2009 Top 25 Prospects - Redux
Instead of running an entire mid-season prospect poll, I decided to do the annual reposting of the last summers rankings. Don't worry, I'll still be running the 2010 Rankings as always.
So now is the time to discuss: who has moved up? who has moved down? who's still about the same?
Without further adieu: the 2009 Prospect Rankings
Islanders Prospect List
1. John Tavares (F) - Played for London Knights (OHL) - Selected 1st Overall, 2009 NHL Entry Draft
2. Calvin de Haan (D) - Played for Oshawa Generals (OHL) - Selected 12th Overall, 2009 NHL Entry Draft
3. Kirill Petrov (F) - Played for Kazan Ak-Bars (KHL) - Selected 73rd Overall, 2008 NHL Entry Draft
4. Jesse Joensuu (F) - Played for Bridgeport Sound Tigers (AHL) - Selected 60th Overall, 2006 NHL Entry Draft
5. Aaron Ness (D) - Played for University of Minnesota (WCHA) - Selected 40th Overall, 2008 NHL Entry Draft
6. Mikko Koskinen (G) - Played for Blues (FNL) - Selected 31st Overall, 2009 NHL Entry Draft
7. Corey Trivino (F) - Played for Boston University (HE) - Selected 36th Overall, 2008 NHL Entry Draft
8. Travis Hamonic (D) - Played for Moose Jaw Warriors (WHL) - Selected 53rd Overall, 2008 NHL Entry Draft
9. Robin Figren (F) - Played for Djugarden (SEL) - Selected 70th Overall, 2006 NHL Entry Draft
10. Rhett Rakhshani (F) - Played for University of Denver (WCHA) - Selected 100th Overall, 2006 NHL Entry Draft
11. Justin DiBenedetto (F) - Played for Sarnia Sting (OHL) - Selected 175th Overall, 2008 NHL Entry Draft
12. David Ullstrom (F) - Played for HV71 (SEL) - Selected 102nd Overall, 2008 NHL Entry Draft
13. Jack Hillen (D) - Played for New York Islanders (NHL) - Undrafted, Free Agent Signing
14. Matt Martin (F) - Played for Sarnia Sting (OHL) - Selected 148th Overall, 2008 NHL Entry Draft
15. Mark Katic (D) - Played for Sarnia Sting (OHL) - Selected 62nd Overall, 2007 NHL Entry Draft
16. Jason Gregoire (F) - Played for University of North Dakota (WCHA) - Selected 76th Overall, 2007 NHL Entry Draft
17. Casey Cizikas (F) - Played for Mississauga St. Michaels Majors (OHL) - Selected 92nd Overall, 2009 NHL Entry Draft
18. Jyri Niemi (D) - Played for Saskatoon Blades (WHL) - Selected 72nd Overall, 2008 NHL Entry Draft
19. Trevor Smith (F) - Played for Bridgeport Sound Tigers (AHL) - Undrafted, Free Agent Signing
20. Anders Nilsson (G) - Played for Lulea U20 (SuperElite) - Selected 62nd Overall, 2009 NHL Entry Draft
21. Blake Kessel (D) - Played for University of New Hampshire (HE) - Selected 166th Overall, 2007 NHL Entry Draft
22. Andrew MacDonald (D) - Played for Bridgeport Sound Tigers (AHL) - Selected 160th Overall, 2006 NHL Entry Draft
23. David Toews (F) - Played for University of North Dakota (WCHA) - Selected 66th Overall, 2008 NHL Entry Draft
24. Matt Donovan (D) - Played for Cedar Rapids RoughRiders (USHL) - Selected 96th Overall, 2008 NHL Entry Draft
25. Anders Lee (F) - Played for Edina (HS) - Selected 152nd Overall, 2009 NHL Entry Draft
Dustin Kohn (D) - Played for Bridgeport Sound Tigers (AHL) - Selected 46th Overall, 2005 NHL Entry Draft
Kevin Poulin (G) - Played for Victoriaville Tigers (QMJHL) - Selected 126th Overall, 2008 NHL Entry Draft
Anton Klementyev (D) - Played for Lokomotiv Yaroslavl-2 (Rus-3) - Selected 122nd Overall, 2009 NHL Entry Draft
Stefan Ridderwall (G) - Played for Djugarden (SEL) - Selected 173rd Overall, 2006 NHL Entry Draft
Jared Spurgeon (D) - Played for Spokane Chiefs - Selected 156th Overall, 2008 NHL Entry Draft
Prospect (for the purposes of this poll): (1) Must be under 25 years old, (2) Has played 50 career NHL games or less, (3) Has played no more than 41 games in one single NHL season
2008-2009 Graduates: Kyle Okposo (F), Josh Bailey (F), Frans Nielsen (F)
2007-2008 Graduates: Sean Bergenheim (F), Jeff Tambellini (F), Blake Comeau (F)
2006-2007 Graduates: Bruno Gervais (D)
2005-2006 Graduates: Chris Campoli (D), Robert Nilsson (F)
Previous Prospect Polls
2005 Prospect Rankings - Prospects are ranked 1-19 (run by former moderator NYIsles1)
2006 Prospect Rankings - Prospects are ranked 1-20 (run by sketchykg)
2007 Prospect Rankings - Prospects are ranked 1-25
2008 Prospect Rankings - Prospects are ranked 1-25
Hamonic, MacDonald, Hillen and Martin have all definitely moved up.
