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DanZ 03-01-2010 09:49 PM

Mike Babcock a good coach now?
 
Didn't see a thread about this so here it goes. Many Canadian fans said earlier in the tournament that Babcock was a horrible coach and whatnot. Well is he a good coach now that Canadians have won gold?

Zetsyuk 03-01-2010 09:56 PM

When was he a bad coach....?

Walkingthroughforest 03-01-2010 10:00 PM

He got his **** together after the german game and was great then. But he was absolutely micromanaging the team in a way that was detrimental to the teams success beforehand. I mean, Iginla benched or on the 4th line? The Shark line being played for 20 minutes a game? Playing Pronger as much as he did when he was in pylon mode?
Terrible.
He did what he does best in Detroit though during the romp on Germany, and that's let the players dictate the game.
A solid B+ for Mike B.

Bgav 03-01-2010 10:15 PM

now????

DanZ 03-01-2010 11:12 PM

Now that the team has won gold. Many were criticizing him, saying he was a horrible coach. But the team won gold, so does that make him a good coach for team Canada then?

Walkingthroughforest 03-01-2010 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanZ (Post 24216028)
Now that the team has won gold. Many were criticizing him, saying he was a horrible coach. But the team won gold, so does that make him a good coach for team Canada then?

No, I would never want him to coach this team again.
They need a guy who'll play the hot hand a understand the short format length.

EdmFlyersfan 03-01-2010 11:24 PM

I agree Babcock is not the right coach, there are better choices out there.

Babcock almost screwed up Gold by icing the wrong D-pairing in the final minutes of the game.

Also, early on he was fumbling around with the lines a little too much.

Epictetus 03-01-2010 11:29 PM

How about Ron Wilson?

Kave Deon 03-01-2010 11:31 PM

If Detroit doesn't make the playoffs this year - and I'm not saying that they won't get in - could he be fired at season's end? How much faith does Ken Holland have in him?

robdicks 03-01-2010 11:32 PM

meh he made some bad decisions in the tournament... (the most blatenly obvious the usa game on super sunday).... but i never thought he was a bad coach.. he has won a cup... but i felt as the tournament progressed he wasn't overcoaching as much

Big Phil 03-02-2010 12:11 AM

I am one Canadian that got on his case early on. Stuff like not calling a timeout in the USA round robin game and not playing Crosby as much. In the dying seconds of the gold medal game I couldn't understand why Niedermayer was on the ice and why Getzlaf took that crucial faceoff. If you have Bergeron on the team for a specific reason why not let him take that faceoff and be on the ice to protect the lead? I noticed that right away prior to the goal.

But like all Canadians I forget that this guy has been to three Cup finals (winning one) and also won that very important WJC championship for Canada in 1997 vs. a strong US team. He came through in the end but he nearly failed allowing Canada to sit back in a defensive shell in the third period. You never protect a lead until about 2 minutes left. Until then, it's always pedal to the medal. This is why I am glad Ken Hitchcock was nowhere near the bench (think 2008 World Championships gold game).

It wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if Babcock returned, but sooner or later they have to give the reigns to Brent Sutter. That is the next best logical step in this process, a less militant version of Mike Keenan

PhilaFlyers 03-02-2010 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zetsyuk (Post 24214581)
When was he a bad coach....?

After the loss to the US in the prelims? At least a lot of Canadian fans seemed to think so.

Lux Aurumque* 03-02-2010 12:22 AM

No. Babcock is not a very good coach, and I hope he's not behind the bench for Canada ever again. He made a lot of questionable coaching decisions throughout the tournament, including the gold medal game.

SteelCityWings1034 03-02-2010 12:24 AM

OK, no one on these boards is a coach so.....here goes.

I mean, Iginla benched or on the 4th line?

Maybe he was trying to spark a fire? Or motivate him? Seems like it worked to me.

The Shark line being played for 20 minutes a game?

It's a short tournament....players get tired...momentum switches....why not play that line the most in meaningless games? Rest up the other lines for other games....there's so much to take into consideration.....Makes sense to me...

Playing Pronger as much as he did when he was in pylon mode?

Pronger didn't play that much, infact he was benched for the first 2 periods of one of the games....again.

No, I would never want him to coach this team again.

You're right. You obviously know way more than Steve Yzerman and company.
You should be the coach. I vote for you.

If Detroit doesn't make the playoffs this year - and I'm not saying that they won't get in - could he be fired at season's end? How much faith does Ken Holland have in him?

No chance does Babcock get let go. Regardless of the outcome for the 2010 Wings.


Babcock has won at every single level he has coached.

The mere fact that he's kept the Red Wings in the playoff hunt this season is remarkable. I think people around these boards really underestimate just how badly the Wings have been affected by injuries this season.

Babcock is IMO, a top 3, if not the best coach in the NHL.

Yes i'm a Wings fan, but I said this many moons ago before he was coach of the Wings....and was jumping up and down the day the Wings replaced Lewis with Babcock.

Trottier 03-02-2010 02:48 AM

A country's hockey team win the gold Medal 24 hours ago.

HF's reaction?

A thread where many criticize the starting goaltender, who went 5-0 in goal.

A thread branding the 22 y/o future HOF, Cup winning captain who scored the Medal-clinching goal as a guy who is just "lucky to be surrounded by good teammates.

A thread challenging the guy who was primarily responsible for selecting the roster.

And here, a thread criticizing the Cup winning coach who managed this hastily thrown together roster to its 1st place medal.

Results clearly do not matter. Because at least some HF posters apparently know better.

:facepalm:

OrrNumber4 03-02-2010 03:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trottier (Post 24218024)
A country's hockey team win the gold Medal 24 hours ago.

HF's reaction?

A thread where many criticize the starting goaltender, who went 5-0 in goal.

A thread branding the 22 y/o future HOF, Cup winning captain who scored the Medal-clinching goal as a guy who is just "lucky to be surrounded by good teammates.

A thread challenging the guy who was primarily responsible for selecting the roster.

And here, a thread criticizing the Cup winning coach who managed this hastily thrown together roster to its 1st place medal.

Results clearly do not matter. Because at least some HF posters apparently know better.

:facepalm:

Well said.

Babcock won the gold, that is what matters.

Someone earlier criticized Babcock for overplaying Pronger/Niedermayer. One has to understand that a good coach puts a lot of faith into players of that ilk. He can trust those players; they are known quantities, exceptional players. He is making the safe bet.

An observation of Doughty: he can be beaten with speed. A few times in the tournament he was beaten by a forward driving to the net; Doughty was unable to push them to the outside or cut off their angle in time. He was either bailed out by his goaltender, got a little lucky (once he fell but IMO blindly swatted the puck away), or a combination of both.

An observation of Niedermayer: It is no secret to anyone, but Niedermayer is getting old...he played well in the tournament, but I had always maintained that despite a clear drop in his regular-season performance, he still brought it all when it mattered most; he was still a dominating player during the toughest games...yet during the tournament, it really hit home that the guy is running of gas...he was obviously giving it all during the tournament, but he wasn't at the level I am so accustomed to seing him at...


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