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KevFist 06-04-2010 03:33 PM

My State is slowly dying.....
 
http://blog.al.com/live/2010/06/alab...lf_shores.html

The news coverage went directly from Louisiana to Florida. Nobody cares about Alabama or Mississippi. Guess they think we're all dead since Katrina hit.

http://media.al.com/live/photo/oil-c...a3f0_large.jpg

dj4aces 06-04-2010 04:08 PM

Actually, I've heard a few stories about MS and AL in the past couple days. But if you think about it, neither MS nor AL have much of a coastline along the gulf. LA and FL, on the other hand...

Louisiana is faced with an environmental disaster. The marshland has been disappearing over the past few hundred years, and now there's oil to contend with. For Florida, it's more of a financial disaster. Yeah, the oil is gonna **** up some beaches, but they're also in the midst of a real estate crash. To top it off, this is the season pretty much everyone goes to the beach. Oil on the beach means no beach, which means no tourism dollars coming in. That will be a huge one-two punch to the economy.

Georgia Dawg 06-04-2010 04:14 PM

The whole thing is sad. If you did not watch 60 minutes a few weeks ago about the explosion, you should go find it.

headsigh 06-04-2010 05:09 PM

This situation does nothing but piss me off, I guess.

DungeonK 06-04-2010 05:13 PM

As an environmentalist, southerner, FL/GA resident, Destin homeowner, and seafood enthusiast I can wholeheartedly say I'm not giving BP another dollar for the rest of my life and hope they go bankrupt and ****ing die.

DungeonK 06-04-2010 06:07 PM

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At another spot, the side of a building had been adorned with a portrait of Obama reminiscent of posters of him during his presidential campaign. Instead of "hope" or "change," the words "what now?" were painted on his forehead. Next to that, a painting of the grim reaper carried the BP logo and the words "You killed our Gulf — our way of life."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100604/...gulf_oil_spill

Georgia Dawg 06-04-2010 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DungeonK (Post 26136654)
As an environmentalist, southerner, FL/GA resident, Destin homeowner, and seafood enthusiast I can wholeheartedly say I'm not giving BP another dollar for the rest of my life and hope they go bankrupt and ****ing die.

I would agree with you if BP did not have thousands of employees that would also be effected. This is a mess and needs to be resolved as soon as possible. I blame BP and I blame the government. They should have stepped in on day one and said we are going be overseeing this until it is resolved. They should have got the Army involved and started containment and clean up. They should have told BP that they will oversee the clean up and containment and send BP the bill.

dj4aces 06-04-2010 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DungeonK (Post 26137339)

Damn, I wanna see pics of those.

DungeonK 06-04-2010 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Georgia Dawg (Post 26137389)
I would agree with you if BP did not have thousands of employees that would also be effected. This is a mess and needs to be resolved as soon as possible. I blame BP and I blame the government. They should have stepped in on day one and said we are going be overseeing this until it is resolved. They should have got the Army involved and started containment and clean up. They should have told BP that they will oversee the clean up and containment and send BP the bill.

I wish them all the luck in the world at finding comparable jobs at other international fuel conglomerates. Innocent cogs in a big, evil, irresponsible machine are still part of the problem.

TasteofFlames 06-05-2010 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Georgia Dawg (Post 26137389)
I would agree with you if BP did not have thousands of employees that would also be effected. This is a mess and needs to be resolved as soon as possible. I blame BP and I blame the government. They should have stepped in on day one and said we are going be overseeing this until it is resolved. They should have got the Army involved and started containment and clean up. They should have told BP that they will oversee the clean up and containment and send BP the bill.

And what of the thousands of people who's livelihood is taking a hit currently because of the spill? Sorry, as someone studying fisheries management, the whole oil spill thing really gets my goat. I'm watching my dream job fade into an iridescent black muck.

I would like to know what happened to all of the National Guard reserves that we supposedly had. Certainly they can't ALL be in Iraq right now. USA disaster relief = ****...across the board.

Another thing that surprises me is that BP hasn't been as gung ho in fixing the problem as I would have expected. I figure every gallon of oil that flows out of that hole is money lost for them. At the very least plug the damn hole!

fatschoonerrat 06-05-2010 02:12 PM

Somehow, I don't think the government/army is better able to handle this crisis than BP. Even though BP created this disaster, they have all the experience drilling a mile down, not the gov't or the army.

That said, once this is no longer a news story, I hope the people put pressure on the gov't to change the rules and regulation of the industry. Too many industry people working as regulators. Big time conflicts of interest.

toph2o 06-05-2010 04:21 PM

As a native of Lafourche Parish, La (look up where that is in relation to the spill, all the stories are being tagged Grand Isle or Port Fourchon, both my old fishing grounds), this really hits home for me, literally.

