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paul-laus 01-22-2010 11:50 PM

Any info at all on Central Hockey League expansion, franchise relocation, health?
 
Anybody know of anything at all on the horizon for the CHL in the off-season?...it seems like getting any info about expansion, relocation, franchise health, etc. is so hard to come by compared to other leagues.

What's going on with the inactive Ice Bats franchise? I remember talk of a move to Beaumont. How about New Mexico or Broomfield either reactivating in their original markets or elsewhere? I'm assuming they're just going to cease to exist and shut down.

Does anyone know of anything at all in terms of Vail Co., Yuma, or Bullhead City and upcoming arena projects? Is it safe to say that all are pipe dreams? How about Reno?

I find it strange that there is just nothing on these boards (or even Into the Boards forums, what foums do CHL fans post on?) ever about the CHL and future movement in terms of anything until after it happens (i.e. Oklahoma City).

I've been hearing that Amarillo is almost certainly gone after this year and other than that info on the league is hard to come by.

It doesn't seem like it was too long ago that the CHL had 22 teams and was gaining strength and now we're down to 15 with some looking like they may fold after this season. The novelty appears to have worn off in some markets and the economy isn't helping. Not looking rosy at all for a league that at one point had better attendance and more stable markets than the ECHL.

desert dawg 01-23-2010 10:31 AM

Yuma
 
I can only comment on the Yuma situation, and to the fact that voters turned down plans to build an arena similar to the Sundogs facility-so I assume that is a dead issue-

adsfan 01-27-2010 07:17 PM

I only rumor that I have heard is the AHL probably moving into OKC for next season. They are supposed to be an Edmonton affiliate. This will take away the city that I most associate with the CHL.

Kiddington 01-27-2010 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by paul-laus (Post 23361142)
How about Reno?

No. Not going to happen.

This subject was actually just brought up about 2-3 weeks ago (regarding a CHL team here), and the news wan't good. To build an arena, it would have to come solely from a private investor. Both the cities of Reno and Sparks, as well as any form of state government, don't want anything to do with using state or federal funds towards the project.

Unless one of the large casino chains (Peppermill, etc.) in the area wants to fund the project, or somebody else with a lot of money comes along, there won't be any movement towards getting a hockey team, because there is no arena to put it in. The current multi-purpose arena's already built in Reno (Lawlor, REC) can't properly house an ice surface, from what I understand, and the Convention Center (which can, and is also where our last minor-pro team played, from 1995-98) doesn't want to permanently host a hockey franchise.

To be honest, even if the arena is built, I can't see any kind of hockey franchise surviving more than a season or two. I live in Reno, obviously, and I can tell you from experience; this isn't a hockey town, at all. There would be virtually no support, especially in a league as far down the ladder as the CHL.

HockeyFan4Life 01-28-2010 04:54 PM

I doubt you will see any expansion with the CHL next season.

paul-laus 04-25-2010 05:56 PM

Does anyone know of any news at all on Amarillo or Broomfield/Rio Rancho?

SeaToby 05-12-2010 11:42 AM

Randy Sanders, the majority owner of the Amarillo Gorillas is looking at possibly shutting down the Gorillas and go with a NAHL club alike the Wichita Falls Wildcats in Amarillo. However, he does own two CHL clubs, Amarillo and the defunct Austin franchises. Nothing final as yet...

While its true there are some weak teams in the CHL, Amarillo being one, a winning season would draw more fans and change their situations.

HansH 05-12-2010 08:52 PM

There's also the still-unresolved (to my knowledge) situation in Prescott Valley, where the Arizona Sundogs were yanked from their ownership after the season, and (as far as I know) are still being operated by the league itself... I can't imagine that this situation would be allowed to continue into the next regular season, so to me it would seem that it would have to be resolved either by finding new ownership or by shutting the team down, sometime this off-season.

Anyone hearing anything else about that situation?

desert dawg 05-12-2010 09:07 PM

Ouch!!!!
 
Here in Phx all the recent attention has been on the Coyotes situation, have not heard anything about the Sundogs possibly not playing- cannot imagine losing the Rrunners, Yotes, and Sundogs, but they say everything happens in threes!!!!

paul-laus 05-14-2010 04:56 PM

Not as though many people thought that it was a remote possibility, but it appears that Rio Rancho will not be reactivating their dormant franchise at least at the Santa Ana Arena as an NAHL franchise is being brought in as the anchor tenant for next year.

I remember reading an article earlier this year in which the arena management of the newly renamed 1st Bank Center were talking about how they wanted the Central Hockey League back in Broomfield to fill up dates and create revenue for the often empty arena that has hosted the Ultimate Fighting Championships twice in two years. Do they have an AFL2 team to augment the arena? Anyone know what's going on there?

Lastly, when reflecting on Amarillo and past Central Hockey League markets going the NAHL route, I had almost completely forgotten that Topeka had a "one and done" experience in the Central Hockey League not too long ago. The Tarantulas. Did they play out of the current Scarecrows' rink? That might be one jersey harder to find than the San Francisco Spiders.

hockeyd 05-20-2010 03:18 PM

http://centralhockeyleague.com/press...rticle_id=4656

Amarillo is done with in the CHL.

sbkbghockey 05-22-2010 05:34 PM

Corpus Christi IceRayz will move to the NAHL Jr. A.

http://www.caller.com/news/2010/may/...set-move-nahl/

bmichel5581 05-27-2010 09:44 AM

Bloomington Prairie Thunder moving to CHL?

http://wjbc.com/TabId/7865/default.aspx?AID=16164

sbkbghockey 05-27-2010 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bmichel5581 (Post 26020528)
Bloomington Prairie Thunder moving to CHL?

http://wjbc.com/TabId/7865/default.aspx?AID=16164

Guess they'll become the new Youngstown! :-P
i.e. like i predicted then-future folding failure.

