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RE-HABS 02-24-2010 05:20 PM

Rinne's deal sets the bar for Halak?
 
With the Pred's re-signing Rinne to a two year 6.8 million deal, 2.8 million year one and 4 million year two...does that mean we are looking at Halak demanding 3 - 4 million per in a deal?

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=311320

No way Habs can afford two goalies in the 3 million range and both wanting to play.

Ozymandias 02-24-2010 05:22 PM

Nashville is only overpaying to stay on the cap floor next year. Bank on it.

mvp76 02-24-2010 05:24 PM

Halak is a Rfa compared to a Ufa Rinne was set to become..

And wow, I didn't notice how big this guy is.. 6,5!

JHabs 02-24-2010 05:24 PM

I still think Halak will ask for 3-4 million. He could probably get 4-5 on other teams

Iwishihadacup 02-24-2010 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RE-HABS (Post 24095597)
With the Pred's re-signing Rinne to a two year 6.8 million deal, 2.8 million year one and 4 million year two...does that mean we are looking at Halak demanding 3 - 4 million per in a deal?

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=311320

No way Habs can afford two goalies in the 3 million range and both wanting to play.

Well, the habs will trade Halak if he asks that much

Seb 02-24-2010 05:31 PM

I'm a bit too lazy to look by myself, who are the goalies in the league that make around 3-4M$ a year?

PunkinDrublic* 02-24-2010 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yarfangor (Post 24095677)
I still think Halak will ask for 3-4 million. He could probably get 4-5 on other teams


What else to add, besides :laugh:

Halak 4-5 million ! :laugh:

katatoniak 02-24-2010 05:38 PM

Lehtonen at 3 millions
Cam Ward is at 3.5 (goes up to 5 next year)
Khabibulin is at 3.75
Dan Ellis is at 2
leclaire is at 3.5
bryzgalov at 4.25
Fleury at 3.5 (5.5 next year)
Chris Mason at 3
Toskala at 4!!

That's about it

Seb 02-24-2010 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by katatoniak (Post 24095941)
Lehtonen at 3 millions
Cam Ward is at 3.5 (goes up to 5 next year)
Khabibulin is at 3.75
Dan Ellis is at 2
leclaire is at 3.5
bryzgalov at 4.25
Fleury at 3.5 (5.5 next year)
Chris Mason at 3
Toskala at 4!!

That's about it

There is no way Halak belongs to that list

Halak at 1.5 is much more realistic

Agnostic 02-24-2010 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozymandias (Post 24095638)
Nashville is only overpaying to stay on the cap floor next year. Bank on it.

This is just crazy.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Soul21Seeker (Post 24095672)
Halak is a Rfa compared to a Ufa Rinne was set to become..

And wow, I didn't notice how big this guy is.. 6,5!

Yes, it seems people don't want to compare apples to apples.
Halak's RFA status ensures that he's under team control for 2 more years. There's no bargaining position for the player , it's simply a balance between what Halak will swallow and what Gauthier thinks is fair. And really the threat of a offer sheet is minimal.

His deal should be considerably less than this.

The intrigue is in the amount that Price will sign for. Because if Halak has poor bargaining position then Price has no bargaining position. If it plays out as it should, and Price is the backup, he shouldn't get much of a raise at all.

All in all the goaltending position should be set for one or 2 years for under $5M, perhaps well under. If it's not then Gauthier didn't play it well.

RE-HABS 02-24-2010 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seb (Post 24095806)
I'm a bit too lazy to look by myself, who are the goalies in the league that make around 3-4M$ a year?

4.25 - 3 million per (highest to lowest)
Bryzgalov, Ilya
Toskala, Vesa00
Leclaire, Pascal
Khabibulin, Nikolai
Rask, Tuukka
Lehtonen, Kari
Mason Chris

Ward is less, but his new deal of 5+ starts next year.

Frozenice 02-24-2010 05:42 PM

A first and a third sounds sweet to me on a contract sheet offer and any less than $3 million is a second round pick which I think Montreal will match instead. It almost forces a team to make a trade if they want Halak.

RE-HABS 02-24-2010 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seb (Post 24095959)
There is no way Halak belongs to that list

Halak at 1.5 is much more realistic

Halak will hold out or go to the KHL for 3 million tax free. He will get 2.5 -3 guaranteed.

RE-HABS 02-24-2010 05:46 PM

[QUOTE=earl the habs fan;24095961]This is just crazy.




Yes, it seems people don't want to compare apples to apples.
Halak's RFA status ensures that he's under team control for 2 more years. There's no bargaining position for the player , it's simply a balance between what Halak will swallow and what Gauthier thinks is fair. And really the threat of a offer sheet is minimal.

