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GopherState 05-18-2010 10:28 AM

5/18 Discussion - Should the NHL change their lottery?
 
There's really no Wild news to discuss and I'm holding off on a few topics until the draft nears. So in lieu of the Timberwolves finding a way to fall to the fifth pick in tonight's draft lottery (because it's not as if that franchise ever had any luck), let's just go with something simple.

With all the talk of tanking that goes on, should the NHL have a larger lottery? Right now only the top five teams have an opportunity to get the number one pick and the 30th place team has a 50% chance of retaining the number one pick. If you do believe the lottery should be larger, how should they do it (have all teams eligible for the #1 pick, multiple positions are decided, better odds, etc.)?

mnwildgophers 05-18-2010 11:13 AM

I voted no. I think that the way it is set up is rather fair. Only the top 5 teams get a chance at the #1 pick which I think is a good thing. A team that almost missed out on the playoffs has a chance to get the "arguably" best player in the draft? I don't think that's fair to the team's that really need the help.

OT:
I'll be ecstatic if the Wolves get even the one of the top 2 picks, but knowing our luck, we'll drop down to 5 like Gopher said.

GopherState 05-18-2010 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mnwildgophers (Post 25882512)
OT:
I'll be ecstatic if the Wolves get even the one of the top 2 picks, but knowing our luck, we'll drop down to 5 like Gopher said.

They can't even get the #1 pick messing around with the ESPN Draft Lottery. Seriously, it took me 19 times for the Wolves to get the top pick (with 1 in 5 odds) and they only got the second pick three times.

Messing around (Wolves draft position):
-2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 5th, 2nd, 4th, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 4th, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 4th, 1st.

#1 pick (by team)
-New Jersey (5), Golden State (3), Sacramento (2), Detroit (2), Washington, Philadelphia (2), Utah, Toronto, LA Clippers, Minnesota.

bsl 05-18-2010 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mnwildgophers (Post 25882512)
I voted no. I think that the way it is set up is rather fair. Only the top 5 teams get a chance at the #1 pick which I think is a good thing. A team that almost missed out on the playoffs has a chance to get the "arguably" best player in the draft? I don't think that's fair to the team's that really need the help.


OT:
I'll be ecstatic if the Wolves get even the one of the top 2 picks, but knowing our luck, we'll drop down to 5 like Gopher said.

No way buddy! I disagree, and I agree with the originator of this post. Freindly Habs fan here, a bit bored, waiting for game 2 against Filthy. (Let's not even go there)

BTW I always loved the North Stars, and I like the Wild too. Pretty sure I saw the North Stars at least twice at the Forum...they were never an easy win, not even in the early expansion days.

And you had some **** luck with picks too..Lawton if I remember? Bummer.

The lottery is awful as it stands and I've posted on this before. So has Mike farber at Sports Illustrated.

It is grossly unfair to award the worst teams year after year with the best picks. ****sburgh Penguins anyone?

Simple as: Teams 17-30 get the same chance at the lottery.

You probably guess that as a Habs fan I hate the lottery. All Habs fans do, and we should.

Thanks NHL, we'll bust our ***** year after year to finish 8th and 9th, and never ever see the likes of Ovy for it.

It's just wrong in every way, and the NHL should change it to help perennial hard working teams like Habs and the Wild..

Good luck to the Wild next year!

BSL

GopherState 05-18-2010 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bsl (Post 25883269)
No way buddy! I disagree, and I agree with the originator of this post. Freindly Habs fan here, a bit bored, waiting for game 2 against Filthy. (Let's not even go there)

BTW I always loved the North Stars, and I like the Wild too. Pretty sure I saw the North Stars at least twice at the Forum...they were never an easy win, not even in the early expansion days.

And you had some **** luck with picks too..Lawton if I remember? Bummer.

The lottery is awful as it stands and I've posted on this before. So has Mike farber at Sports Illustrated.

It is grossly unfair to award the worst teams year after year with the best picks. ****sburgh Penguins anyone?

Simple as: Teams 17-30 get the same chance at the lottery.

You probably guess that as a Habs fan I hate the lottery. All Habs fans do, and we should.

Thanks NHL, we'll bust our ***** year after year to finish 8th and 9th, and never ever see the likes of Ovy for it.

It's just wrong in every way, and the NHL should change it to help perennial hard working teams like Habs and the Wild..

Good luck to the Wild next year!

BSL

You don't know what I think because I haven't posted what my thoughts. For all you know, I agree with mnwildgophers and am fine with the draft lottery.

We like the North Stars too but they are dead. This is Wild country now.

That's not bad luck, that's just bad drafting since that was the #1 overall. No lottery is going to help that out regardless.

I'm sure you have and I know Mike Farber has too.

Why even have a draft if the worst teams have an opportunity to rebuild?

**** Communism

I bet there's at least one Habs fan who likes the lottery. I mean, it's not like they've had a chance to win it in the last decade. Other than the Price pick in the Sidney Crosby lottery, the Habs highest draft position is what, 7th?

If you want Ovy, then tank and run the team out of town.

The Wild are a hard-working team? I mean, I guess that's true but they keep picking busts around 9-12. That's their own fault, not the NHLs.

Thanks. Good luck to the Habs against "Filthy!"

GopherState

Jarick 05-18-2010 12:55 PM

I like the concept, fans with an awful team should have something to look forward to.

Using points is bogus for rankings though. Get this, the NY Rangers finished ONE POINT out of the playoffs...yet they get the 10th pick. Meanwhile the Wild finished ELEVEN POINTS out of the playoffs and got the 9th pick. What kind of **** is that?

They should instead go by conference ranking with points as the tie-breaker. The top 14 would have looked like this:

1. Oilers
2. Leafs
3. Panthers
4. Blue Jackets
5. Islanders
6. Wild
7. Lightning
8. Stars
9. Hurricanes
10. Ducks
11. Thrashers
12. Flames
13. Rangers
14. Blues

That way you're not punished for being a better team in a better conference.

I'd also like to see them do more of a lottery. Yes, you can tank and still get guaranteed a #1 or #2 pick. Make it so you can drop all the way to #5. Or do the top 6 teams, then the next 8. Make it more random.

I'm not sure how they rank teams based on playoff round exits, but each team that loses in each round should have an equal shot at the next pick. So Detroit, Vancouver, Pittsburgh, and Boston would all have one ball in the lotto machine and draw it like that.

Anyways, that's my take. I think it's dumb to just use standings to figure out the draft rankings and it should be more random so people aren't tanking and for us fans with a crap team to be able to have a chance to improve rather than be on the bubble all the time.

BigT2002 05-18-2010 04:12 PM

Its better than the NFL all ic an tell ya

GopherState 05-18-2010 09:47 PM

So after the Wolves failed yet once again to move up in the draft (it's like clockwork), here's my idea:

Personally, I like the NHL draft lottery more than the NBA draft lottery. There's a set limit on how far a team can move up and it doesn't overly punish the worst teams in the league; however it can be too lax at times as the 30th place team has a 50-50 shot at the #1 pick and can't finish worse than second. That's why I suggest that the second slot is also put into play as it gives another team an opportunity to move (although no more than five slots) and the 30th place team can still pick third (something which can be beneficial yet discourage tanking).

Goldy 05-18-2010 10:08 PM

The point of the draft is to help the bad teams more than the good teams. Unlike the NBA, which doesn't care, the NHL recognizes this. The maximum 5 slot improvement is insurance against a team tanking it solely to target the top pick. The current system works fine. The NBA system is a joke.


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