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Tony D63 04-24-2010 09:00 PM

Bobby Ryan turns down offer?
 
I saw on the flyers board and some one say he herd it on NHL live or some thing. I also caught this on that same topic, here it is..

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Mark Guy of Toronto-based Newport Sports Management said Monday that he hasn’t resumed any contract talks with the Ducks’ brass in the days after their season ended last week but added that he believes there will be discussions in the coming weeks after the two sides agreed to suspend negotiations earlier in the season.

“I would expect that we will at some point in time,” Guy said of any scheduled talks. “But we haven’t yet. And that’s not abnormal with the season just ending.

“We have quite a few guys up this summer and we haven’t really started on any of them yet because teams are just kind of going through the whole process of evaluating themlseves and where they fit cap-wise for next year.

“I would expect that we’d get into some discussions as we we had into the later part of May and June. But nothing scheduled for right now.”

The Ducks know that Ryan, a restricted free agent as of July 1, will be getting a big-money deal but they decided to suspend negotiations until after the season partly to see if the big winger could duplicate his breakout rookie campaign when he had 31 goals and 57 points in being a Calder Trophy finalist.

Though there were some concerns about his willingness to work in the tough areas around the net, Ryan shook off a slow start to 2009-10 to lead the Ducks with 35 goals and rank third on the team with 64 points.

Ryan’s goal total tied him for 10th in the NHL with Vancouver’s Alex Burrows. The fact that he’s still 23 and has 71 goals over the equivalent of two full seasons certainly jacked up his asking price, which figures to settle around $5 million per season. Maybe more.

One thing to consider: Guy negotiated Corey Perry’s five-year deal that carries an average salary of $5.325 million in the summer of 2008 after Perry posted 29 goals and 54 points in 2007-08. Perry, who was also 23 at the time he signed his contract, had 59 goals in 208 NHL games at that point.

And there’s the specter of an offer sheet thrown out by another team that Ryan himself raised when he spoke about it following the team’s exit meetings.
If this is true that he turned down the offer and became a rfa, and we had room (its possible with redden going to hartford), should we sign him.. but dont we have to do what boston did with toronto trading there first round draft pick?

Jumbo* 04-24-2010 09:06 PM

If he is a RFA then we will have to give ANA our 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick. And i don't think we even have a 3rd round pick so we can't even try.

Tony D63 04-24-2010 09:10 PM

i think we have to give our 2011 picks. because boston only had 1 pick last draft right?

ThirdEye 04-24-2010 09:11 PM

Forget it. We gotta pay the guy like 5+ million and give away some very good picks? No thanks

If he was a UFA I would go after him though

Wraparounds 04-24-2010 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jumbo (Post 25436195)
If he is a RFA then we will have to give ANA our 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick. And i don't think we even have a 3rd round pick so we can't even try.

I would think that if Anaheim couldn't resign him they would look to trade his RFA rights.

Tony D63 04-24-2010 09:14 PM

yea i understand that but he has the potiental it be a 50+ goal scorer. but yea losing the picks makes me re think about it.

UAGoalieGuy 04-24-2010 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jumbo (Post 25436195)
If he is a RFA then we will have to give ANA our 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick. And i don't think we even have a 3rd round pick so we can't even try.

They would be 2011 picks, something I won't really lose sleep over.

UAGoalieGuy 04-24-2010 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaborik Scores (Post 25436358)
yea i understand that but he has the potiental it be a 50+ goal scorer. but yea losing the picks makes me re think about it.

They will match anything thrown at him, though. They have the cap space to do so, it appears at least.

GaborikEqualsGod1995* 04-24-2010 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaborik Scores (Post 25436358)
yea i understand that but he has the potiental it be a 50+ goal scorer. but yea losing the picks makes me re think about it.

Potential 50 goal scorer > Postionally unknown draft picks in a weak draft year.

Emptyvoid 04-24-2010 09:42 PM

If he doesn't want to be in Anaheim, i'd rather try to trade for his rights instead of giving him an offer sheet and losing picks.

