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AKAY47 06-18-2010 01:07 AM

John Stevens Offered Assistant Coaching Position / Hiring Announcement Week of 6/21
 
Makes sense, ex-Flyer coach, can be a solid assistant for Terry Murray.. I wish Mark Hardy was still here, John Stevens and Mark Hardy would make up for Terry Murray being horrible hahaha

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/i...#axzz0r9lCx7bE

EDIT 6/19: Link to LA times article confirming the job offer: http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-...0,946036.story

Quattro 06-18-2010 11:30 AM

I'm a little tired of all the Flyer connections. I HATE the Flyers.

4ndr3y* 06-18-2010 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Quattro (Post 26349997)
I'm a little tired of all the Flyer connections. I HATE the Flyers.

Now if Lombardi trades for Gagne or Hartnell...
:laugh:

JDM 06-18-2010 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Quattro (Post 26349997)
I'm a little tired of all the Flyer connections. I HATE the Flyers.

Get used to it. So long as Dean is here, it won't stop. It's not by coincidence and its (apparently) not just your run of the mill nepotism. Its all by design and its not because he likes Flyer's people so much as he likes Flyer's attitude. If Dean's plan works, this team will mirror the attitude of the Flyers, am I'm actually quite alright with that... I've always liked the Flyers :)

Hell, even if Dean gets canned and Hextall replaces him, it still won't stop.

wabwat 06-18-2010 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by JDM (Post 26350107)
Get used to it. So long as Dean is here, it won't stop. It's not by coincidence and its (apparently) not just your run of the mill nepotism. Its all by design and its not because he likes Flyer's people so much as he likes Flyer's attitude. If Dean's plan works, this team will mirror the attitude of the Flyers, am I'm actually quite alright with that... I've always liked the Flyers :)

Hell, even if Dean gets canned and Hextall replaces him, it still won't stop.


this sort of thing is not exclusive to Dean Lombardi... never has been and never will be.

JDM 06-18-2010 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by wabwat (Post 26350316)
this sort of thing is not exclusive to Dean Lombardi... never has been and never will be.

Of course not. Nepotism makes the world go 'round. Happens in virtually every industry, some more than others.

KingLB 06-18-2010 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Quattro (Post 26349997)
I'm a little tired of all the Flyer connections. I HATE the Flyers.

Based on most of the reasoning around here I'm surprised ppl don't love hiring Flyers I mean the Flyers were in the Stanley Cup:help:.

treize_kushrenada 06-19-2010 09:24 AM

hey guys, i just got back from BCT and AIT and i guess i mustve missed alot of stuff! Harpos not with the organization anymore and it does seem like John Stevens has been offered the job according to helene elliot of the l.a. times. i wish i could post the link but it was in my newspaper this morning. didnt Stevens coach the kings as an interim a few years back??

GKJ 06-19-2010 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Quattro (Post 26349997)
I'm a little tired of all the Flyer connections. I HATE the Flyers.

Some of us don't even like the some many Flyer connections within the organization and it's our own team.


When this becomes more real, and it seems like it's only a matter of time, well there's the good and the bad.

The good is that I think it's a fairly decent situation for Stevens. The core issue Flyers fans have with Stevens is the fact that there was a lack of accountability. The biggest point I use for that was a game in Ottawa last April. The Flyers lost in a shootout, after being down 2-0 and then leading the game 3-2 in the 3rd period. This was the game of an infamous game misconduct Dan Carcillo was given for unsportsmanlike conduct (I've never seen that in my time watching hockey), which came with a minor penalty and gave Ottawa (playing for nothing, they were out of the playoffs) a full 5-on-3 that they scored on. Stevens essentially felt it was OK that they played like ass for half the game, eventually got to the point where they blew a lead, and outplayed the majority of the game. At this point we were trying to get home ice in round 1, and Stevens had the audacity to ask the media what was going on in other games after he just claimed that it was OK to lose. My biggest fear about this for the Kings is that it seems inevitable that Stevens is going to be Terry Murray's replacement if/when Murray gets fired.

Stevens also loves Randy Jones. The possibility that Jones will be willing to return to the Kings will rise to the point where no one will really want to talk about it.