Travis Hamonic (D)- IMO our best prospect including de Haan, he should be moving up to the top 2. I love this kid, I loved when we drafted him and now his talent is starting to show. In the WJC he showed us all the all around ability that he has and I really believe he will turn into a Shea Weber type.
Matt Donovan (D)- He has really improved and I think he has moved up a good amount of spots, possibly top 10.
Andrew MacDonald (D)- Can he still be considered a prospect? If he can then he moves up ALOT, he has proved that he has NHL abilities and possibly a legit NHL calibur top 4 defenseman and at worst an average top 6 defenseman.
Blake Kessel (D)- having a great year at the University of New Hampshire and has definitly moved up a decent amount.
Matt Martin (F)- He brings everything to the table and I just love this kids game so much that IMO he should be in the top 10
Jack Hillen (D)- Has had a breakout year before his injury. Has great skating and offensive abilities while still having the smarts and positioning in the defensive zone to be effective despite his lack of size.
Aaron Ness (D)- Having a tough year and his development is looking bad. I hope it turns around but right now he is out of the top 10 IMO. With his lack of size, he REALLY needs to work on his defensive zone play.
Mikko Koskinen (G)- not much but he does have to move down due to his injuries.
Corey Trivino (F)- Also struggled this year and his season ending injury all combine to move him down a good amount.
Robin Figren (F)- TERRIBLE year, moves down out of the top 20 IMO. He has been terrible in the AHL and honestly I dont see this kid doing much in his career.
Trevor Smith (F)- I dont even know if we can consider him a prospect. I put him in the same catogory as Bentivoglio. I think the fact he hasnt seen any NHL time this year is very telling.
Move up Ridderwall. Our best prospect in net now, a sleeper maybe?
And a note on Trevor Smith: He just turned 25 two weeks ago, making this his last season of "prospect eligibility." No matter what, he'll be off the list and unable to "graduate."
Maybe you mean Poulin is the best at this point?
One could argue that Kevin Poulin should be on the top 25 along with Kohn (who actually cracked the NHL line up regardless of our dismal D) and possibly Klementyev (Russia world juniors team this year)
GM G A Pts +/- PIM PPG PPA Shg Sha GWG Shts Spct.
Anders Lee* 45 28 24 52 +31 48 2 7 1 0 9 158 .177
Kyle Okposo 50 27 31 58 +28 56 4 10 4 4 8 191 .141
Blake Wheeler58 19 28 47 -7 43 2 8 0 0 3 189 .101
* Has 15 games remaining in regular season.
Currently leads USHL in Goals, and GWG.
On a side note, the incoming recruiting class of 2010 for Notre Dame has been ranked the #1 class for 2010. This class features 7 of the top 50 incoming freshmen for next year.
But I was just stating that those four have DEFINITELY moved up without a doubt.
3. De Haan
11. Rhett Rak
Honorless Mention- Dibo, Smith, Toews, Figren
This is my opinion I have 11 DMen and 4 goalies in the top 25 which leaves only 10 forwards. This team needs a lot of help up front and a potential top pairing Dman or 2 at the draft.
I'm not impressed by having 15-20 marginal-to-good prospects.
I'd rather have ONE great one though. Like the one we'll get with the number 1 pick this year after the lottery !?
