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DaStars99 06-25-2010 09:30 PM

Fire Nieuwendyk | Nieuwendyk Fired (Post #903)
 
I have had it

After another piece of crap first round draft pick I am done with him. His hiring of Crawford, awful. Even the thought of trading Ribs, which now seems to be something he is forced to do, is awful. The way he has dealt with Modano, awful. His contract with Ott, awful. I know ownership is part of the problem but come on. He has set this team back even further.

Fire Nieuwendyk

Caseman 06-25-2010 09:54 PM

I'm not for certain, but I am pretty sure Jackson still pulls most of the strings during the draft.

Dominic Roussel 06-25-2010 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DaStars99 (Post 26514179)
After another piece of crap first round draft pick I am done with him.

I'm really pissed about the last two drafts now as well. I wanted Kulikov or Cowen last year, and we took Glennie. I wanted Fowler/Gormley/Forbort this year and we take Campbell. I'm with ya on this one. :shakehead

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His hiring of Crawford, awful.
I don't know who else was really available, and I like the new system more than the old one. At least it's more entertaining.

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Even the thought of trading Ribs, which now seems to be something he is forced to do, is awful.
I'd rather trade Ribs and keep Richards than lose Richards and keep Ribs, so we'll see what happens.

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The way he has dealt with Modano, awful.
What do you mean? Are you talking about how he isn't going to resign him just because he's Modano?

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His contract with Ott, awful.
I agree that Ott is being overpaid, but if he's actually used in the Top 6, he's shown he can be effective. If he's still going to be stuck on the 3rd line, then it definitely is waaaaaaay too much.

vofty 06-25-2010 10:03 PM

But Steven Ott has the ever important truculence, which is one of those things Joe learned from Mr. Burke.

Karitimes 06-25-2010 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DoesURchickenFLY (Post 26516885)
But Steven Ott has the ever important truculence, which is one of those things Joe learned from Mr. Burke.

I'm guessing your buzz has officially been killed.

vofty 06-25-2010 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon Casey 91 (Post 26518983)
I'm guessing your buzz has officially been killed.

you would be correct sir

Rune Forumwalker 06-25-2010 11:49 PM

Les Jackson runs the draft. So that's who you want to blame for the past two drafts. But with the quality players this team has drafted under Jackson, I'll definitely give him the benefit of the doubt on picking Campbell.

Sure the organization needed defensemen more, and I was kind of worried/sick when Anaheim, Phoenix, and Los Angeles grabbed those three defensemen, but I have faith in the scouting department.

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I don't know who else was really available, and I like the new system more than the old one. At least it's more entertaining.
Peter Laviotte was available. I don't know who else, but I know he was as I hoped he would get the nod.

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Even the thought of trading Ribs, which now seems to be something he is forced to do, is awful. The way he has dealt with Modano, awful.
I have to admit though I hate, HATE, the idea of trading Ribeiro. I'd sooner want Richards traded. The offense will be awful without Ribeiro.

There is no way they let Modano sign with another team. They have to know that it would be a horrible decision in the backlash that it would create.

Even if management likes Benn at center, the team wouldn't be that bad off to have him playing wing while Modano plays 3rd line center. But then they did try to force the team into a lineup that the roster isn't suited for a month (or two?) into the season (ie 4th line of Sutherby/Wandell/Brunnstrom to Barch/Petersen/whoever). :help:

Better to throw out a 4th line with talent and lessen the minutes of the top guys like at the beginning of the season, than to have a 4th line of scrubs and press-box filler.

aisforaaron83 06-26-2010 03:00 AM

The Org thinks Campbell can truly be a stud in net in a couple of years. I know what was on the board, but it is difficult to argue with the stars when it comes to goalie picks. be patient and lets see what happens before we start calling for someone's head.

I wanted Gormley, but I am not disappointed about Campbell.

StarsFan74 06-26-2010 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by CampbellBetterBeGOD (Post 26516742)
I don't know who else was really available, and I like the new system more than the old one. At least it's more entertaining.

Peter Laviolette was available and look where he took Philly. He probably wouldn't have helped much with our defensively depleted and offensively mediocre corps, but I'd have taken his recent cup-winning experience over Crawford's, which was 14 years ago.

piqued 06-26-2010 11:07 AM

I kind of rolled my eyes when I first saw this thread. I mean, if anything it should be "Fire Bernhardt", or "Fire Jackson", right? The all-star draft team that's given us Sacchetti, Beskorowany, Glennie, and Campbell as our pathetic collection of first picks the past 4 years is nearing the end of their rope. But the more I thought about it, Nieuwendyk absolutely should not escape criticism.