On the other hand, Stevens never should have been the Flyers head coach to begin with. He was put in charge when we fired Ken Hitchcock after only a few games as assistant coach. It was painfully obvious during the season that Stevens was not ready to be head coach, but it is also now a few years and a firing later. The strange dynamic here is that Terry Murray was John Stevens' assistant here. I can't think of a time where the roles were reversed, at least in such short order. Stevens' best season as our coach was when Murray was there with him running the defense (where Jones played like Jaroslav Modry did in his "best" times but we also actually had Modry on the team too).

I think being an assistant for at least a full season will work out better for him this time around, because he's very likely going to be the next head coach of the Kings.

AKAY47 06-19-2010 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by treize_kushrenada (Post 26361932)
hey guys, i just got back from BCT and AIT and i guess i mustve missed alot of stuff! Harpos not with the organization anymore and it does seem like John Stevens has been offered the job according to helene elliot of the l.a. times. i wish i could post the link but it was in my newspaper this morning. didnt Stevens coach the kings as an interim a few years back??

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-...0,946036.story

KINGS17 06-19-2010 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by AKAY47 (Post 26362265)

Best part of that article:

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Next week could also bring a contract extension for Lombardi and his staff.

Cutty Sarkn3ss* 06-19-2010 12:09 PM

He's not the worst candidate . . . but definitely not the best. . .

Scrivezina 06-19-2010 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by go kim johnsson 514 (Post 26361958)
Some of us don't even like the some many Flyer connections within the organization and it's our own team.


When this becomes more real, and it seems like it's only a matter of time, well there's the good and the bad.

The good is that I think it's a fairly decent situation for Stevens. The core issue Flyers fans have with Stevens is the fact that there was a lack of accountability. The biggest point I use for that was a game in Ottawa last April. The Flyers lost in a shootout, after being down 2-0 and then leading the game 3-2 in the 3rd period. This was the game of an infamous game misconduct Dan Carcillo was given for unsportsmanlike conduct (I've never seen that in my time watching hockey), which came with a minor penalty and gave Ottawa (playing for nothing, they were out of the playoffs) a full 5-on-3 that they scored on. Stevens essentially felt it was OK that they played like ass for half the game, eventually got to the point where they blew a lead, and outplayed the majority of the game. At this point we were trying to get home ice in round 1, and Stevens had the audacity to ask the media what was going on in other games after he just claimed that it was OK to lose. My biggest fear about this for the Kings is that it seems inevitable that Stevens is going to be Terry Murray's replacement if/when Murray gets fired.

Stevens also loves Randy Jones. The possibility that Jones will be willing to return to the Kings will rise to the point where no one will really want to talk about it.

On the other hand, Stevens never should have been the Flyers head coach to begin with. He was put in charge when we fired Ken Hitchcock after only a few games as assistant coach. It was painfully obvious during the season that Stevens was not ready to be head coach, but it is also now a few years and a firing later. The strange dynamic here is that Terry Murray was John Stevens' assistant here. I can't think of a time where the roles were reversed, at least in such short order. Stevens' best season as our coach was when Murray was there with him running the defense (where Jones played like Jaroslav Modry did in his "best" times but we also actually had Modry on the team too).

I think being an assistant for at least a full season will work out better for him this time around, because he's very likely going to be the next head coach of the Kings.

Okay...so where is the good? We got someone who got fired before and knows what its like to lose a job. Being fired a few years ago does not mean he now has the skill set to be a good coach. I would rather have a coach who knows what it takes to win. Worse, he loves the dingleberry Jones. Will this be the blind leading the blind??? If what your saying is accurate then this is a very bad choice for LA. I can see taking on an injured player but I don't see taking on an incapable coach who has yet to prove himself for a team that has been supposed to be taking the next step......

Dont' mean to be harsh but I'm not sure of the logic here on this choice.

Cosmos 06-19-2010 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Fatty (Post 26363767)
Okay...so where is the good? We got someone who got fired before and knows what its like to lose a job. Being fired a few years ago does not mean he now has the skill set to be a good coach. I would rather have a coach who knows what it takes to win. Worse, he loves the dingleberry Jones. Will this be the blind leading the blind??? If what your saying is accurate then this is a very bad choice for LA. I can see taking on an injured player but I don't see taking on an incapable coach who has yet to prove himself for a team that has been supposed to be taking the next step......

Dont' mean to be harsh but I'm not sure of the logic here on this choice.

Do some homework...

Stevens guided the Flyers to an immediate renaissance in 2007-08. The Flyers won 42 games and amassed 95 points in the regular season under Stevens's guidance. In the playoffs, the Flyers beat the Washington Capitals in the first round and upset the top-seeded Montreal Canadiens in the second round before falling to the Pittsburgh Penguins in the Eastern Conference Finals. For this, The Hockey News honored Stevens with their Coach of the Year award.

