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willie 05-11-2004 12:06 AM

LA/Montreal Proposal. (another one)
 
The Theodore proposal, while interesting, is probably too far fetched to come to fruition for a number of reasons. The Kings are pretty dedicated to building up through the draft and I can't see them being particularly interested in dealing assets like the 11th pick and Grebeshkov unless Anshchutz decides to open up the wallet and try and build a contender through signings/salary dumps etc. which isn't going to happen. (and is usually an unsuccessful formula anyway)

A more plausible scenario between the two teams would be LA acquiring Garon. LA will certainly be looking long and hard at the market for young goalies this offseason and I fully anticipate them acquiring a young goaltender. Garon is certainly going to be available (I'm not suggesting Montreal is in any rush to deal him, just that they will certainly entertain offers) and I think a logical deal could be put in place.

My proposal is as follows:

to Los Angelas - Mathieu Garon (G)
to Montreal - Eric Belanger (C), Christobal Huet (G), Conditional Pick

Reasoning for LA:

They need goaltending. Obviously. Garon is still young and shows a lot of promise as a potential #1. Cechmanek will probably be brought back simply because, economically, it makes the most sense. Bringing in a guy on the cusp of being a starter is probably the best thing LA can do right now. Cechmanek has admitted his play wasn't where it needed to be and bringing in a guy like Garon may be the shot in the arm Roman needs to pick up his game. (honestly, he really didn't play anywhere near as bad as his detractors would lead you to believe but he didn't play good enough to lead the injury depleted lineup to the playoffs)

Ideally, Garon comes in and splits time with Roman for the season eventually taking over sole possesion of the starter job in February/March. And, in 2005-2006, Garon is the starter, Cechmanek goes back to the Czech Republic and the Kings bring in a young guy as the backup.

Also, Belanger is expendable for a few reasons. One, the emergence of Esa Pirnes. Pirnes came in and played like a PK specialist for LA and may very well find himself a permanent spot in LA's top 12 simply because of his defensive ability. Pirnes also played surprisingly physical and probably outmatches Belanger in that department. Second, Avery was an absolute stud last year. Anyone who watched a number of Kings games would have seen that Avery is developing into a very good hockey player. Avery has stated his desire to play center and, if Belanger was dealt, he could probably shift over to the center spot. Lastly, Belanger seemed to stagnate a bit in LA last season. He certainly didn't play poorly but he struggled to consistently produce last year. I'm still of the opinion that he can put up a few more points than he has and a change of scenary may untap some of that potential. Huet would be expendable if Garon is brought in.

Reasoning for Montreal:

Logic suggests that Perreault will not be brought back and Juneau has retired. Perreault brought very valuable faceoff skills but was lacking in skating and defensive ability to be a mainstay in Montreal's everyday lineup. Belanger, OTOH, is a very good skater and defensive player. Of course, he also has some offensive ability as well which means he can add a little of bit everything to Montreal's third line. Not to mention, I can see the Canadiens pursuing Ian Laperrierre in the offseason (as much as I'd like LA to resign him) and Lappy and Belanger have great chemistry together. Two good French-Canadian boys who add some ingredients to Montreal's lineup that they may be lacking. Huet is a reliable backup goaltender and fills the void left by Garon.

The conditional pick would be something like a 3rd (a 2nd if I'm feeling generous) if Garon play 60+ games in 04/05, a 4th if he plays 41-59 games, a 5th if he plays 20-40 games, and no pick if he plays less than 20 games.

Thoughts?

E = CH² 05-11-2004 12:53 AM

After Garon's performance against LA (which has been the best goalie performance by either one of our goalies this season) I can see where you're coming from ;)

But from a habs standpoint it's got to be no. The downgrade from Huet to Garon ain't worth getting Bélanger. While a valuable player Bélanger ain't nothing special and players like him are dime a dozen. It's yet another case of quantity for quality that just doesn't work IMO. Chemistry between him and a supposed Lappy signing doesn't provide enough incentive either. Especially after Theodore lackluster playoffs. A lot of people in Mtl feel like Mathieu Garon could still become the number one with the habs. He definately has the potential and could be ready as soon as next season. I for one am going to enjoy seeing yet another goalie controversy in Mtl. In fact it's already started. Jacques Demers called Theodore out after game 3 against the bolts. And right now a RDS (TSN french sister) poll shows those results :

Should the habs trade José Théodore ?

Results
Yes (83%)

No (17%)

Number of participants : 12519


Also at the season's end press conference Gainey went out of his way to praise Garon and say how he had stepped in nicely when the team needed him. And when asked if Theodore was an untouchable he said : "An untouchable ? He's on our team." He also said : "Theodore wasn't perfect but none of us were." That doesn't sound like the biggest vote of confidence from Gainey.