What is the GM's role in this process? To be a rubber stamp and say a couple of hurried words into the microphone? I'd hope not. It's Nieuwendyk's responsibility to make sure his head scout doesn't fall in love with a certain player to the extent that he develops blinders to the rest of the draftees and the organization's blatantly obvious needs.

Joe's body language, and for that matter the entire front office's, seemed awfully cavalier last night when they finally got up on the stage. That sure didn't look like a group that just had to make a tough, agonizing decision over 2 skilled defensemen that were improbably falling into their lap. It looked they had their guy, Campbell, and gifts from the gods be damned, they were sticking to the gameplan.

The thing that's still getting me here is that even if they're somehow right, and Campbell IS the 3rd best player in this draft, a real franchise player, and defies all the recent trends of highly-picked goalies busting, WE'RE STILL SCREWED. A first round star goalie with a big-time pedigree is going to end up getting paid like one. And we're going to be right back in the same damn position of spending way too much on goaltending where we should be going relatively cheap. Team after team has proven that you don't need a franchise goalie to win. You sure as hell need defensemen that can move the puck though.

Ultimately, the indelible image that I'll remember from this draft won't be of our new pick pulling on a Stars jersey for the first time. No -- it'll be of Ducks' GM Bob Murray, with that ****-eating grin plastered all over his face, incredulous at his good fortune and at the staggering ineptitude of the clubs that came before.

Rune Forumwalker 06-26-2010 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by piqued1457 (Post 26530374)
The all-star draft team that's given us Sacchetti, Beskorowany, Glennie, and Campbell as our pathetic collection of first picks the past 4 years is nearing the end of their rope.

Still way too soon to give any judgement on how good the picks of Besko and Glennie are. The most recent you can actually judge would be Vishnevskiy, which is not looking good right now with his inability to crack an NHL roster.

BeaverSports 06-26-2010 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by piqued1457 (Post 26530374)
Team after team has proven that you don't need a franchise goalie to win. You sure as hell need defensemen that can move the puck though.

Right on the money. :handclap::handclap:

KINGS17 06-26-2010 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by piqued1457 (Post 26530374)
I kind of rolled my eyes when I first saw this thread. I mean, if anything it should be "Fire Bernhardt", or "Fire Jackson", right? The all-star draft team that's given us Sacchetti, Beskorowany, Glennie, and Campbell as our pathetic collection of first picks the past 4 years is nearing the end of their rope. But the more I thought about it, Nieuwendyk absolutely should not escape criticism.

What is the GM's role in this process? To be a rubber stamp and say a couple of hurried words into the microphone? I'd hope not. It's Nieuwendyk's responsibility to make sure his head scout doesn't fall in love with a certain player to the extent that he develops blinders to the rest of the draftees and the organization's blatantly obvious needs.

Joe's body language, and for that matter the entire front office's, seemed awfully cavalier last night when they finally got up on the stage. That sure didn't look like a group that just had to make a tough, agonizing decision over 2 skilled defensemen that were improbably falling into their lap. It looked they had their guy, Campbell, and gifts from the gods be damned, they were sticking to the gameplan.

The thing that's still getting me here is that even if they're somehow right, and Campbell IS the 3rd best player in this draft, a real franchise player, and defies all the recent trends of highly-picked goalies busting, WE'RE STILL SCREWED. A first round star goalie with a big-time pedigree is going to end up getting paid like one. And we're going to be right back in the same damn position of spending way too much on goaltending where we should be going relatively cheap. Team after team has proven that you don't need a franchise goalie to win. You sure as hell need defensemen that can move the puck though.

Ultimately, the indelible image that I'll remember from this draft won't be of our new pick pulling on a Stars jersey for the first time. No -- it'll be of Ducks' GM Bob Murray, with that ****-eating grin plastered all over his face, incredulous at his good fortune and at the staggering ineptitude of the clubs that came before.

Ok, first off I come in peace. Seeing a lot of the posts here and this one in particular I wonder if any Dallas STH have asked your management team what they do to prepare for the draft.

Lombardi and his team take great pains to explain to the fans exactly what their process is from how they scout (they watch video, they see the kid play live, they meet the kid and his family). Then after all that is done for all the potentials on their list they run several mock drafts with different scenarios so when draft day comes they can move fast and act according to the plan, because likely they have already run the scenario that is happening at the draft.