Sydor25 06-19-2010 12:39 PM

So, it sounds like he is the next head coach for the LA Kings, after Murray's contract ends next year. I'm sure that he is being told this, or why would he accept an assistant's job under his former employee?

BallPointHammer 06-19-2010 12:47 PM

I wish people, all over the Kings board, not just in this thread, would stop harping about when Terry Murray is going to be fired. If the Kings continue to progress like most fans think they will, than what's the problem with Murray? Every team in the league juggles their line-up endlessly, even through the playoffs.

Telos 06-19-2010 12:49 PM

I would be O.K. with the signing, though not thrilled. I am more interested in Dean's potential signing next week as that article reports.

Kurrilino 06-19-2010 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KingLB (Post 26350623)
Based on most of the reasoning around here I'm surprised ppl don't love hiring Flyers I mean the Flyers were in the Stanley Cup:help:.

We always get the ex-Flyers who are dumped to reache the finals

Cruel11 06-19-2010 04:02 PM

I didn't know he was the Hockey News 07/08 coach of the year

Scrivezina 06-19-2010 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cosmos (Post 26364065)
Do some homework...

Stevens guided the Flyers to an immediate renaissance in 2007-08. The Flyers won 42 games and amassed 95 points in the regular season under Stevens's guidance. In the playoffs, the Flyers beat the Washington Capitals in the first round and upset the top-seeded Montreal Canadiens in the second round before falling to the Pittsburgh Penguins in the Eastern Conference Finals. For this, The Hockey News honored Stevens with their Coach of the Year award.

Point taken, however the "good" was being explained by a moderator from the Flyers side...Perhaps I gave him too much credibility....anyway, thanks for the info.

William H Bonney 06-19-2010 04:13 PM

I'm okay with it for now. I wasn't impressed by any stretch with Stevens as a head coach but that doesn't mean he won't make an effective assistant coach. The acquiring of every Flyers castoff, even though expected given Lombardi's stated m.o., is really getting old. I still have faith though.

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Originally Posted by Cruel11 (Post 26368340)
I didn't know he was the Hockey News 07/08 coach of the year

If it makes you feel any better I could tell you Marc Crawford has won the Jack Adams before. :laugh:

Cruel11 06-19-2010 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by William H Bonney (Post 26368554)
I'm okay with it for now. I wasn't impressed by any stretch with Stevens as a head coach but that doesn't mean he won't make an effective assistant coach. The acquiring of every Flyers castoff, even though expected given Lombardi's stated m.o., is really getting old. I still have faith though.



If it makes you feel any better I could tell you Marc Crawford has won the Jack Adams before. :laugh:

Pfft. Why bring him up? I always think of screaming porcupine, when his name comes up.

William H Bonney 06-19-2010 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Cruel11 (Post 26368704)
Pfft. Why bring him up? I always think of screaming porcupine, when his name comes up.

At least that's better than remembering his actual "coaching." :sarcasm:

Cruel11 06-19-2010 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by William H Bonney (Post 26368828)
At least that's better than remembering his actual "coaching." :sarcasm:

You must be confusing him with another coach. He was an excellent coach.


:sarcasm::sarcasm:

GKJ 06-19-2010 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Fatty (Post 26363767)
Okay...so where is the good? We got someone who got fired before and knows what its like to lose a job. Being fired a few years ago does not mean he now has the skill set to be a good coach. I would rather have a coach who knows what it takes to win. Worse, he loves the dingleberry Jones. Will this be the blind leading the blind??? If what your saying is accurate then this is a very bad choice for LA. I can see taking on an injured player but I don't see taking on an incapable coach who has yet to prove himself for a team that has been supposed to be taking the next step......

Dont' mean to be harsh but I'm not sure of the logic here on this choice.

Hmmm, I didn't mention much good did I?

He won the Calder Cup in 2005 with the Phantoms. And since it was the lockout, was the best team in North America that season...

And when he got fired people felt bad because he led "so many of these players" [that being the Flyers] to a Calder Cup, and it was so special and so sour it came to that. Upon further review, only three guys were on the Flyers, one of them was Riley Cote who doesn't play, and the other two were Carter and Richards who only joined in the playoffs....

Stevens bakes cakes. Do you like cake?


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