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Dfire 04-09-2010 03:39 AM

germans @ the NHL Entry Draft 2010
 
The CSS published their latest ranking and I counted 13 germans - I hope I didn't miss anybody.

European Skaters
#8 Tom Kühnhackl (RW, Landshut)
#23 Mirko Höfflin (C, Mannheim)
#52 David Elsner (W, Landshut)
#62 Bernhard Keil (LW, Mannheim)
#69 Gal Koren (W, Mannheim)
#74 Corey Mapes (D, Mannheim)
#78 Dominik Bittner (D, Mannheim)
#100 Marcel Noebels (C, Krefeld)
#101 Norman Hauner (C, Köln)
#107 Niklas Clusen (D, Düsseldorf)
#112 Daniel Weiss (RW, Berlin)

domestic skaters
#164 Konrad Abeltshauser (D, Halifax)

domestic goalies
#15 Phillip Grubauer (Windsor)


I really don't know on what information they base their ranking decision. By just looking at stats you'd have to include Krefelds Julian van Lijden and Pascal Zerressen (who is also 6'4'' tall). On the other hand I don't believe that they actually scout (=watch in real life) the low ranked players.
I also kind of expected Laurin Braun in there after his scoring spree in the DEL at the end of the regular season. So my conclusion is that they basically look at stats but not very thorough.

Nationality also seems to be a factor if you consider Grubauers low ranking.

Aside from that I think there are more germans in the ranking than ever before.

Tronador 04-10-2010 04:55 AM

Hi,

Gal Koren is a slovenian national team player...

What about Marcel Müller as an overaged prospect?

JVR 04-10-2010 09:25 PM

Dunno.
The Olympics could have been his stage but he didn't really show much unlike
MZA for example.

Salzig 04-11-2010 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tronador (Post 25046728)
What about Marcel Müller as an overaged prospect?

I'm pretty sure that he'll be drafted. He had good numbers last season, plays physical and has shown his talent at the Olympics.

smitty10 04-11-2010 11:37 AM

As far as I can tell there will only be a few German's drafted. Kuhnhackl will be drafted for sure, Hofflin, Abeltshauser, Mueller and Grubauer will probably all be drafted as well.

Kuhnhackl- 2nd round
Grubauer- 3rd/4th round
Abeltshauser- 5th-7th round
Hofflin- 6th-7th round
Mueller(if eligable)- 4th-5th round

I could see one or 2 more going in the 7th round, but its hard to tell.

Sanderson 04-11-2010 03:48 PM

The last few years the number of Germans that were actually drafted was usually lower than the number everyone thought would be drafted.

Following that logic, right now, I'd go with two, maybe three.

Tronador 04-11-2010 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sanderson (Post 25083009)
The last few years the number of Germans that were actually drafted was usually lower than the number everyone thought would be drafted.

Following that logic, right now, I'd go with two, maybe three.

I have to agree. I think there will be between 2-3 Germans, who will be drafted.

Great to see that next year we will have another great prospect: Tobias Rieder.

What about Laurin Braun?

http://eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=28741

Why he isn't listed?

Dfire 04-12-2010 02:18 AM

Last week the german U18 played 2 tune-up games v Japan for the Division I WC. They ended 7:0 and 7:3. I don't know about assists but Kühnhackl scored 4 goals, Elsner 3, Nöbels 2 and Höfflin 1.
yesterday they played the UK in their first regular match and beat them 9:0. Pretty much all the ranked players scored:
http://stats.iihf.com/Hydra/213/IHM213902_74_4_0.pdf


Quote:

Originally Posted by Tronador (Post 25089310)
What about Laurin Braun?

http://eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=28741

Why he isn't listed?

maybe scouts think he's as injury prone as his brother

zecke26 04-12-2010 03:07 AM

braun is undersized and IMO not special enough. he did not much in 2nd-tier with dresden.
and while his games in berlin were pretty good, it's not really a sign of how good he is. to be part of berlin's PP unit and playing with some of those guys is almost a guarantee for points.

he seems to be one of the more talented young players in germany, but that alone is not enough to be interesting for the NHL.
unlike daniel weiss for example who is outstanding on penalty kill and defensive play and might be interesting as a role player.

but my guess is that kuehnhackl and grubauer are locks and abeltshauser and hoefflin would be nice extras. but 4 draftees should be the max. and marcel mueller is ufa, not draft eligible.

