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not quite yoda 05-27-2010 02:58 AM

The MEGA cap friendly contract (Halak or Price)
 
So how do we fit Plekanec and our number 1 under the cap and continue to be competitive next year?

Now just to be clear I propose we do this to ONE of the goalies, not both. The other would be dealt to fill another hole.

The Halak version.

the 40 year old contract
year age actual salary

1 26 4
2 27 6
3 28 6.5
4 29 6.5
5 30 6.5
6 31 6
7 32 6
8 33 4
9 34 3
10 35 3
11 36 3
12 37 3
13 38 1
14 39 1
15 40 1
15 years 60.5 million total
4.03 avg cap hit


OR for the rest of you

The Price version
the 40 year old contract

year age actual salary
1 23 2.5
2 24 2.5
3 25 3
4 26 4
5 27 6
6 28 6.5
7 29 6.5
8 30 6.5
9 31 6
10 32 6
11 33 4
12 34 3
13 35 3
14 36 3
15 37 3
16 38 1
17 39 1
18 40 1
18 years 68.5 total
3.8 avg




...of course in the last 3 years of each deal they make only 1 million a year so (much like the Hossa contract) it is designed to be able to buy them out for the last three years for only 0.66M$ for each season.

It's a gamble that he stays that good for that long but the cap friendly hit makes it worth it in my opinion.

Please note that Luongo, Zetterberg, Hossa and Richards all have these types of contracts. So if you believe in one of these guys... why not?

Sebaldian 05-27-2010 03:12 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by not quite yoda (Post 26018678)
Please note that Luongo, Zetterberg, Hossa and Richards all have these types of contracts. So if you believe in one of these guys... why not?

You honestly can't see the difference here?

uiCk 05-27-2010 03:16 AM

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not quite yoda 05-27-2010 03:26 AM

Well I say keep Halak.I think Halak is as good a goalie right now as Lundqvist and is better than Luongo (who in my opinion is way overrated). If you believe one of these guys is a bonafide number 1 goalie I think the cap hit I am proposing warrants the contract.

If you believe in Price like Bob Gainey does, then again I say do it. If you re that sure he is that good then why not. I do not see Price in the same light as some do but a 3.8 million$ cap hit is really not that bad.

Look at the cap hit other number 1 goalies have.

Lundqvist is 6.875M$
Kiprussof is 5.83M$
Luongo is 5.33M$
Backstrom is 6M$
Ward is 6.33M$


I think my cap hit is much more favorable than these and we ve have him locked up throughout his prime at an affordable rate. Are you suggesting we pay him one of these numbers instead? I think Halak is better than Kiprussof, Luongo and backstrom right now.

I say Yes, given our cap situation it s a risk but one worth taking. On Halak that is.

not quite yoda 05-27-2010 03:44 AM

We are paying Andrei Kostitsyn a 3.25M$ cap hit. What I am proposing for Halak is only 0.75M$ more (Half of Laraque's salary). And we'd have him locked up through his prime and his unrestricted years.

coolasprICE 05-27-2010 05:51 AM

ha! ...... No.

not quite yoda 05-27-2010 06:24 AM

you know i hear some "no" and see some facepalms and some "lol" but i don t see any arguments or reasoning why this is such a bad idea.

i know it s aggressive and progressive thinking but that doesn t necessarily make it a stupid idea.

GlorifiedMe 05-27-2010 06:27 AM

If you don't know why this is a bad idea, ask an Islanders fan.

not quite yoda 05-27-2010 06:30 AM

Dipietro is injury prone. Are Halak or Price injury prone?

does Dipietro being injury prone make Chicago's GM a retard for signing Hossa at a great cap hit? and Vancouver's GM is stupid for locking up Luongo?

Oh and Ken Holland in Detroit, we know he is a ********* for holding on to Zetterberg.

Doughty is probably going to get locked up in one of these soon, heaven forbid he has Bobby Orr's knees!

Sebaldian 05-27-2010 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by not quite yoda (Post 26019243)
Dipietro is injury prone. Are Halak or Price injury prone?

does Dipietro being injury prone make Chicago's GM a retard for signing Hossa at a great cap hit? and Vancouver's GM is stupid for locking up Luongo?

Oh and Ken Holland in Detroit, we know he is a ********* for holding on to Zetterberg.

Doughty is probably going to get locked up in one of these soon, heaven forbid he has Bobby Orr's knees!

All of those players proved their worth over multiple seasons with consistency. They were all awarded long contracts as UFA's. I'm not sure why you can't see the difference.

not quite yoda 05-27-2010 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the vinyl version (Post 26019288)
All of those players proved their worth over multiple seasons with consistency. They were all awarded long contracts as UFA's. I'm not sure why you can't see the difference.

It makes no difference whether the guy is a RFA or a UFA. If we can make his RFA years more cap friendly, good. Luongo didn't proove crap in Long Island or Florida. It was all about potential. And he may have been the no1 when Vancouver got to the 2nd round in back to back years, but it wasn't thanks to him. It was in spite of him. Canada did not win the gold thanks to Luongo's great play. He was average at best. In both Vancouver and Canada's cases he had a strong team in front of him. Luongo has never proven to be elite.