Lombardi was going to actually trade #19 to move down yesterday, but as Forbort continued to fall he quickly switched to an alternate plan to move up and get his man. He says the Kings scouting staff had Forbort ranked in the top 10.

You guys spend a lot of money on tickets. The GM should be willing to explain the process to you.

RalphHouzen 06-26-2010 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by KINGS17 (Post 26539993)
Ok, first off I come in peace. Seeing a lot of the posts here and this one in particular I wonder if any Dallas STH have asked your management team what they do to prepare for the draft.

Lombardi and his team take great pains to explain to the fans exactly what their process is from how they scout (they watch video, they see the kid play live, they meet the kid and his family). Then after all that is done for all the potentials on their list they run several mock drafts with different scenarios so when draft day comes they can move fast and act according to the plan, because likely they have already run the scenario that is happening at the draft.

Lombardi was going to actually trade #19 to move down yesterday, but as Forbort continued to fall he quickly switched to an alternate plan to move up and get his man. He says the Kings scouting staff had Forbort ranked in the top 10.

You guys spend a lot of money on tickets. The GM should be willing to explain the process to you.

They say BPA. Maybe if we pay more they'll tell us their board before the draft. Did you think they traded up for Forbort because they didn't want him?

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:help::rant::cry: fire nieuwendyk

________ 06-29-2010 01:00 AM

Nieuwendyk's list of accomplishments

Firing Tippett
Re-signing Fistric to a three year deal, rather then to a one or two year deal.
Eriksson's extension
Getting rid of Turco.

I can't think of anything else he did good, I guess Lehtonen can be on the good list if he can stay healthy.

Negatives
$2.95 million and a NTC for Ott
$825k and $850k for Barch.
$3.3 million for Robidas and a NTC

What else on the negatives?

piqued 06-29-2010 01:07 AM

Letting Zubov go
Hiring Crawford
Signing Skrastins
Signing Woywitka
Nuking IV's confidence
Failing to recognize that the team should sell/failing to accrue draft picks
Re-signing Petersen
Not overriding the scouts on Campbell
Signing Burish
Trying to trade Ribeiro.... the jury's still out here... if he blows it completely I'm joining this bandwagon... he's still got some cachet with me for cutting ties with Turco


Add claiming Segal to the positives I guess

More positives: Hiring Desjardins, Signing Lukowich

Cin 06-29-2010 01:28 AM

Wait... Ott got a NTC?!

Stars99Lobo37 06-29-2010 01:37 AM

Am definitely a bad trade away from jumping on the bandwagon. Of all people I would think that most fans (at least on this board) were looking to part ways with, Barch was at the top. What a ridiculously stupid signing.

________ 06-29-2010 01:42 AM

Ott has a NTC yes, but it's for the first season, weird I know but it's a NTC regardless.

glovesave_35 06-29-2010 02:57 AM

Steven Ott's NTC is insignificant. I don't envision many teams lining up to trade for a player of his pedigree at that price.

jacksongs 06-29-2010 04:11 AM

This signing indicates that the internal spending cap will be lifted imminently. Great news! There simply cannot be another explanation.

DaStars99 06-29-2010 08:18 AM

I can't help but just laugh at that deal, another reason Joe needs to be gone.

Ub the Bub 06-29-2010 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by piqued1457 (Post 26596808)
Signing Skrastins
Not overriding the scouts on Campbell

These are not negatives. So Skrastins wasn't awesome, but no one expected him to be, he's a solid squad player and has delivered as such of him... But regarding Campbell, the more I think about it the more I like it...
Not ready to throw Crawford under the bus quite yet either and the Petersen signing... Well atleast it wasn't as bad as Barch... Petersen I can live with, he occasionally mixes things up atleast... Barch however... Ugh... Makes me sick...

I'm still gonna give him some time to "fix" this... But I'm keeping my torch nearby by, just in case...

Rune Forumwalker 06-29-2010 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by piqued1457 (Post 26596808)
Re-signing Petersen
Not overriding the scouts on Campbell
Trying to trade Ribeiro.... the jury's still out here... if he blows it completely I'm joining this bandwagon... he's still got some cachet

Re-signing Petersen isn't bad as he makes a decent 13th forward. However Barch being re-signed does make it bad.

It's still too early to judge on the Campbell pick, because realistically you just don't know how good a team did in a draft until about five years after the fact. But the draft looks solid so far as the team got a player with franchise potential and two defensemen to fill out the part of the prospect pool that was getting thin.

I'm only joining this bandwagon if Ribeiro is traded, and Modano signs to play with another team.


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