Vipers31 04-12-2010 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zecke26 (Post 25105295)
and marcel mueller is ufa, not draft eligible.

I'm pretty sure you are mistaken. He is in his last year of eligibility for Europeans that haven't played in North America, unless I misread the CBA again. I initially thought he'd be a free agent myself, but after someone asked whether that was correct I checked the CBA again. Obviously it's possible I misread it, but as of now I'm pretty sure he's still eligible.

zecke26 04-12-2010 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vipers31 (Post 25109311)
I'm pretty sure you are mistaken. He is in his last year of eligibility for Europeans that haven't played in North America, unless I misread the CBA again. I initially thought he'd be a free agent myself, but after someone asked whether that was correct I checked the CBA again. Obviously it's possible I misread it, but as of now I'm pretty sure he's still eligible.

hmm...let's try to remember the rule. NAs are 3 years eligible, at age 18-20. euros are 4 years eligible, so 18-21.

mueller's 1st year was in 2006 when he was 18 (born before the cut off date of september 15th)

06,07,08,09...those were his 4 years. if he'd be born 3 month later, he'd still be eligible.

that's at least how i remember the rule.

Tronador 04-12-2010 11:28 AM

Hi,

so which teams are showing their interest in Marcel Müller? May be he can convince some more scouts during the world cup.

Best regards

Sanderson 04-12-2010 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vipers31 (Post 25109311)
I'm pretty sure you are mistaken. He is in his last year of eligibility for Europeans that haven't played in North America, unless I misread the CBA again. I initially thought he'd be a free agent myself, but after someone asked whether that was correct I checked the CBA again. Obviously it's possible I misread it, but as of now I'm pretty sure he's still eligible.

For me it's exactly the other way round ;)
First I thought he was eligible, then I read the CBA and came to the conclusion that he isn't.

Müller is counted as a 22 year old, per article 8.10 of the CBA.

There are five reasons mentioned in article 8.4 why a player could not be eligible for the draft, the first four definately don't fit to this situation, but the last one does:

Quote:

(v) a player age 22 or older who has not been selected in a previous Entry Draft and shall be eligible to enter the League as an Unrestricted Free Agent pursuant to Article 10.1(d)
As mentioned above, Müller is seen as a 22 year old, as the requirement to be considered 22 is to have your 22nd birthday up until the 31st December of the year of the Draft.

Dfire 04-12-2010 02:15 PM

Kühnhackl and Nöbels each with 3 goals in Germanys 11:1 win over Kazakhstan today.

smitty10 04-13-2010 08:53 AM

Here's just an update for some of the top ranked German players over their first two games played:

2010 Draft
Tom Kuhnhackl- 2gp 3g 1a 4pts 2pim +4
Konrad Abeltshauser "A"- 2gp 1g 3a 4pts 2pim +7
Mirko Hofflin- 2gp 1g 4a 5pts 0pim +6
Marcel Noebels- 2gp 4g 2a 6pts 0pim +6

2011 Draft
Tobias Rieder- 2gp 2g 1a 3pts 12pim +4

N O T O R I O U S 04-14-2010 08:14 AM

Kühnhackl might go 9th overall

Tronador 04-14-2010 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smitty10 (Post 25129928)
Here's just an update for some of the top ranked German players over their first two games played:

