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bmoak 05-12-2004 10:38 PM

Rangers' Top 20 Prospects POLL (#12)
 
THIS POLL IS CLOSED. PLEASE MOVE ON TO POLL #13.

Well, Pee-Wee Dawes has built up a giant lead for the #11 spot, so I'll declare him the winner and start the next poll. If you haven't voted for #11, please do so as the poll will close tomorrow morning.

The Rangers' propsect rankings are as follows:

1) Fedor Tjutin
2) Henrik Lundqvist
3) Josef Balej
4) Hugh Jessiman
5) Thomas Pock
6) Petr Prucha
7) Maxim Kondratiev
8) Jarkko Immonen
9) Ivan Baranka
10) Garth Murray
11) Nigel Dawes

Who is the Rangers' #12 Prospect?











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bmoak 05-12-2004 10:58 PM

I plan to add 4 more guys to this poll after this round. Rather than listen to people ***** about the 4 I choose, I would like everyone voting in the poll to list the 4 prospects they would like to see in the poll next.

Please limit your list to only 4 prospects. Please don't name prospects that you have no intention of voting for in the top 20.

Here's the sueggested short list:

Lee Falardeau
Nate Guenin
Ryan Hollweg
Rick Kozak
Greg Moore
Cory Potter
Rory Rawlyk
Dylan Reese
Ken Roche
Juris Stals

The following players are ineligible:

Betts, Blackburn, LaBarabera, Marek, Nycholat

bmoak 05-12-2004 11:01 PM

Since I voted, I'll list my 4: Roche, Falardeau, Moore, Guenin.

jas 05-12-2004 11:02 PM

I'd say Moore, Kozak, Guenin and Roche.

Son of Steinbrenner 05-12-2004 11:04 PM

Kozak Falardeau Moore Roche

trash sather all you want but he has rebuilt the farm system.

Blueshirt13 05-12-2004 11:43 PM

Moore, Kozak, Hollweg and Roche.

nyr5186 05-13-2004 12:26 AM

Voted for Liffiton. I think he's somewhat underrated right now because he wasnt drafted by the Rangers and we dont necessarily know too much about him. I bet that if we had drafted him this past summer in the 2nd round instead of Baranka, and if the Avs drafted Baranka in the 2nd and later traded him to New York in the Barnaby deal, we'd be thinking just as high if not higher about Liffiton than we are of Baranka.

Add G. Moore, R. Hollweg, R. Kozak and L. Falardeau to the list.

Barnaby 05-13-2004 01:22 AM

Definately Liffiton - this guy is dropping too much. I wouldn't be surprised to see him develop into a big solid #4 defenseman. I think that this time next year, he'll be a top 5-6 prospect for our team.

As for the four prospects:

Nate Guenin
Ryan Hollweg
Greg Moore
Ken Roche

xander 05-13-2004 01:22 AM

kozac, more, stals, farlardeu

Bacchus 05-13-2004 07:03 AM

To add: Roche, Falardeau, Moore, Guenin.

Vito Andolini 05-13-2004 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Son of Steinbrenner
trash sather all you want but he has rebuilt the farm system.

Yea, it must be really really difficult to build a solid prospect depth when you miss the playoffs for all 4 of your seasons.
HAIL SATHER :banghead:

BTW, Roche, Moore, Kozak, Geunin

BDubinskyNYR17* 05-13-2004 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vito Andolini
Yea, it must be really really difficult to build a solid prospect depth when you miss the playoffs for all 4 of your seasons.
HAIL SATHER :banghead:

BTW, Roche, Moore, Kozak, Geunin


Where is Craig Weller??? How come he is not on the list? He is currently playing for the Wolfpack and just turned 23 and still a prospect. He was one of the most improved players I believe and can play LW and Defense. He has pretty good size too. Can he make the Rangers in the future?? He has the same stats for the Wolfpack as Tyutin did in the reg season and not that far from him in the playoffs. Im not comparing him in anyway, but u think maybe Weller can replace Purinton or Bouchard as the Rangers 7th dman in future??? I feel he will surprise people.

pld459666 05-13-2004 08:59 AM

I think that folks are missing the boat on
 
Lampman

The combination of skills this kid has is going to help develope him into a decent player.

pld459666 05-13-2004 09:12 AM

Imagine what he could have done had he kept all of his picks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vito Andolini
Yea, it must be really really difficult to build a solid prospect depth when you miss the playoffs for all 4 of your seasons.
HAIL SATHER :banghead:

BTW, Roche, Moore, Kozak, Geunin


and not gambled on on guys like Farlarlarlarlarlardue and Hugh Jessopman

that would be one sweet system.

E-Train 05-13-2004 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pld459666
Lampman

The combination of skills this kid has is going to help develope him into a decent player.