Bloomington is 6 hours outside of the closest CHL teams in Southhaven MS, and Independence MO. Compared to ECHL- under 5 hours to Toledo, 4 hrs from Cincinnati and Kalamazoo.

SeaToby 05-28-2010 10:34 PM

Talk today the last Friday in May suggest by the end of the first week of June the IHL may merge with the CHL, at least in some fashion as their are different league rules to work out. With Amarillo and Corpus Christi welcoming the NAHL, most of the weak teams have folded, although we are waiting on the situation with the Arizona Sundogs which the CHL is attempting to sale...

Broomfield has converted its arena to concerts and probably won't be resurrected. Rio Rancho is also welcoming the NAHL. Beaumont has a fairly new arena, but its ECHL franchise folded with a winning season.

There is talk with the IHL-CHL merger an expansion club may move into Saint Charles's arena, while I haven't given up with Des Moines. With the Quad Cities in the IHL-CHL picture, Des Moines may be a good location for a AA club. All the cities further north of Independence have USHL teams it seems. The CHL has been avoiding those areas in the past. There might be some movement to place a club in Evansville..

Even the AHL is being hurt by the recession, a few clubs not drawing well. I don't see how Lowell and Worchester survive... I believe they are both too close to Boston.

sbkbghockey 05-29-2010 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SeaToby (Post 26042705)
Talk today the last Friday in May suggest by the end of the first week of June the IHL may merge with the CHL, at least in some fashion as their are different league rules to work out. With Amarillo and Corpus Christi welcoming the NAHL, most of the weak teams have folded, although we are waiting on the situation with the Arizona Sundogs which the CHL is attempting to sale...

Broomfield has converted its arena to concerts and probably won't be resurrected. Rio Rancho is also welcoming the NAHL. Beaumont has a fairly new arena, but its ECHL franchise folded with a winning season.

There is talk with the IHL-CHL merger an expansion club may move into Saint Charles's arena, while I haven't given up with Des Moines. With the Quad Cities in the IHL-CHL picture, Des Moines may be a good location for a AA club. All the cities further north of Independence have USHL teams it seems. The CHL has been avoiding those areas in the past. There might be some movement to place a club in Evansville..

Even the AHL is being hurt by the recession, a few clubs not drawing well. I don't see how Lowell and Worchester survive... I believe they are both too close to Boston.

Des Moines has the Des Moines Buccaneers in the USHL, I don't think the CHL would do well there.

Has Evansville started building their arena yet? The AAHL team was going to be an IHL expansion team after its built.

I haven't heard of a CHL or IHL team coming back to St. Charles in a few years now, I know the latest is Lindenwood Univ. is looking into aquiring the Family Arena. The county wants to sell it or trade it to the university but recently talks were halted by LU's Board. My guess is they will in time once the university is approved into NCAA DII and longterm plans to move to DI.

GarbageGoal 05-29-2010 03:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SeaToby (Post 26042705)
Even the AHL is being hurt by the recession, a few clubs not drawing well. I don't see how Lowell and Worchester survive... I believe they are both too close to Boston.

It's Worcester.

SeaToby 06-10-2010 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GarbageGoal (Post 26044478)
It's Worcester.

Sorry, got it, and thanks...

paul-laus 02-06-2012 11:05 PM

Any ideas at all? It looks increasingly likely that a few teams like Ft. Wayne and Evansville will be going to the ECHL next year. The owner in Bloomington has suggested that there will be hockey of some kind next year at US Bank Colliseum whether it be Central Hockey League or ECHL. And the CHL is suggesting that the folding of Quad Cities is by no means imminent (damage control already?). It seems almost certain that Dayton will be done after this year but other than that, anything goes. Wasn't there talk last year of the Rocky Mountain Rage franchise in Bloomfield Co. returning? Anything?

SFTC Addict 02-07-2012 07:54 AM

A lot of hear say.

But I have suspicions of 5 teams for sure being gone, possibly a 6th going to NAHL

Quad City-folding
Dayton-folding
Bloomington-folding
Fort Wayne-ECHL
Evansville-ECHL

Could see maybe the Rush go ECHL?

NorthStar 02-07-2012 05:05 PM

Then that would mean the end of the Central Hockey League somehow? I wonder about that...

DelpoRafaKilla 02-07-2012 08:05 PM

I'll be really disappointed if the Allen Americans end with the potential demise of the CHL.

BobbyNystromOwnsYou* 02-10-2012 08:15 AM

Lots of SPHL fans are hoping the Texas teams will move to the SPHL and also Bossier City Shreveport would come to us. We could have 2 divisions or confrences.

paul-laus 05-18-2012 02:42 AM

what a complete and utter joke the CHL is. It's laughable what this league has become. Whatever happened to the former Missouri River Otters market everyone has been talking about? 11 teams and uneven conferences. Fantastic.

No Fun Shogun 05-18-2012 07:19 AM

He's dead, Jim.


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