As far as who should be doing what, without a doubt BP should be taking the lead in stopping the leak, but the government is far more capable of managing the cleanup (if the administration wasn't more interested in pointing fingers). Mobilizing the Coast Guard, National Guard, whomever... massive manpower and procurement of supplies/resources/equipment is something government COULD be doing. However they're not. Obama is far more busy trying to deflect blame, demonizing anyone who opposes him, and playing golf. I hate once again seeing the place I grew up turned into a political football by both sides.

dj4aces 06-05-2010 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by toph2o (Post 26150442)
As far as who should be doing what, without a doubt BP should be taking the lead in stopping the leak, but the government is far more capable of managing the cleanup (if the administration wasn't more interested in pointing fingers).

Depends. Should we have some of the national guard out there? Sure. They could definitely help. Should we have regulatory agencies on sites where tar balls are coming ashore? No, not really.

Armed forces types can be out there cleaning up and, perhaps, coming up with strategy on plugging the leak. Everyone else needs to be the hell away from there, to ensure something like this doesn't happen again.

The people who feel "Obama" should be fixing this really have no idea what they're talking about. He can prevent it from happening again (or, at least, making it harder) by fixing the regulations that Bush removed (well documented, by the way). But Obama can't just go down there and wave a magic wand. That blame isn't very well-placed.

Meanwhile, BP has bought redirects for certain search terms and phrases. Great PR strategy. If you can't successfully cap it, try to manipulate the search engines, right?

Ashe 06-05-2010 09:33 PM

I see this is in the news, and my heart seriously goes out to you guys down there. A news story was ran on the national news station about 2 12 year old girls in a town of about 10,000 start collecting hair. (apparently the things that absorb the oil, are basically hair and panty hose). And they start a drive. They were at it for a week and had 25 pounds of hair from hair places in their city.

I had a hair cut yesterday, and as i was leaving, 2 girls roughly the same age come in asking for the hair. Apparently those two saw the news and went to the hair places here collecting. They're just trying to find a way to ship all the hair down there where you guys need it most.

I hope this gets solved quick.

dj4aces 06-05-2010 10:17 PM

That's really sweet of those girls, Ashe. I hope the movement takes off, in both Canada and the US, and the plan works as well as it should.

Thrashers94 06-05-2010 10:20 PM

They're doing the same thing with the hair down here. I had my mop shaved off a couple weeks ago and they put it in a box full of hair.

Ashe 06-05-2010 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dj4aces (Post 26154123)
That's really sweet of those girls, Ashe. I hope the movement takes off, in both Canada and the US, and the plan works as well as it should.

You and me both buddy. They really need a solution to this quick.

Boognish 06-06-2010 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Georgia Dawg (Post 26137389)
I would agree with you if BP did not have thousands of employees that would also be effected. This is a mess and needs to be resolved as soon as possible. I blame BP and I blame the government. They should have stepped in on day one and said we are going be overseeing this until it is resolved. They should have got the Army involved and started containment and clean up. They should have told BP that they will oversee the clean up and containment and send BP the bill.

What army? Our armed forces have been stretched to their limit over the last 8 years. Ironically, this country doesn't have the military strength to protect itself.

Besides, what would the army do? It's not like they've got oil spill specialists waiting in the wings to swoop in and fix this thing. They're a fighting force, not a bunch of guys from ServiceMaster. The simple fact of the matter is that the only people who have the hardware and know-how to resolve this are in the oil industry.

Contrary to popular belief, the government is NOT the fix for most problems.

Benders Lindyhop 06-06-2010 07:29 AM

I come in peace. To the OP: Alabama was actually one of the places I was worried about. I've been to Gulf Shores for vacation (a long time ago) and it was simply one of the most beautiful beaches I've ever been to. FL has some comparable as far as that wonderful sugar sand and clarity of water, but far more expensive and not nearly as friendly. I hope it recovers quickly.

KevFist 06-06-2010 07:57 AM

I really believe Gulf Shores, AL has THE most beautiful beaches on Earth. When it' not covered in oil, the beaches are literally sugar white and the waters aren't blue, but rather emerald green. The whole Gulf Coast from Isle Aux Herbes over to Panama City is famously known as the Redneck Riviera, but is also known as the Emerald Coast. Cheap, quiet places to vacation with great food and friendly people.

Re: The hair thing.. Yep! it works. Hair absorbs the oil, but leaves the water. A bunch of restaurants in Malbis, Daphne and Fairhope have been having parties on friday nights where they have free food and live music while people make these booms out of pantyhose and hair. Alabama's kinda taking the stance of we're not waiting for BP to do anything....We'll just hand 'em a bill later.