His deal should be considerably less than this.

The intrigue is in the amount that Price will sign for. Because if Halak has poor bargaining position then Price has no bargaining position. If it plays out as it should, and Price is the backup, he shouldn't get much of a raise at all.

All in all the goaltending position should be set for one or 2 years for under $5M, perhaps well under. If it's not then Gauthier didn't play it well.[/QUOTE]

Price is entitled to the 10% minimum raise so he is at least 2.5 million per, I can't see Halak getting less than that. All in all it is nice to know that we could have both for 5 combined I don't know if we will see a tandem next season.

GoodKiwi 02-24-2010 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RE-HABS (Post 24096092)
Price is entitled to the 10% minimum raise so he is at least 2.5 million per, I can't see Halak getting less than that. All in all it is nice to know that we could have both for 5 combined I don't know if we will see a tandem next season.

This is wrong. Price's base salary is 850,000 this season, so you have to take it as a base if you're talking about qualifying offer.

Fozz 02-24-2010 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soul21Seeker (Post 24095672)
Halak is a Rfa compared to a Ufa Rinne was set to become..

And wow, I didn't notice how big this guy is.. 6,5!

This...

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodKiwi (Post 24096159)
This is wrong. Price's base salary is 850,000 this season, so you have to take it as a base if you're talking about qualifying offer.

... and this.

Some folks should do their homework before opening threads. Halak will get no where near Rinne's numbers and neither will Price. I think it's a safe bet that the Habs won't spend more than $4M on their goalie tandem next year.

scottyG 02-24-2010 06:58 PM

No way we pay Halak 3 million.

I don't want to start a goalie debate but I think Halak will be traded a la Kessel in july.

shutehinside 02-24-2010 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RE-HABS (Post 24095597)
With the Pred's re-signing Rinne to a two year 6.8 million deal, 2.8 million year one and 4 million year two...does that mean we are looking at Halak demanding 3 - 4 million per in a deal?

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=311320

No way Habs can afford two goalies in the 3 million range and both wanting to play.

If we can have both goalies who are young, quality tenders for a combined $5-6 Million, I'd be happy and think we're in a good situation.

That being said I think both goalies will get around $2-$2.5 Million. It may be more if its a longer term contract that takes away from some UFA years imo.

RoyBoyCoy 02-24-2010 08:53 PM

I'd say 3.8 for Halak
2.4 for Price

Frankenheimer 02-24-2010 09:27 PM

If the plan is to keep both goalies, they will get identical salaries. I would expect they both get 2.5 or so. Not bad a sum to have that type of goaltending. But I don't think this goalie controversy can go on for another year. One of the two goalies should go.

Analyzer* 02-24-2010 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoyBoyCoy (Post 24103653)
I'd say 3.8 for Halak
2.4 for Price

Is that a long term contract ? Other wise, Halak can gtfo and we can get something good.

Sined 02-25-2010 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankenheimer (Post 24105413)
If the plan is to keep both goalies, they will get identical salaries. I would expect they both get 2.5 or so. Not bad a sum to have that type of goaltending. But I don't think this goalie controversy can go on for another year. One of the two goalies should go.

Goalie controversies only bother fans and media. Good goalies use it as motivation.

Bad Natey 02-25-2010 04:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RE-HABS (Post 24096022)
Halak will hold out or go to the KHL for 3 million tax free. He will get 2.5 -3 guaranteed.

I don't understand this.

Halak has never said anything about playing in the KHL and always that his dream was the NHL. He came over to NA to play junior hockey, he paid his dues in the AHL even when many thought he should be in the NHL (even his coach at the time). I believe Halak is NOT going to the KHL and I say that with 100% confidence.

Unless something changes in a major way, Halak will be, at worst the #1A/B to start next season.

bentheprop 02-25-2010 04:55 AM

There is one thing to consider here that worries me and it's that Halak's agent seems like the type that might get his client to sit out and threaten going to the KHL. Sure when he's hitting the media up and trying to get Halak more playing time he's looking out for his client but remember the more Halak signs for the more his agent gets and so far this guy reminds me of some of the jerk agents I see all of the time around the NFL.

Now this is just the impression that the guy has made on me by talking to the media and such but it still makes me think that if Halak is shipped out it could be because his agent is trying for a big payout.

dre2112 02-25-2010 05:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozymandias (Post 24095638)
Nashville is only overpaying to stay on the cap floor next year. Bank on it.

Riiiiiiiiiiiight... seeing as they already have $40M committed to next year, that is absolutely ridiculous assumption.

And there are better ways to reach the cap floor. Instead of overpaying for 1 players, you buy 2 players and fill roster spots instead... just one example.


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