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Svoboda crash 05-05-2010 10:06 PM

Team Canada's defense in 2014
 
I don't know if there has already been a subject about this, but I'd like to discuss about Team Canada's potential defensemen for 2014. It's simply ridiculous to see how much talent there will be. I can't even imagine how could any other country stop us.

Sure spot :

Duncan Keith (30 years old) He has already been a 1st pair defenseman for Team Canada in 2010.
Brent Seabrook (29 years old) Experienced Olympics with Keith.
Drew Doughty (24 years old) He'll probably have won 3 Norris at that moment !
Tyler Myers (24 years old) Has shown amazing stuff during his rookie season

Will fight for a spot :

Zach Bogosian (23 years old) Strong slap shot with great size.
Luke Schenn (24 years old) Could be a great guy in short ended and plays a great physical game.
P.K. Subban (24 years old) Maybe second best skating ability among these guys behind Doughty. (maybe Keith)
Alex Pietrangelo (24 years old) Didn't see him play
Marc Staal (27 years old) Same kind of player as Seabrook and Schenn.
Cam Fowler (22 years old) Depending on how he develops.
Chris Pronger (39 years old) Do we still need him ?

Would you see any other contenders ?

What's sure is that with a defensive roster like that, you cannot be beaten. We also have to keep in mind that we'll have Crosby, Stamkos, Tavares, Getzlaf and others up front.

NeverGoingToWin 05-05-2010 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Svoboda crash (Post 25652355)
I don't know if there has already been a subject about this, but I'd like to discuss about Team Canada's potential defensemen for 2014. It's simply ridiculous to see how much talent there will be. I can't even imagine how could any other country stop us.

Sure spot :

Duncan Keith (30 years old) He has already been a 1st pair defenseman for Team Canada in 2010.
Brent Seabrook (29 years old) Will he be good enough even if he plays well with Keith.
Drew Doughty (24 years old) He'll probably have won 3 Norris at that moment !
Tyler Myers (24 years old) Has shown amazing stuff during his rookie season

Will fight for a spot :

Zach Bogosian (23 years old) Strong slap shot with great size.
Luke Schenn (24 years old) Could be a great guy in short ended and plays a great physical game.
P.K. Subban (24 years old) Maybe second best skating ability among these guys behind Doughty. (maybe Keith)
Alex Pietrangelo (24 years old) Didn't see him play
Marc Staal (27 years old) Same kind of player as Seabrook and Schenn.
Cam Fowler (22 years old) Depending on how he develops.

Would you see any other contenders ?

What's sure is that with a defensive roster like that, you cannot be beaten. We also have to keep in mind that we'll have Crosby, Stamkos, Tavares, Getzlaf and others up front.

Americans.

ANTC 05-05-2010 10:09 PM

Del Zotto, green

NobodysFaulkButMine 05-05-2010 10:10 PM

Ummmm, Shea ****ing Weber anyone?

Edit: And Schenn =/= Staal =/= Seabrook

Double Edit: Just noticed this, Doughty > Subban > Keith skating-wise? :help:

Lehner 05-05-2010 10:14 PM

How is weber not on this list? wow... and 2 americans :help:

FoxMulder91* 05-05-2010 10:19 PM

Phaneuf and Bouwmeester have a chance if both can back to playing like they have in the past.

If Giordano continues to improve like he did this year he may have a chance to make the 2014 Canadian Olympic team.

It Kills Me 05-05-2010 10:28 PM

I wouldn't say Brent Seabrook is a sure spot, he should not have been on the team this year. What about M. Green?

Quicktimer 05-05-2010 10:29 PM

I'd edit that list ASAP.

finchster 05-05-2010 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heatley#15 (Post 25652391)
Americans.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fisher Catches Bass (Post 25652597)
How is weber not on this list? wow... and 2 americans :help:

To be fair Fowler was born in Windsor Ontario, so he is kinda Canadian ;)

Stick To Your Guns 05-05-2010 10:57 PM

HOMER VOTE ALERT. Maybe Cowen/Wiercoch can surprise some people but I highly doubt it.

Wham City 05-05-2010 11:10 PM

Keith - Doughty
Myers - Weber
Subban - Staal
Pietrangelo

That's my guess on D.

As for the rest

Hall-Crosby-Duchene
Staal-Getzlaf-Eberle
Kane-Stamkos-Giroux
Richards-Toews-Nash
Tavares

Ward
Fleury
Mason

obanga 05-05-2010 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finchster (Post 25653521)
To be fair Fowler was born in Windsor Ontario, so he is kinda Canadian ;)

But he moved to the US when he was young and has played for them on the international stage. :/

CamDegs13 05-05-2010 11:13 PM

Keith-Seabrook
Doughty-Myers
Weber-Green

I'm not good with pairings but I feel like those are gonna be the guys.

6 8 5 13 05-05-2010 11:21 PM

Dion Phaneuf has a real good chance if he can regain his previous form over the next few seasons (which I believe he will).

NeverGoingToWin 05-05-2010 11:23 PM

Mike Green will not be on the team.

We will also have 7 defenceman.

Sensfanman 05-05-2010 11:26 PM

I don't see Subban ever being better than Green at that style of game. Subban's going to have bring a lot more defense or else he'll just be a poor man's Green.

Therefore, any proposal with Subban over Green is very short sighted, if not naive.

le_sean 05-05-2010 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by familyguyman (Post 25654668)
I don't see Subban ever being better than Green at that style of game. Subban's going to have bring a lot more defense or else he'll just be a poor man's Green.