Like this list but I would move Lee and Katic up and Trivino down. Also I think Poulin is ahead of Koskinen at this point.
Our best prospects are already on the Island.
not so sure id be so quick to write off Figren. the kid has hustle and great work ethic and has spent a lot of the season stuck on the 4th line between goons.
A true rebuild team often has its best picks in the NHL at a very early age and that is why many of the prospects are marginal at best. If Bailey and Tavares were still in the minors then there grades would be raised a lot.
With regaurds to my list Lee and Poulin are still low on the list simply because they are older then the kids they are playing against basically men among boys. IMO Lee could be higher but I would like to see how he does in college against tougher competition. With regaurds to Poulin he is technically sound but again he is a overager still in junior, but in junior most likely because the Isles lacked room for another goalie playing in Bport. Yet he would have had to had been signed even if he played in the ECHL.
Figren has not been written off but you can hustle all you want, what did he do to earn any top line time over the first 4 months of the season in Bport. Figren is playing better but he is still a far cry from anything. I am hoping that he has a monster year next year in Bport.
I have beat this like a dead horse but this years draft is paramount to this teams rebuild. This team needs more pics in the top 100, the Isles presently have 4, I don`t want to sound greedy but I want 4 more. This will allow the ISles to swing and miss a couple times and still have a decent draft in all probability.......... 2011 is a horrid draft
IMO, he is a legitimate goaltending prospect with the way he has progressed. A few years in the AHL (starting next year) and he may be in a heated battle with Koskinen for a job with the big club.
I have seen a lot of these guys, so I figured I'd chip in my own opinion.
Factors for my rankings:
Potential - Where a guy's ceiling is down the road.
Development Arc - Has the player been improving, stagnating, or regressing?
Proximity to the NHL - How close the player is to making the show.
Health - Ability to stay on the ice.
Intangibles - Captaincy/leadership, nasty streak, etc.
Without further ado...
Discounted: John Tavares, Andy MacDonald, Jack Hillen --> too many games in the NHL
1. Travis Hamonic - D, Brandon Wheat Kings, WHL - He's back from the shoulder injury he suffered on a cheap shot in the WJC. A big, nasty defenseman who is positionally sound, quick on his skates, and unafraid to unleash a hellish slapshot. Excellent on both the PP and PK. Ceiling: Top pairing defenseman... Floor: Mid pairing defenseman.
2. Kirill Petrov - W, Ak Bars Kazan, KHL - Ignore the idea that he's not getting any burn in Russia. He had an excellent WJC for a crap Russian team, and if he comes stateside, he's going to be a real keeper. His combination of size, speed, and hands just can't be ignored. By far the Isles prospect with the highest ceiling. Ceiling: Top line power forward... Floor: Second line forward, though there's a possibility he never makes it to America.
3. Calvin de Haan - D, Oshawa Generals, OHL - Out for the year with a shoulder injury. Before that, he was the headliner for a poor Oshawa team that no longer had Michael Del Zotto or John Tavares. He made Canada's WJC squad as its youngest defenseman, and his impressive showing there increased his stock. He gets by on his excellent hockey smarts and skating, but he needs to fill out and develop a bona fide slapshot.Ceiling: Top pairing defenseman... Floor: Will not make the NHL if he doesn't fill out.
4. Matt Martin - W, New York Islanders, NHL - In his few games with the big club, he showed an aptitude for hitting everything, parking himself in front of the net, dropping the gloves when necessary, and jump-starting the offense. He shows surprisingly decent playmaking skills and a deceptively good wrist shot. He'll need power skating lessons, but if Tim Jackman can do it, anyone can. Ceiling: Effective second line all-around bruiser... Floor: Fourth line grinder.
5. Jesse Joensuu - W, New York Islanders, NHL - The Finnish guy is big and talented, plus he's been steadily improving each year. He shows great defensive responsibility, a willingness to bang in the corners, and a nice nose for the front of the net. His instincts in the crease are still pretty raw, but you see the potential here and there. Could break through and stick as a nice replacement for Trent Hunter, just without the nice slapshot. Ceiling: Complementary second line/third line tweener... Floor: Back to the Euro Leagues.