I agree big time on Lampman. If he adds 10 lbs of muscle and maintains his mobility he will be a steady NHL defender for years to come. I though he showed plenty of poise especially in the first 4-5 games he played in the NHL.

Not a top talent but I see a #4-6 NHL defenseman in a few years.

For this poll I am going with Liffiton.

Larry Melnyk 05-13-2004 09:14 AM

I think Moore, Liffiton and Giroux are all dropping too much but that is only one fan's opinions and what makes this pretty fun....Gotta go for MOORE once again, then Giroux..then Lifiton...

As for the 4 new candidates - Hollweg, Moore, Reese, Roche and Potter...I know that's 5, but I just couldn't make up my mind....

And anybody know whatever happend to that College UFA we supposedley signed from Niagra University?

Fletch 05-13-2004 09:14 AM

NYR4life...
 
if anything, Liffiton's overrated because he wasn't drafted by the Rangers (rather the Avs, which overrates him further). I admit to knowing little about the kid, but do find it hard to believe the Avs would give up a hot prospect for Barnaby.

True Blue 05-13-2004 09:28 AM

On Lampman,
I think that the kid could be a Lefebvre-type of a defenseman in a few years. Not the Rangers version, rather the Avalanche version. But again, he must be given a chance to develop.
On Liffiton,
He has nothing to do with overhyping. It is a fact that he was taken in 2nd round of a draft that was purported to have 1st round talent in the 3rd round. He is a big crease clearer. Why would the Avs give him up? He WAS their #5 prospect. Could be they have something better or could be they thought that Matty would solidify their team. And let's face it, Matty did very well for them. He was fighting, scoring, agitating, hitting....the usual Barnaby thing. Had they gone on in the playoffs, he would have been looked upon as a pretty significant acquisition. I think that this board in general may have ovelooked the value that Matty may have. He has raised his value significatnly over the last several years. Think of it, was there a player on the 'Lanche that played the bottom 2 lines that was better than Matty since he was traded there? Not really. Mayhaps that is worth a 2nd round pick.

SingnBluesOnBroadway 05-13-2004 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch
if anything, Liffiton's overrated because he wasn't drafted by the Rangers (rather the Avs, which overrates him further). I admit to knowing little about the kid, but do find it hard to believe the Avs would give up a hot prospect for Barnaby.


I don't know. The Avs still have Liles, Vaananen and Boychuk (and they did trade Ballard). It seems to me that teams that feels they have a chance at the Cup make trades to get the pieces they feel they need. So, the fact that the Avs were willing to give up Liffiton to get Barnaby does not say as much to me as it seems like it does to you. You also don't know what other teams were in the running for Barnaby and what other teams were offering.

bmoak 05-13-2004 09:55 AM

Quick note, I'm going to be on the road all day today., so I'm going to let this go until late tonight. Please keep the suggestions for the next 4 prospects to add in coming.

I'm glad I'm running this poll. I'm learning a lot about our organizational depth and doing more research than I normally would.

Once I add the next 4 guys, we'll have a total of 12 prospects on the poll fighting it out for a total of 8 remaining spots in the top 20. Think about that: 4 of the guys on the list will not make the top 20. And after the draft, I expect 3-5 more names that we're voting on to drop out of the top 20.

When was the last time we had anything like this much organizational depth? I was down on our organization earlier in the year, being 29th an all. We still lack high end first-tier prospects, but I don't think there's another team that can match us for depth of second-tier prospects.

in the hall 05-13-2004 09:56 AM

someone needs to tell me how and why Walsh, Taylor and Moore are there ahead of Roche


Roche clearly is the better player and has the better upside

in the hall 05-13-2004 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch
if anything, Liffiton's overrated because he wasn't drafted by the Rangers (rather the Avs, which overrates him further). I admit to knowing little about the kid, but do find it hard to believe the Avs would give up a hot prospect for Barnaby.

they gave up Vrbata for Worrell

BDubinskyNYR17* 05-13-2004 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by in the hall
they gave up Vrbata for Worrell

no they did not. They gave up Nedorost for Worrell, and Vrbata for Battaglia. Either way they gave up 2 young players for a solid 3rd liner and a goon. If Battaglia is RFA and not qualified by Caps, id sign him for some LW help.


11-Mar-03: Colorado Avalanche traded Radim Vrbata to the Carolina Hurricanes for Bates Battaglia.

19-Jul-03: Colorado Avalanche traded Eric Messier and Vaclav Nedorost to the Florida Panthers for Peter Worrell and a 2nd round selection in 2004.

allrevvedup25 05-13-2004 10:11 AM

Voted for Liffiton.

My four would be Nate Guenin, Ryan Hollweg, Rick Kozak, Cory Potter

SingnBluesOnBroadway 05-13-2004 10:12 AM

Taylor, G. Moore, Kozak, and Roche


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