A 4 million$ cap hit through Halak's prime IS A GREAT DEAL. You know he is going to be good.

Are you saying that Halak's regular season and playoff are a fluke and he isn't a solid number 1? If so no one should trade anything good to us. He hasn't proven himself over multiple seasons.

felixd 05-27-2010 07:49 AM

Contracts like these are going to be eliminated in the next CBA. The Isles already had a ton of issues getting an insurance company to pick up DiPietro's contract.

Anyways, the reason why this is a bad idea is it gives us absolutely no flexibility. What if the goalie becomes bad or injury prone? No way to get rid of him with that 15 year contract. You can't trade him, no team will pick that up. Can't buy him out, you're stuck with that cap hit for twice the length of the remaining contract. Only solution is to bury him in the AHL, but what owner really wants to be paying ~4M for a guy in the AHL for the next 10 years.

I say 5 years absolute max for either goalie. Ideally 3 years.

tiz 05-27-2010 08:18 AM

See: DiPietro, Rick

Monctonscout 05-27-2010 08:26 AM

Signing a goalie long term like that is a lot more risky than a skater.

Jiggernaut 05-27-2010 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by not quite yoda (Post 26019243)
does Dipietro being injury prone make Chicago's GM a retard for signing Hossa at a great cap hit? and Vancouver's GM is stupid for locking up Luongo?

Oh and Ken Holland in Detroit, we know he is a ********* for holding on to Zetterberg.

Like someone already said, LOL Wut?

Hossa had proved himself to be a solid forward for 9 seasons prior to his signing.

Luongo has played in over 60+ games for the last 8 seasons with a .915+SV% over that span.

Even Zetterberg had 4 seasons of 30+ goals and an average of over 70+ points. Not to mention his playoff performances in 08 and 09.

Now you think it's smart to sign Halak to a similar deal with his 101 games of regular season experience, with 45 games being his max? Is he able to carry the load for 60+ games in the regular season like Bobby Lu? Or has his 9-9 playoff record this year convinced you? There was talk on how he was worn out in this years playoffs.

So by your standards, Phoenix should have locked up Peter Meuller to a 15 year deal for a cap friendly 4 million a year, after his rookie season right?

And man, Columbus was stupid for not signing Leclair to a 10 year deal after that 07/08 season! 9 shut-outs! Get him signed to 10 years now before you have to pay 6 million a year for this guy!

LA is stupid to sign Quick to a 3 year deal instead of a 15 year deal, right?

neofury* 05-27-2010 09:12 AM

In almost every case where a goalie gets a contract like this or similar, it's fail. Lengthy contract with young goalie = fail.

Ozymandias 05-27-2010 09:29 AM

Epic

not quite yoda 05-27-2010 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiggernaut (Post 26019809)
Like someone already said, LOL Wut?

Hossa had proved himself to be a solid forward for 9 seasons prior to his signing.

Luongo has played in over 60+ games for the last 8 seasons with a .915+SV% over that span.

Even Zetterberg had 4 seasons of 30+ goals and an average of over 70+ points. Not to mention his playoff performances in 08 and 09.

Now you think it's smart to sign Halak to a similar deal with his 101 games of regular season experience, with 45 games being his max? Is he able to carry the load for 60+ games in the regular season like Bobby Lu? Or has his 9-9 playoff record this year convinced you? There was talk on how he was worn out in this years playoffs.

So by your standards, Phoenix should have locked up Peter Meuller to a 15 year deal for a cap friendly 4 million a year, after his rookie season right?

And man, Columbus was stupid for not signing Leclair to a 10 year deal after that 07/08 season! 9 shut-outs! Get him signed to 10 years now before you have to pay 6 million a year for this guy!

LA is stupid to sign Quick to a 3 year deal instead of a 15 year deal, right?

Quick, Leclaire and Mueller all have different skill levels from one other. Skill level needs to be taken into consideration in determining length and value of contract. Halak is by far superior to leclaire or Quick. Apples and clementines.

Gary320 05-27-2010 12:08 PM

Both goalies are RFAs. I think both goalies are going to make sure the contract runs up until they are UFA's.

I really do not think they will sign long term deals of that size. They know if they have better years infront of them = $$$ when they become UFAs.

Daice 05-27-2010 12:14 PM

4 mil cap hit for 14 years seems really fair considering what halak gave us. Op isnt crazy





























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Ginu 05-27-2010 12:18 PM

post of the year :laugh:

For the OP, if you don't get it, neither of our goalies has proven anything to warrant a $60m contract for the rest of their careers. Halak has had an second-half of the season and Price had a nice rookie campaign. You sign stars to that type of deal.

timbitca 05-27-2010 12:26 PM

This has to be a trolling post...

Le Tricolore 05-27-2010 12:28 PM

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Beaker 05-27-2010 12:30 PM

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I lol'd. Awesome story bro.

Bieber fever 05-27-2010 12:33 PM

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