6. Matt Donovan - D, Denver Pioneers, NCAA - Quickly proving to everyone that in spite of his fourth round pedigree, he's the real deal. More than held his own on a pairing with Cam Fowler when he won gold with the USA team at this past WJC. Great instincts for being so young. Worked his way to the top pairing wherever he's been so far, and he's only a freshman at DU. Smooth skater, good shot, great vision, nice positioning. Needs to get nastier to complete the package, but you should start getting excited about him. Ceiling: Top pairing defenseman... Floor: Bottom pairing defenseman.
7. Mikko Koskinen - G, Bridgeport Sound Tigers, AHL - Only played a little for the Bridge before he went down with a hip injury, but his numbers don't lie: he was seeing success. It was a risk to take him at the top of the second round last year, and it's hard to say where he's headed, but this should no doubt be very interesting to watch. Gains this ranking because he's already playing pro hockey and because he could turn out to be a nice find on physical attributes alone. Ceiling: Too tough to tell... Floor: Backup goalie.
8. Dustin Kohn - D, New York Islanders, NHL - He's showed that he can hold his own in the NHL. Doesn't bring a whole lot to the table, but doesn't take anything away. Big, but not really nasty. Quick, but doesn't have blinding speed. Not a positional expert, but certainly not a pylon. Shows a nice affinity for offense, but nothing special. His value is that he's shown he can come through in a pinch on the NHL level, and perhaps establish himself as a half-decent option on the bottom pairing. Ceiling: Bottom pairing defenseman... Floor: Career AHLer.
9. Mark Katic - D, Bridgeport Sound Tigers, AHL - He's got blinding speed and he's quarterbacking Bridgeport's PP, which says something. However, he's also going to have to overcome size issues. The Islanders have a glut of this type of defenseman in the organization, and he'll have to do something do distinguish himself from Hillen, MacDonald, de Haan, Ness, and Spurgeon. He's out for the rest of the year with a shoulder injury. Ceiling: Mid pairing defenseman... Floor: Never sees the NHL.
10. Kevin Poulin - G, Victoriaville Tigres, QMJHL - The scouting report on him is that he has stretches of dominating play followed by episodes that just make you shrug your shoulders. He showed elements of this in both prospect camp and the preseason, but when he's on, there's no doubt that he can make all the stops. Brings good size and athleticism to the table. Recently, Patrick Roy called him the best goalie in the QMJHL, though he's an over-ager. Ceiling: Solid NHL goalie and respectable first option... Floor: Inconsistent journeyman.
11. Jason Gregoire - W, North Dakota Fighting Sioux, NCAA - Not very present on everyone's radar, but he is carrying North Dakota almost singlehandedly. A leader, willing to bang and claw for the puck, great hockey sense, plays in all situations, decent speed, wicked hands. Great at picking and choosing his spots. A real sleeper, he's only a sophomore and is already one of the better players in all of college hockey. Ceiling: Heady second liner... Floor: Third line complementary player.
12. Aaron Ness - D, Minnesota Golden Gophers, NCAA - Though his numbers are unspectacular, he's not lacking in the skills department. The best skater of all Islanders prospects, and it's not particularly close. He is gifted offensively and pretty good on defense, but his lack of bulk really holds him back. He's stuck in a terrible Minnesota program, and it'll be interesting to see what the Isles will do with him after the Okposo episode. Ceiling: Mid pairing defenseman... Floor: Never sees the NHL.
13. Rhett Rakhshani - W, Denver Pioneers, NCAA - He's the front runner for the Hobey Baker, and he's trying to lead Denver to a national championship. He brings excellent intangibles and hockey sense, particularly on the PK, where he is a wizard. He's smart on offense, but doesn't have the hands or vision to be a mainstay on a top NHL power play unit. He's willing to get his nose dirty, but he doesn't have the size or speed to really distinguish himself from the pack. Everything about his journey to the NHL will be grit, heart, and hustle. If he ever makes it, he's a championship player in whatever role he plays. Ceiling: He's a longshot for the second line someday... Floor: Career AHLer.
14. Anton Klementyev - D, Bridgeport Sound Tigers, AHL - Understandably written off sometimes because of his fifth round pedigree, but Klementyev put up a decent showing in the WJC and displayed his knowledge of the North American game since coming over. He knows the importance of the area in front of the net, and he does his best to defend it. Don't expect any offensive output from him whatsoever. This season and the next one are both purely developmental for him. One of those guys, like Martinek and MacDonald, that you figure the Isles kept in their back pocket on Draft Day. Ceiling: Bottom pairing defenseman... Floor: Back to Russia.
