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Muscle Bob 05-31-2010 08:55 AM

Bykov remains head coach, no lessons learned?
 
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Today the Russian Hockey Federation announced that the team coaches Vyacheslav Bykov and Igor Zakharkin will continue working with the Russian National team.

"Their work with the team was found to be satisfactory," said Vladislav Tretiak to Sovetskiy Sport. "Soon we will meet to discuss the details of the new contract."
http://www.russianhockeyfans.com/tea...ussia-195.html

Satisfactory? Oh, that's how you call losing 3:7 in the most important game of a four-year period. Or, being stacked with NHL stars, losing to an average Czech team? Great job. Please, continue satisfying us in Sochi... I think 3:10 would be satisfactory?

NMF78 05-31-2010 04:17 PM

there's more then the olympics, 2 golds, 1 silver & 1 bronze in the last 4 wc's (don't know if that was all with bykov though)

Sergei Makarov 05-31-2010 05:09 PM

Anyone has a better candidate than Bykov? Ok, it's obvious he made some mistakes, but he deserves another chance. What if Tikhonov would have fired after Salt Lake City? Bykov was the man who restore the pride of russian hockey. Before he arrives, Russia only won 3 freakin' medals in 15 years at the WCs. With him, we are back to the top.

I'm looking forward to see how the changes, specially the new B team, work. I have blind faith in Bykov, I'm a fan of him since his days as a player, and he is one of the most intelligent guys in the hockey world. He will lead us to a gold medal in Sochi. I'm sure.

Muscle Bob 05-31-2010 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sergei Makarov (Post 26073183)
Anyone has a better candidate than Bykov? Ok, it's obvious he made some mistakes, but he deserves another chance. What if Tikhonov would have fired after Salt Lake City? Bykov was the man who restore the pride of russian hockey. Before he arrives, Russia only won 3 freakin' medals in 15 years at the WCs. With him, we are back to the top.

I'm looking forward to see how the changes, specially the new B team, work. I have blind faith in Bykov, I'm a fan of him since his days as a player, and he is one of the most intelligent guys in the hockey world. He will lead us to a gold medal in Sochi. I'm sure.

I'd suggest to bring in a North American coach. That's what Russia needs now.

Bykov and Zakharkin commited such childish mistakes that I doubt their skills.
Remember when Ovechkin had three shootout attempts against Slovakia at the Olympics? That loss might have cost us the gold, I'm sure if Russia hadn't faced Canada in the quarterfinal everything would have been different.
What about Zakharkin's statement before the game against Canada, "Canada's hockey is easy to read" :laugh:
Having arguably the best forwards in the world they yet failed to make a decent PP unit. Isn't it enough?

Zine 05-31-2010 08:01 PM

Prefer a North American coach, or maybe Bilyaletdinov.

Sokil 05-31-2010 11:54 PM

That's ridiculous. Coaching mistakes blew both tournaments and they get a passing grade? Wow

cska78 06-01-2010 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Zine (Post 26075303)
Prefer a North American coach, or maybe Bilyaletdinov.

Bill had his chance and failed...to me he is a hockey Semin (coach of FC Lokomotive) needs a long time to meticulously build a team. I think Bykov and Zakharkin would have a chance to showcase that they learned from their mistakes in Sochi, if they fail there - they loose the job

malkinfan 06-01-2010 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Muscle Bob (Post 26073311)
I'd suggest to bring in a North American coach. That's what Russia needs now.

Bykov and Zakharkin commited such childish mistakes that I doubt their skills.
Remember when Ovechkin had three shootout attempts against Slovakia at the Olympics? That loss might have cost us the gold, I'm sure if Russia hadn't faced Canada in the quarterfinal everything would have been different.
What about Zakharkin's statement before the game against Canada, "Canada's hockey is easy to read" :laugh:
Having arguably the best forwards in the world they yet failed to make a decent PP unit. Isn't it enough?

I agree with you 10000%. A better recommendation, how about Nemchhinov or Nazarov. Both KHL young coaches with North American playing experience. These guys know what its about. Legendary coach Sutter had nice words for Nemchinov... All the same, just bring in new blood. The NHL players admitted that they were not prepared properly for the Olympics. Sorry but if you got big superstars like OV and malkin you need a guy who can command respect and knows how to handle these guys, like Nemchinov with his Stanley Cup Rings. Bykov finds 0 chemistry amongst his players, he just rolls lines, 0 strategy. Muscle Bob is very right.

Alessandro Seren Rosso 06-02-2010 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by cska78 (Post 26086241)
Bill had his chance and failed...to me he is a hockey Semin (coach of FC Lokomotive) needs a long time to meticulously build a team.

4 years is enough

Alessandro Seren Rosso 06-02-2010 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Sergei Makarov (Post 26073183)
Anyone has a better candidate than Bykov? Ok, it's obvious he made some mistakes, but he deserves another chance. What if Tikhonov would have fired after Salt Lake City? Bykov was the man who restore the pride of russian hockey. Before he arrives, Russia only won 3 freakin' medals in 15 years at the WCs. With him, we are back to the top.

