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Roamin 05-19-2010 01:08 PM

Hockey Canada defends Crosby; IIHF deletes controversial article
 
Just wanted to post this incase it hasn't been yet.

http://www.iihf.com/sk/channels10/ii...ash=08728f0ea7

good read about players ditching the worlds for anyone who's also bored this morning at work.


Sorry, fixed.

Buck Aki Berg 05-19-2010 01:25 PM

Linkie no workie.

This thread is now about ceiling cats.

http://www.freyacat.co.uk/wp-content...at-Picture.jpg

jkrx 05-19-2010 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roamin (Post 25902725)
Just wanted to post this incase it hasn't been yet.

http://www.iihf.com/channels10/iihf-...ash=3e7dceb79e

good read about players ditching the worlds for anyone who's also bored this morning at work.

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Flicktron 05-19-2010 01:26 PM

Ridiculous, why can't someone take time off after the playoffs without being thrown to the wolves?...

http://www.iihf.com/nc/home-of-hocke...r-country.html

Eband00 05-19-2010 01:39 PM

Has to do with the pride you have...

Russians are extremely proud and patritotic people. Thats why they never say no to play for the motherland...

As for other countries....

Drake1588 05-19-2010 01:42 PM

That this is on the IIHF website is not really all that surprising.

Let's not make this more than it is, which is a sporting event. You aren't turning your back on your country. You aren't shirking military service. You are opting out of a sporting event, and another countryman is taking your place. It's not a war.

We all watch, and we all enjoy the game, but it is at the end of the day just that: A game. The melodrama is a bit rich.

What this is about is that many players don't think the World Championships are a particularly big deal, certainly when compared to the Olympics or the Stanley Cup, and IIHF disgruntlement at this perception.

mrb91 05-19-2010 01:48 PM

As much as I would like to play I am sure if i had done it before, just played months of tough hockey, been way from my family for long stretches of time, and had my year ended in the playoffs after hoping to win the Stanley Cup I am sure I would have some reservations.

Roamin 05-19-2010 01:50 PM

I just can't believe how many players the article says declined. 100?
I wouldn't have ever guessed it was that many.

I Hate Chris Butler 05-19-2010 01:55 PM

# I am tired.
# I am not motivated, and I am thus of no use to the team.
# I am injured (…but had my team advanced to the next round of the playoffs I would have played)
# I don’t want to leave my family. Three weeks is an awfully long time away from home.
# I have no contract for next season. If I am injured, my career is in jeopardy.

All of these are legitimate reasons. I'd rather spend 3 weeks with my family than in Germany. I'd also much rather risk playing with something torn in the Stanley Cup Finals than I would for the IIHF.

That said, complaining about them not going is just as bad as complaining about the ones who did go. No one's ever happy.

Inkling 05-19-2010 02:00 PM

The IIHF should be taking messages from this situation, not sending them out, and they should be selling the tournament, not slamming those who refuse to participate.

jkrx 05-19-2010 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flicktron (Post 25903001)
Ridiculous, why can't someone take time off after the playoffs without being thrown to the wolves?...

http://www.iihf.com/nc/home-of-hocke...r-country.html

You clearly didnt read the article. He also writing about people who havent played in the playoffs or been resting for a month who says no.

bigdirty 05-19-2010 02:03 PM

I understand how big the WC is in Europe, but this writer really doesn't seem to understand that in Canada and the USA, this tournament is a consolation prize at best.

If you polled North American players I am sure that 0% would say they want to play in this tournament.
That's just how it is, guys here will hide injuries and fight through pain for the Stanley Cup, but once that hope ends, they might rather rest for next season, rather than risk further injury.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkrx (Post 25903539)
He also writing about people who havent played in the playoffs or been resting for a month who says no.

Personally, I don't care what anyone's reason for not playing is, they've been through enough during the season, and they do have lives outside of hockey.

KaylaJ 05-19-2010 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C For Choke (Post 25903462)
# I am tired.
# I am not motivated, and I am thus of no use to the team.
# I am injured (…but had my team advanced to the next round of the playoffs I would have played)
# I don’t want to leave my family. Three weeks is an awfully long time away from home.
# I have no contract for next season. If I am injured, my career is in jeopardy.

All of these are legitimate reasons. I'd rather spend 3 weeks with my family than in Germany. I'd also much rather risk playing with something torn in the Stanley Cup Finals than I would for the IIHF.

That said, complaining about them not going is just as bad as complaining about the ones who did go. No one's ever happy.

yeah, i thought that injury one was a pretty low blow myself and just ignorant.



Quote:

Originally Posted by jkrx (Post 25903539)
You clearly didnt read the article. He also writing about people who havent played in the playoffs or been resting for a month who says no.

no, he seems to be pointing fingers all around. for example he brings up nicklas backstrom who he says is "suddenly injured"

Roamin 05-19-2010 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drake1588 (Post 25903262)
That this is on the IIHF website is not really all that surprising.

Let's not make this more than it is, which is a sporting event. You aren't turning your back on your country. You aren't shirking military service. You are opting out of a sporting event, and another countryman is taking your place. It's not a war.

We all watch, and we all enjoy the game, but it is at the end of the day just that: A game. The melodrama is a bit rich.

