work out there?

Kind of Blue 01-02-2010 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by OrbitalDynamics (Post 22962085)
Who knows, maybe someone at MSG decided a fleet of limos crisscrossing the tri state area was getting a tad expensive.Recession and all, you know.

Don't bother trying to get around the fact that its always been done like this before Tortorella and it wasn't a problem.

Blueshirt Special 01-02-2010 12:31 PM

I am totally with Torts on this. You have to change the culture.

I'm not one of those Ranger fans who keeps referring back to Messier, but I will here. It was one of the primary things he changed. He got everyone on the bus as a team. He reminded everyone in the locker room of the great tradition of an Original 6 team. Of the pride that should come with that.

We're all whining about the big contracts, and how we don't see a complete effort every night or even every period from this team, and now we have a coach who points out what he sees as examples of the players being spoiled and we're not onboard with this?

Of course it's the players. They are the ones who have to get it done, and they are the ones who will get the glory.

10 freakin' limos. sheesh

Drive around in a limo all you want on your own time, lord knows you've got the money. But when it's game time, be a team.

bah

haohmaru 01-02-2010 12:31 PM

I can't believe that some of you are ripping Torts for this and siding with the players on taking 25 separate cars/limos to a Devils game. Shouldn't the team be on the, you know, TEAM BUS bonding before the game? No wonder this team doesn't stick up for each other.

Kind of Blue 01-02-2010 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by hpNYR (Post 22962126)
Why should it be kept in house?

There is absolutely no justification whatsoever for Tortorella speaking about this publicly. NONE.

Shadowtron 01-02-2010 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Kind of Blue (Post 22962135)
Don't bother trying to get around the fact that its always been done like this before Tortorella and it wasn't a problem.

Well..the team has made the playoffs 4 times in about 12 years. Trying something new certainly couldn't hurt.

Kind of Blue 01-02-2010 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadowtron (Post 22962169)
Well..the team has made the playoffs 4 times in about 12 years. Trying something new certainly couldn't hurt.

Or 4 in 4, depending on how you want to mold the statistics to your argument.

Last two seasons before Tortorella:

NYR in New Jersey: 4 wins, 2 losses
NYR on Long Island: 4 wins, 2 losses

Torts, find another excuse.


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