Therefore, any proposal with Subban over Green is very short sighted, if not naive.

Not to be a homer, but PK is 20 and is already a better one-on-one defender than Green.

Quagmier 05-05-2010 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by familyguyman (Post 25654668)
I don't see Subban ever being better than Green at that style of game. Subban's going to have bring a lot more defense or else he'll just be a poor man's Green.

Therefore, any proposal with Subban over Green is very short sighted, if not naive.

Not to say he should be there over Green, but Subban has already shown he can play defense-first hockey.

His play has been anything but offensive minded so far these playoffs, and his maturity in his own zone is what's impressing people the most so far.

But obviously he's being touted over Green at the moment because of Green's no show these playoffs and his hot start in the NHL...Green is a fine player and should figure out how to play hockey at both ends of the ice pretty soon.

Sensfanman 05-05-2010 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by le_sean (Post 25654774)
Not to be a homer, but PK is 20 and is already a better one-on-one defender than Green.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quagmier (Post 25654822)
Not to say he should be there over Green, but Subban has already shown he can play defense-first hockey.

His play has been anything but offensive minded so far these playoffs, and his maturity in his own zone is what's impressing people the most so far.

But obviously he's being touted over Green at the moment because of Green's no show these playoffs and his hot start in the NHL...Green is a fine player and should figure out how to play hockey at both ends of the ice pretty soon.

I've been watching and, while Subban has been damn impressive, I am very hesitant to put him on a big pedestal so quickly. I think he'll be a great player but I don't think he's a guy you'd take as a shut down guy and as a pure offensive guy, I don't think he'll be better than Green. Who knows what the GM will want to look for and, even more unknown, is how everyone will be playing/developed by then.

I think we more or less agree though :D

CuteHockeyBunny 05-05-2010 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by familyguyman (Post 25654668)
I don't see Subban ever being better than Green at that style of game. Subban's going to have bring a lot more defense or else he'll just be a poor man's Green.

Therefore, any proposal with Subban over Green is very short sighted, if not naive.

Poor man's Green?

Playoff stats

Mike Green
GP/Goals/Assists/Total Points/PIM
7 0 3 3 12

P.K. Subban
GP/Goals/Assists/Total Points/PIM
5 1 2 3 0

Screw the regular season.

Sensfanman 05-05-2010 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CuteHockeyBunny (Post 25654914)
Poor man's Green?

Playoff stats

Mike Green
GP/Goals/Assists/Total Points/PIM
7 0 3 3 1

P.K. Subban
GP/Goals/Assists/Total Points/PIM
5 1 2 3 0

Screw the regular season.

Oh look a highly selective 7 game sample size, how representative. Quickly, publish your super fast, super accurate stat technique, before someone else steals it! You could revolutionize the field!

v-man 05-05-2010 11:41 PM

I don't see how we'll be any better off than any other year. Schenn was really disappointing this year, and probably should have been in the AHL. Bogo, like already mentioned, is American, and was even worse than Schenn. Some of the other guys all depend on how they adjust to complete season's in the NHL. They are by no means a sure thing. Even guys like Seabrook and Keith, whom I'll admit, I don't see often, don't seem to live up to the hype. So will we have an awesome defense? Of course. Will it be ridiculously better than any other? I doubt it.

le_sean 05-05-2010 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by familyguyman (Post 25654904)
I've been watching and, while Subban has been damn impressive, I am very hesitant to put him on a big pedestal so quickly. I think he'll be a great player but I don't think he's a guy you'd take as a shut down guy and as a pure offensive guy, I don't think he'll be better than Green. Who knows what the GM will want to look for and, even more unknown, is how everyone will be playing/developed by then.

I think we more or less agree though :D

I agree that we should not put him on a pedestal just yet, but it is difficult to contain our excitement as Habs fans.

His offensive game is not near Green's, but I do see better progression in the defensive zone at the same age.

Who knows how either defenceman develops in the next 4 years. But to me Subban's personality combined with his work ethic makes him a perfect candidate as a 7th defenceman (if his development goes according to plan). We see how he is just thrown into this major role as a rookie and he's flourished. I'm not saying Green would not be capable of the same, but I think PK would be more than willing to embrace limited time on ice (if that is the case).

Sensfanman 05-06-2010 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by le_sean (Post 25655133)
I agree that we should not put him on a pedestal just yet, but it is difficult to contain our excitement as Habs fans.

His offensive game is not near Green's, but I do see better progression in the defensive zone at the same age.

Who knows how either defenceman develops in the next 4 years. But to me Subban's personality combined with his work ethic makes him a perfect candidate as a 7th defenceman (if his development goes according to plan). We see how he is just thrown into this major role as a rookie and he's flourished. I'm not saying Green would not be capable of the same, but I think PK would be more than willing to embrace limited time on ice (if that is the case).

That's a good point. Kid seems like a winner and also a guy you'd want to have a beer with. And I suppose it'd be hypocritical of me to criticize Subban after what has been said about Karlsson by us Sens fans haha. Enjoy him Habs fans!

NeverGoingToWin 05-06-2010 12:07 AM

I know somebody is going to bump this in 4 years so I want to see how close I was.

Weber - Keith
Myers - Doughty

3 players that nobody would even think of being on the team at this time. I hope we have another Doughty in 2014.


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