What this is about is that many players don't think the World Championships are a particularly big deal, certainly when compared to the Olympics or the Stanley Cup, and IIHF disgruntlement at this perception.

Tell that to the South African Springbok.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XwcCaGvh9A

Tim McCracken 05-19-2010 02:14 PM

How can it be the World Hockey Championships when not all of the best players in the world can attend due to playoff obligations? I watch tons of hockey but don't give this one the time of day. It's only slightly higher on the relevancy scale than the Spengler Cup for me.

Since this is actually posted on the IIHF website, the North American NHL players should show how stupid the article is, and the IIHF is for posting it, by not showing up at all next year. If the Euros value it so much they can have it. Who cares.

Sky04 05-19-2010 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdirty (Post 25903570)
Personally, I don't care what anyone's reason for not playing is, they've been through enough during the season, and they do have lives outside of hockey.

This, hockey players get what? 3 months a year to themselves and their families? Unless I had nothing better to do, I wouldn't waste 3 weeks or 25% of my total vacation time playing a meaningless tournament.

Drake1588 05-19-2010 02:16 PM

If the IIHF is serious about improving participation, start the tournament in early July each year. Otherwise, don't lament that many countries are sending their B or C teams.

Roamin 05-19-2010 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdirty (Post 25903570)
I understand how big the WC is in Europe, but this writer really doesn't seem to understand that in Canada and the USA, this tournament is a consolation prize at best.

If you polled North American players I am sure that 0% would say they want to play in this tournament.
That's just how it is, guys here will hide injuries and fight through pain for the Stanley Cup, but once that hope ends, they might rather rest for next season, rather than risk further injury.



Personally, I don't care what anyone's reason for not playing is, they've been through enough during the season, and they do have lives outside of hockey.

and on the flip side of that some people say "I don't care what the players cry about or refuse, they get paid too much/enough to do it" and yada yada yada.

My 2cents on this is, if you love hockey, you want to rep your country, you go play.
if you don't, then you don't but don't throw dumb excuses into the wind.

TIRED is not an excuse.
this is what they live for, train for, and love.

Roamin 05-19-2010 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim McCracken (Post 25903731)
How can it be the World Hockey Championships when not all of the best players in the world can attend due to playoff obligations? I watch tons of hockey but don't give this one the time of day. It's only slightly higher on the relevancy scale than the Spengler Cup for me.

Since this is actually posted on the IIHF website, the North American NHL players should show how stupid the article is, and the IIHF is for posting it, by not showing up at all next year. If the Euros value it so much they can have it. Who cares.

thanks for not reading it.

hatterson 05-19-2010 02:24 PM

"I am injured (…but had my team advanced to the next round of the playoffs I would have played)"

I consider that a perfectly legit reason.

Players miss regular season games with injuries that they would have played through in the playoffs. It comes down to how important the games are. The playoffs are as important as it gets, it's what you play your entire life for.

The issue here is that the WC thinks it's actually a major best-on-best tournament. It simply isn't.

There's plenty of other tournaments that happen where players don't go mainly because the tournament isn't important...but they don't get mentioned.

If the IIHF wants to have the WCs be a major event for NHL players they need to adjust the schedule so that all of them can participate.


Also, yes I understand that "players don't go because it's not important" is a self-fulfilling prophecy. But it's not reasonable to rag on players for not participating in something that doesn't matter simple because the teams are divided up based on where you were born.

Roamin 05-19-2010 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sky04 (Post 25903779)
This, hockey players get what? 3 months a year to themselves and their families? Unless I had nothing better to do, I wouldn't waste 3 weeks or 25% of my total vacation time playing a meaningless tournament.

I guess you don't love hockey that much.

bigdirty 05-19-2010 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roamin (Post 25903881)
and on the flip side of that some people say "I don't care what the players cry about or refuse, they get paid too much/enough to do it" and yada yada yada.

My 2cents on this is, if you love hockey, you want to rep your country, you go play.
if you don't, then you don't but don't throw dumb excuses into the wind.

TIRED is not an excuse.
this is what they live for, train for, and love.

This is exactly what I disagree with.
Sadly, there is no hope for legitimate discussion here. You made that very clear with some of your other posts in this thread:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roamin (Post 25903881)
I guess you don't love hockey that much.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roamin (Post 25903881)
thanks for not reading it.

What did you really think you were accomplishing here?

Bottom line is, NA players aren't always going to extend their season even longer just because Europeans have decided this tournament is supposed to mean a lot.

Drake1588 05-19-2010 02:36 PM

It's mutual disregard, too. This does not get said enough.

When Europeans schedule their tournament to overlap with the Stanley Cup playoffs, they are saying that they don't really care if the US and Canada send their best teams to the World Championships.

This is a tournament for players in the European leagues. Its annual scheduling is an insult to the NHL. Whenever it is held in North America, I would support a delay until the NHL is finished play.

um 05-19-2010 02:43 PM

i really repect players who suit up for there teams shows that they love there country but more importantly that they just love hockey and they wanna play

octopi 05-19-2010 02:44 PM

I'm not here to judge.

Think about it: Would you feel like flying over to possibly a different continent to play in a tournament consisting of 2nd tier players and other guys who teams have been knocked out?

Russia does indeed get a very good representation every year as opposed to some countries, but 8 or so years ago, players were quite disgruntled with the hierarchy so not so much.


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