I don't disagree, but I don't agree either. Look at Hiddink. He had a great run with Team Russia (football), but then he failed, and he went away...Kudos to Bykov and Zakharkin, they made A LOT for our team and gifted us a great gold medal in Quebec, but they failed twice this year (one of them being easier to win than to lose) and that's why they need to go.

Alessandro Seren Rosso 06-02-2010 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by NMF78 (Post 26072490)
there's more then the olympics, 2 golds, 1 silver & 1 bronze in the last 4 wc's (don't know if that was all with bykov though)

Yes it was all under him, his first high caliber tournament was the WC in Moscow

cska78 06-02-2010 07:56 AM

a lot of specialists are calling for a new coach or at least a thought of an alternative.

vinogradov8 06-02-2010 07:53 PM

I hate that coach, yes he looks like a badass, yes he never cracks a smile, but he did not do a good job with the team. We need to review all of the coaches for team russia.

VladNYC* 06-02-2010 10:00 PM

Ok lets brainstorm a little guys. Who could work? Name one domestic guy and one North American guy.

Clrs 06-03-2010 10:57 AM

They will continue to coach. What is all this talk about?

RusskiyHockey 06-03-2010 11:22 AM

I am against a foreign coach for Russia. This is not football. I think there should be a working group of 5-6 coaches, adding Bilyaletdinov, Nemchinov, and maybe someone else to the current trio for planning and strategy purposes. They obviously can't be all behind the bench, but I think a better brain trust like Canada had at the Olympics will work for Russia.

Regarding BZ, was there any doubt they'd stay? Even D.A.M. complimented them on their work.

cska78 06-03-2010 01:16 PM

I would offer Val Kamensky - smart, bright individual, and used to be a great player...no experience though, but where did Bykov start?

cska78 06-03-2010 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RusskiyHockey (Post 26115660)
I am against a foreign coach for Russia. This is not football. I think there should be a working group of 5-6 coaches, adding Bilyaletdinov, Nemchinov, and maybe someone else to the current trio for planning and strategy purposes. They obviously can't be all behind the bench, but I think a better brain trust like Canada had at the Olympics will work for Russia.

Regarding BZ, was there any doubt they'd stay? Even D.A.M. complimented them on their work.

y are you against a foreign coach? national pride? are you aware that the hockey program in spite of glamorous MHL/KHL face is spiraling downwards?

yunost 06-03-2010 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by cska78 (Post 26117331)
y are you against a foreign coach? national pride? are you aware that the hockey program in spite of glamorous MHL/KHL face is spiraling downwards?

I'm against it too. Not just national pride but that there is no need. like the previous poster said, this is not football, and Russia doesnt need to learn anything from anyone. Russia is ranked #1 in the world with Russians only. Russia just needs to get more organised.
If you ask me, its not Bykov but his dumb assistant with the big mouth.

And Hockey Russia is not spiralling upwards, I think its doing the opposite. The downward spiral is from the bad 90's other than that. KHL makes young players exited, clubs are getting more serious, and the MHL is making young players strive and work hard. Not to mention vyshka that will soon be a good farm system. Overall, I would say hockey is on the rise.

I know that people are upset at the olympics, but we lost to the gold medallists. As for the WC, **** happens.

I doubt foreigners will be effective in fixing the problems, its the FHR that needs to smarten up.

Macman 06-04-2010 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by yunost (Post 26125153)
Russia doesnt need to learn anything from anyone.

That, in a nutshell, is what's wrong with Russian hockey.

NMF78 06-04-2010 12:23 PM

Maybe a coach who's dedicated to the National Team 100 % and not shares duties as a club-coach would be a step in the right direction. And why not take a NA-coach (or someone with a lot of experience in the NHL, maybe a Russian ex-NHL-player as an assistant if you don't want a foreigner.

cska78 06-04-2010 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Macman (Post 26128704)
That, in a nutshell, is what's wrong with Russian hockey.

+100

Zine 06-04-2010 01:10 PM

He underachieved with SKA, but Barry Smith would make a good full-time NT coach. He has extensive NHL experience as well as experience and knowledge of the Russian game.

Maybe someone like Larionov as GM.

thomasincanada 06-04-2010 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Zine (Post 26131976)
He underachieved with SKA, but Barry Smith would make a good full-time NT coach. He has extensive NHL experience as well as experience and knowledge of the Russian game.

Maybe someone like Larionov as GM.

If Russian hockey doesn't want a non-russian as a head coach.. and I can't say I blame them.. maybe use a guy like Smith as an assistant coach.. or consultant..

Very few people have been as successful in the NHL as Smith. He knows the North American game.

RusskiyHockey 06-04-2010 02:28 PM

I know most will disagree with this perspective, but unless everybody involved with the national team is Russian, then what's the point of Russia even having a national team? What's the point of international hockey then? There already is club competition where you can have Russian and Canadian players, American coaches, Swedish masseusses, Zimbabwean equipment boys, etc. I understand weak teams hiring foreign coaches to get them to respectability, but Russia is not a Belarus or Latvia. Smith could make hockey sense, but in the end he's a Canadian and would be nothing more than a mere hire for money. The point of international competition is for countries to show what they can achieve with their own resources.


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