BudForLife 06-06-2010 08:20 AM

This is a very sad time. I tune into the news several times a day for updates. I cannot believe what has happened. We sit here, watch helplessly and wait. To think that this may go on until August is truly mind boggling. My thoughts and prayers are with you. Some how we will ALL come together and help.

Aaronxxx 06-06-2010 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toph2o (Post 26150442)
As a native of Lafourche Parish, La (look up where that is in relation to the spill, all the stories are being tagged Grand Isle or Port Fourchon, both my old fishing grounds), this really hits home for me, literally.

As far as who should be doing what, without a doubt BP should be taking the lead in stopping the leak, but the government is far more capable of managing the cleanup (if the administration wasn't more interested in pointing fingers). Mobilizing the Coast Guard, National Guard, whomever... massive manpower and procurement of supplies/resources/equipment is something government COULD be doing. However they're not. Obama is far more busy trying to deflect blame, demonizing anyone who opposes him, and playing golf. I hate once again seeing the place I grew up turned into a political football by both sides.

but the government doesn't own drilling equipment/resources/supplies for something of this magnitude. and if they did, and from day one they kicked BP out of the way, imagine the uproar from people saying they are overstepping their power, saying "where in the constitution does it say the federal government can clean up oil?!". it's a lose-lose for government, they will be attacked politically for either doing too much or too little. but hopefully the last thing on their minds is their poll ratings, and they're more concerned with doing the right thing.

dj4aces 06-06-2010 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BudForLife (Post 26156737)
This is a very sad time. I tune into the news several times a day for updates. I cannot believe what has happened. We sit here, watch helplessly and wait. To think that this may go on until August is truly mind boggling. My thoughts and prayers are with you. Some how we will ALL come together and help.

To make matters worse, it's hurricane season. If one of those things hits the oily waters just right, all that oil could end up miles inland.

Enstrom39 06-07-2010 09:11 AM

"BP, the global oil giant responsible for the fast-spreading spill in the Gulf of Mexico that will soon make landfall, is no stranger to major accidents. In fact, the company has found itself at the center of several of the nation's worst oil and gas–related disasters in the last five years.

In March 2005, a massive explosion ripped through a tower at BP's refinery in Texas City, Texas, killing 15 workers and injuring 170 others. Investigators later determined that the company had ignored its own protocols on operating the tower, which was filled with gasoline, and that a warning system had been disabled.

The company pleaded guilty to federal felony charges and was fined more than $50 million by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

Almost a year after the refinery explosion, technicians discovered that some 4,800 barrels of oil had spread into the Alaskan snow through a tiny hole in the company's pipeline in Prudhoe Bay. BP had been warned [1] to check the pipeline in 2002, but hadn't, according to a report in Fortune. When it did inspect it, four years later, it found that a six-mile length of pipeline was corroded. The company temporarily shut down its operations in Prudhoe Bay, causing one of the largest disruptions in U.S. oil supply in recent history.

BP faced $12 million in fines for a misdemeanor violation of the federal Water Pollution Control Act. A congressional committee determined that BP had ignored opportunities to prevent the spill and that "draconian" cost-saving measures had led to shortcuts in its operation.

Other problems followed. There were more spills in Alaska. And BP was charged with manipulating the market price of propane. In that case, it settled with the U.S. Department of Justice and agreed to pay more than $300 million in fines.

At each step along the way, the company's executives were contrite.

...

There are also indications that BP and Transocean, the owner of the Deepwater Horizon rig that burned and sank, could have used backup safety gear [4] -- a remote acoustic switch that would stanch the flow of oil from a leaking well 5,000 feet underwater -- to prevent the massive spill now floating like a slow-motion train wreck toward the Mississippi and Louisiana coastline. The switch isn't required under U.S. law, but is well-known in the industry and mandated in other parts of the world where BP operates.

In the year before the accident, BP once again aggressively cut costs. A reorganization stripped 5,000 jobs from its payroll, saving BP more than $4 billion in operating costs, according to a report sent to ProPublica by Fadel Gheit, an investment analyst for Oppenheimer.

On April 27, as the U.S. Coast Guard worked with BP engineers to guide remote control submarines nearly a mile underwater in a futile effort to close a shut-off valve, BP told investors that its quarterly earnings were up more than 100 percent over the last year, beating expectations by a large margin. After underperforming its competition throughout the last decade, Gheit wrote, BP was the only major oil company to perform better than the S&P 500 last year."

http://www.propublica.org/article/bp...-to-gulf-spill

Bongo 06-07-2010 09:51 AM

I'm going to the Flora/Bama lounge this weekend. I expect to be totally bummed.


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