2010 Draft
Tom Kuhnhackl- 2gp 3g 1a 4pts 2pim +4
Konrad Abeltshauser "A"- 2gp 1g 3a 4pts 2pim +7
Mirko Hofflin- 2gp 1g 4a 5pts 0pim +6
Marcel Noebels- 2gp 4g 2a 6pts 0pim +6

2011 Draft
Tobias Rieder- 2gp 2g 1a 3pts 12pim +4

After the 15-0 win against Lithunia with 89 against 7 shoots:

Abeltshauser- 3gp 1g 5a 6pts
Hofflin- 3gp 1g 5a 7pts
Noebels- 3gp 6g 7a 13pts
Rieder- 3gp 3g 1a 4pts

smitty10 04-14-2010 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by karzanPalani (Post 25153882)
Kühnhackl might go 9th overall

:help:

JVR 04-14-2010 09:58 AM

I hope Detroit pick him.
They seem like a very patient bunch.

bobermay 04-16-2010 07:15 PM

So, Muller is a Free agent? Does have still have term remaining on his contract with Klon(I think thats who he plays for... unless I'm mistaken)?.

He was one of my favourite players this olympics, but I'm probably a bit biased.

Salzig 04-17-2010 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobermay (Post 25222201)
So, Muller is a Free agent? Does have still have term remaining on his contract with Klon(I think thats who he plays for... unless I'm mistaken)?.

He was one of my favourite players this olympics, but I'm probably a bit biased.

Yes, he's got a contract with Cologne (Köln) for the coming season. But it's pretty obvious that Müller is going to play in North America next season. Cologne has no problems with letting their young talented players walk away. We've got some financial troubles, too so the extra money would be really useful. I think the Leafs have the best chance at signing him - Burke liked his play back in 2007 (as the GM of Anaheim) when he visited Cologne. Here's a link [in English] (but no quotation covering Müller)

Gwyddbwyll 04-17-2010 03:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tronador (Post 25154475)
After the 15-0 win against Lithunia with 89 against 7 shoots:

Abeltshauser- 3gp 1g 5a 6pts
Hofflin- 3gp 1g 5a 7pts
Noebels- 3gp 6g 7a 13pts
Rieder- 3gp 3g 1a 4pts

Noebels is outscoring the others by quite a bit, including Kuhnhackl.. he should be drafted?

PlietscherDassel 04-17-2010 11:55 AM

I could see a lot of NHL GMs go after Müller now that MZA seems to be off the market.

Quote:

Originally Posted by karzanPalani (Post 25153882)
Kühnhackl might go 9th overall

I think he will be an early 2nd round pick.... maybe a late first.

Sanderson 04-17-2010 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Salzig (Post 25235243)
Yes, he's got a contract with Cologne (Köln) for the coming season. But it's pretty obvious that Müller is going to play in North America next season. Cologne has no problems with letting their young talented players walk away. We've got some financial troubles, too so the extra money would be really useful.

I'm not really sure if that's possible.

Germany has no transfer-agreement with the NHL, NHL-teams aren't allowed to negotiate a deal outside of this agreement. Unless Müller buys himself out of the contract, which I really can't see happening, every NHL-team has to wait until the contract runs out or Germany signs a transfer-agreement.


I wouldn't say that Cologne has no problems with letting their players leave, either. They refused to let Flaake go to the WHL last summer and tried to keep Gogulla for as long as possible. Now, there is nothing wrong with that, those players were under contract and there was no transfer-agreement, but it seems to be pretty clear that Cologne is not too happy about losing talents that way.

Not that it matters. If there is a transfer-agreement, the DEL-team has no say on the matter. If there isn't one, no NHL-team can try and sign the player.

Tronador 04-17-2010 04:43 PM

After the 10-0 win against Poland, Marcel Noebels reached 19 points in 5 games...that's amazing.

The goaltenders also seem to have played fantastic:

Mathias Niederberger with 96,49 % and 57 shots on goal. Sebastian Kinader with 100 % and 14 shots on goal.


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