15. Casey Cizikas - C, Mississauga-St. Michael's Majors, OHL - Given a top-fifteen grade by some outlets before his unfortunate incident, the Isles scooped him up, and Cizikas is rewarding them richly. Every indication is that the past is behind him. Leads his team in points and +/-, which is saying something because they're battling for third place in the OHL. I haven't seen him play, but he looks to be a real keeper. Ceiling: Effective center behind Tavares and Bailey... Floor: Pure grinder.
16. David Ullstrom - C/W, HV71, SEL - Gets this spot because of what I've seen from him in prospect camp and on highlight films, and that's about it. Plays both center and wing, but supposedly projects as a wing. Big, mobile, and supposedly has some nice hands. Playing for one of the SEL's top teams at a pretty young age. Ceiling: Can't tell... Floor: Can't tell.
17. Anders Lee - C, Green Bay Gamblers, USHL - Looked pretty good in prospect camp, and little did we know that he would lead the USHL in goals, notch top five in +/-, and serve as the star attraction for the USHL's top team. While he battles for MVP honors there, the Isles can pat themselves on the back for taking the risk that he might choose D1 football over hockey. This one seems to be paying off handsomely so far. Headed to Notre Dame next year. Ceiling: Can't round anything out for him just yet... Floor: Too early to tell.
18. Blake Kessel - D, New Hampshire Wildcats, NCAA - Looked good last year when I saw him, but I haven't yet seen him this year, and he's putting up spectacular numbers so far. At one point, he led all college hockey defensemen in points. He's a rock in his own end, he's got an NHL body, and he seems to have the offensive aptitude. I'll tell you more as I watch him further. Ceiling: Mid pairing defenseman... Floor: Never sees the NHL.
19. Anders Nilsson - G, Lulea, SEL - In the WJC, he backed up Florida Panthers wunderkind Jakob Markstrom. He's not nearly on Markstrom's level, but he has a behemoth frame. His lateral movement is a little slow and his catching glove needs some work, but he was drafted as a raw project anyway. Time will tell. Ceiling: Too early to tell... Floor: Never brought stateside.
20. Corey Trivino - C, Boston University Terriers, NCAA - Jack Parker has a lot of praise for him for good reason. He's a good skater, he's extremely responsible defensively, and he holds his own in the offensive end. He's apparently a good leader as well. His numbers this year were unimpressive, and he's out for the year with a broken leg. However, as a sophomore, it's too early to write him off. Ceiling: Checking line center... Floor: Never signed by the Islanders.
21. Shane Sims - D, Ohio State Buckeyes, NCAA - The guy that nobody talks about because he doesn't have sick numbers and isn't part of a powerhouse program. Here's the lowdown: he boasts an NHL body, he skates pretty well, he's got nice positioning, he quarterbacks his team's PP with a boomstick of a slapshot, and his wrist shot is surprisingly accurate. He makes nice rushes up ice and is slowly perfecting the art of the tape-to-tape pass. He's a junior and will play out his college eligibility, but it wouldn't surprise me to see the Isles try to fit him into the equation. Ceiling: Mid pairing defenseman... Floor: Never signed by the Islanders.
22. Stefan Ridderwall - G, Djurgardens, SEL - Never seen him play, but he gets this spot because of how well he's doing while splitting time in the SEL. Who knows if the Islanders will bring him over. Ceiling: Can't tell... Floor: Never brought over.
23. Jyri Niemi - D, Saskatoon Blades, WHL - A lot of people were excited about him when Draft Day came, considering he had an early second-round pedigree and dropped to the third. When the WJC rolled around, we saw there was a reason for that. He gets credit for captaining his team, but he had several lapses in his own end, couldn't orchestrate the offense when it mattered, and failed to make an impact when he was put against the opposition's best. He has an NHL body (that he uses only sporadically) and a 100-mph slapshot, but he badly needs to put it all together if he wants to get signed, and he needs to do it quickly. Ceiling: Bottom pairing defenseman... Floor: Never signed by the Islanders.