And Gainey is right. Last season Garon proved to be a very competitive back up. He hasn't caused any problems in the dressing room playing behind Theodore and has helped the team bounce back at critical times after average performances from Theodore. At this point our goaltending situation is a strenght and is a requirement for us to make the playoffs. We need both our goalies for yet another season. No offense but if Theodore gets injured or doesn't play well I doubt Huet can cut it.

Right now our number one is Theodore but that could change in the future and I'm not sold on Theodore being the franchise goaltender everyone seems to think he is. Another season should make the goaltending situation in Mtl much clearer. I'd keep both until it's absolutely necessary to make a choice. Altough that could diminish both goalie's value you never seem to get much in return when dealing a goalie anyway.

Team_Spirit 05-11-2004 02:02 AM

Like E=Ch2 said the Habs must have 2 exellent goalies to makes the playoffs , it's like that in Montreal science Patrick Roy left ...

Thibault/Moog
Theodore/Hackett
Theodore/Garon

Reaper45 05-12-2004 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jozeph_Balej
Like E=Ch2 said the Habs must have 2 exellent goalies to makes the playoffs , it's like that in Montreal science Patrick Roy left ...

Thibault/Moog
Theodore/Hackett
Theodore/Garon

And why can't that be Theodore/Huet?

andora 05-12-2004 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper45
And why can't that be Theodore/Huet?


good point, since we're calling hacket and garon excellent goalies, why not huet

Natural Habs Fan 05-13-2004 01:15 AM

I haven't seen much of Huet but I'm banking on Garon as our future starting goaltender.

E = CH² 05-13-2004 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andora
good point, since we're calling hacket and garon excellent goalies, why not huet

They are (or were) still much better than Huet has ever been and probably ever will be.

Huet 03-04
GAA : 2.43
Save% : 0.907
Record : 10-16-10
SO : 3

And that was supposed to be a good year for goalies statistically. Now I know that the kings didn't have the greatest season out there but they were still in the running for the last playoffs spot in the western conference until the very last month.

Huet can't cut it as a starter in Mtl. Hackett already did and Garon has been a much better back up last season than Huet has been for the kings. He's also 3 years younger than Huet and like I already said has the potential to be a starter in Mtl one day. I don't see Huet ever being a starting goalie in the league. And if Kings fans didn't feel the same way about Huet they wouldn't be asking for a swap.

Mizral 05-13-2004 12:30 PM

Garon is pretty good, but Theodore is something else. If the Habs trade Theodore, I'd fire Gainey on the spot.

HF-Addict 05-13-2004 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by E = CH²

Should the habs trade José Théodore ?

Results
Yes (83%)

No (17%)

Number of participants : 12519


I read on Le journal de Montreal that rds site got hacked by someone who put 7000 votes on the YES. It was the second time it happens.

I'm pretty sure they were talking about that poll. In fact it was more something along the lines of 60 % Théo stay. (if you don't consider the number of votes this guy added, I'm not sure how many though and too lazy to calculate how many it could be :D

*Btw, I agree with the point you made*

andora 05-13-2004 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by E = CH²
They are (or were) still much better than Huet has ever been and probably ever will be.

Huet 03-04
GAA : 2.43
Save% : 0.907
Record : 10-16-10
SO : 3

And that was supposed to be a good year for goalies statistically. Now I know that the kings didn't have the greatest season out there but they were still in the running for the last playoffs spot in the western conference until the very last month.

Huet can't cut it as a starter in Mtl. Hackett already did and Garon has been a much better back up last season than Huet has been for the kings. He's also 3 years younger than Huet and like I already said has the potential to be a starter in Mtl one day. I don't see Huet ever being a starting goalie in the league. And if Kings fans didn't feel the same way about Huet they wouldn't be asking for a swap.

i think you missed my underlying joke and point. i meant that hackett and garon aren't excellent goalies, maybe good and very good, but not excellent... joseph_balej called them excellent, where i believe they aren't.. my comment shouldn't have drawn a rundown of huet's shortcomings

Reaper45 05-13-2004 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by E = CH²
They are (or were) still much better than Huet has ever been and probably ever will be.

Huet 03-04
GAA : 2.43
Save% : 0.907
Record : 10-16-10
SO : 3

And that was supposed to be a good year for goalies statistically. Now I know that the kings didn't have the greatest season out there but they were still in the running for the last playoffs spot in the western conference until the very last month.

Huet can't cut it as a starter in Mtl. Hackett already did and Garon has been a much better back up last season than Huet has been for the kings. He's also 3 years younger than Huet and like I already said has the potential to be a starter in Mtl one day. I don't see Huet ever being a starting goalie in the league. And if Kings fans didn't feel the same way about Huet they wouldn't be asking for a swap.

And just think of the defense's playing in front of Huet, and those playing in front of Garon and Hackett. Me thinks the ones in Montreal have been better. . . . :teach:


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