Anaheim needs defensemen, preferable one with snarl, however we could dangle Girardi+ on them for his rights.

beastly115 04-24-2010 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaborik Scores (Post 25436358)
yea i understand that but he has the potiental it be a 50+ goal scorer. but yea losing the picks makes me re think about it.

Why? Ryan will likely be better than any drafted player in the first 3 rounds anyway. I'd do it. He'd be perfect secondary scoring. Plus he has jam.

Tony D63 04-24-2010 09:59 PM

i know im just saying... id 100% want him on the rangers. im thinking losing 2 firsts most likely could be a pretty big loss because you can have 2 young players but we also great prospects so its not really a loss, but add Ryan is a biggggg gainn. so sign me up.

donpaulo 04-24-2010 10:14 PM

we are in the era of bettman NBA sign and trade deals

if ducks can't sign him they negotiate his rights and the new team has a window to agree on terms. If the player and team agree on the terms then the deal is tabled, haggled and hopefully approved.

Fitzy 04-24-2010 11:34 PM

You trade for him, I think, if he refuses to sign, i.e. Kessel situation.

Offer sheet i'd say stay away.

FOXHOUND* 04-24-2010 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Fitzy Duke of NY (Post 25439484)
You trade for him, I think, if he refuses to sign, i.e. Kessel situation.

Offer sheet i'd say stay away.

I agree. If he's a holdout a la kessel do a similiar deal that toronto gave for kessel.

Fitzy 04-24-2010 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by FOXHOUND (Post 25439654)
I agree. If he's a holdout a la kessel do a similiar deal that toronto gave for kessel.

well i'd rather deal prospects than like 3 firsts but its a similar idea.

Id do Sanguinetti, 1st 11, 2nd 11, Doyle.

FOXHOUND* 04-24-2010 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Fitzy Duke of NY (Post 25439716)
well i'd rather deal prospects than like 3 firsts but its a similar idea.

Id do Sanguinetti, 1st 11, 2nd 11, Doyle.

I'm fine with that as well

I'm just saying if we DID do what Toronto did we are a little better off then they are so it wouldnt be too bad

Wraparounds 04-24-2010 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by FOXHOUND (Post 25439814)
I'm fine with that as well

I'm just saying if we DID do what Toronto did we are a little better off then they are so it wouldnt be too bad

Toronto was stupid and got ripped off.

I think a top prospect, an '11 1st & 2nd, and a minor prospect would get it done.

GarretJoseph* 04-25-2010 12:21 AM

I'd prefer to sign Kovy.
Dump Redden.
Dump Brashear.
Dump Jokinen.

Then TRADE with the Ducks for Ryan.

Chad Johnson
Daniel Girardi
Grachev
11' 2nd round Pick
for Ryan + 11' 4th.

Wraparounds 04-25-2010 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by GarretJoseph (Post 25440280)
I'd prefer to sign Kovy.
Dump Redden.
Dump Brashear.
Dump Jokinen.

Then TRADE with the Ducks for Ryan.

Chad Johnson
Daniel Girardi
Grachev
11' 2nd round Pick
for Ryan + 11' 4th.

3 problems.
  1. Cap says hello.
  2. Cap says hello again.
  3. Ducks tell you to **** off.

Cherepanisimov 04-25-2010 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by NYR Fan in PGH (Post 25440332)
Ducks tell you to **** off.

Nah man, I think you read it wrong. Chad Johnson was included.

Wraparounds 04-25-2010 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherepanisimov (Post 25440421)
Nah man, I think you read it wrong. Chad Johnson was included.

My bad. If Ochocinco is included then the Ducks need to include two 1sts and Getzlaf.

nyrleetch 04-25-2010 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by NYR Fan in PGH (Post 25440443)
My bad. If Ochocinco is included then the Ducks need to include two 1sts and Getzlaf.

Would Corey Perry be to much to ask for as well?

Wraparounds 04-25-2010 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by nyrleetch (Post 25440473)
Would Corey Perry be to much to ask for as well?

Only if they take Brashear.

nyrleetch 04-25-2010 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by NYR Fan in PGH (Post 25440489)
Only if they take Brashear.

Ahh that might be a deal breaker from our standpoint what do you think?


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