24. Trevor Smith - C/W, Bridgeport Sound Tigers, AHL - He was OK when he was up here last year, but it's hard to tell if he's still in the Islanders' plans. His underwhelming season at Bridgeport may be due to a lack of playmakers, but he has to pick it up somehow if he wants another shot at the show. Ceiling: Could be a decent scorer for the bottom six... Floor: Career AHLer.
25. Justin DiBenedetto - W, Bridgeport Sound Tigers, AHL - After a blistering over-age season in Sarnia, DiBenedetto is having a hard time adjusting to the AHL. He has time to put it together, but reports are that he's floating, which will get him nowhere. Ceiling: Haven't seen enough of him to know... Floor: Career AHLer.
Honorable Mention: Robin Figren (talented but seems to have lost his way), Tomas Marcinko (could work out as a nice fourth line player), David Toews (must overcome size issues if he wants to carve out a role on the big club someday), Jared Spurgeon (excellent numbers but is REALLY SMALL), Brian Day (doing nicely in college but his game may not translate)
Overall: The system gets a little underrated, but it's more potential-based than anything. A lot of depth, though, which is good. I think the scouting staff has done well these last three or four drafts, which is encouraging. A fair amount of sleepers.
That's a wonderful writeup. The future seems like it just might be bright!
Also, those 2005 and 2006 top 25 rankings, man...ugly.
Great write up Dice! Can't really argue with any of it.
I will get bold at this juncture though and say that Ullstrom is going to be an NHLer and translates very well to being a bigger version of Sami Pahlsson, who also didn't necessarily make it overnight.
By 11-12, he should be in BPort and making his way to the Island within one season.
Tools are there to be a very effective third liner from a two-way standpoint. His offensive limit can't necessarily be interpreted at this point, but there's reason to believe that it could be quite decent at some juncture.
I'd also say that the Isles would be a bit foolish not to take a chance on Spurgeon. He's VERY tiny (5'8", 175 lbs.), and hopefully they could get him to sign a Nikiforov/Guthrie/Romano type deal to be in the organization, but before he walks, they should bite the bullet and get him in here in the same manner as MacDonald.
The offensive abilities and top +/- values may be foolish to pass up on. Even if not "in the plans" over the long run, he could still develop into an interesting trading chip as there's always teams looking for the "Cory Murphys" of the world to help jumpstart a PP or something. Everything up to now says he's not necessarily worth less at taking a shot on than Katic was.
My criteria for evaluating prospects is how well they perform against their peers, my view on their skills, and what kind of a player they ultimately end up being ie, their ceiling. For purposes of this list, im not including anyone currently in the NHL for more than 10 games or so.
1. Travis Hamonic - rare combination of size, skill, and skating ability. schenn might be a poor mans hamonic by the time he is through.
2. Calvin de Haan - introduce this boy to Mark McGuire and we have an allstar
3. Matt Donovan - couldnt ask for more from him this season, just been great.
4. Kirill Petrov - totally stunted by the KHL, but still has elite skills. i hope to hell he comes over here soon.
5. Jesse Joensuu - size and skill, starting to put it together.
6. Jason Gregoire - a natural goal scorer who is leading his team as a sophmore, good signs, i really like him.
7. Matt Martin - gonna be an NHL'er, but only a nice complimentary player on a good team.
8. Anders Lee - dont overlook what he's doing, finally concentrating on hockey, putting up heady numbers.
9. David Ullstrom
10. Rhett Rakhshani - a leader, but will he have enough skill?
11. Blake Kessel - having a great year, will his game translate to the pros?
12. Kevin Poulin
13. Casey Cizikas - putting up great numbers, looks like a steal
14. Aaron Ness
15. Mikko Koskinen - a mystery...
16. Anders Nilsson
17. Shane Sims
18. Dustin Kohn - he's come in and done a nice job, but he's nothing more than a bottom pairing dman ever, imho.
19. Corey Trivino - oh how the mighty have fallen....
20. Anton Klementyev
i know i sound like a broken record, but we do have a hell of alot more depth then i remember in the recent past. i mean, my 18th ranked prospect is playing in the NHL....my only problems with this list is there are relatively few superstars in waiting...a lot of middling players here, tho many nhl caliber i think. more size and skill coming up, but we're still a few years away to see whether the recent drafts have panned out.
cant wait to see what we do at the deadline, and then at the draft...
Good posts from you and dice... I dont get to see the kids play.... please continue to keep us on the kids in the system!!!
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