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FLYERSFAN18 07-08-2010 11:43 PM

Kings-Flyers
 
I am proposing this if the kings dont get kovalchuck

To Kings

Carter
Hartnell
Boucher/Leighton (if wanted)
rights to carcillo (if wanted)


To Flyers

Brown
JJ
Quick (if the kings want to give the job to bernier)


Carter gives you a 40 goal scoring center to make up for production you could have got from kovy.

Hartnell adds some grit and another 20-25 goals (similar to browns output)

Brown gives the flyers a much needed right wing and cap relief. Zherdev (if it happens) could make up for some of carters goals.

the flyers can then turn coburn or carle for another supporting winger

silverstick 07-08-2010 11:45 PM

oh man

hockeyfreak7 07-08-2010 11:45 PM

The Kings have no reason to do this.

It's not like the Kings are trading Kovy for Carter so you cant say that Carter makes up for something they never had.

Then the rest of it is just lopsided.

defer* 07-08-2010 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FLYERSFAN18 (Post 26831377)
I am proposing this if the kings dont get kovalchuck

To Kings

Carter
Hartnell
Boucher/Leighton (if wanted)
rights to carcillo (if wanted)


To Flyers

Brown
JJ
Quick (if the kings want to give the job to bernier)


Carter gives you a 40 goal scoring center to make up for production you could have got from kovy.

Hartnell adds some grit and another 20-25 goals (similar to browns output)

Brown gives the flyers a much needed right wing and cap relief. Zherdev (if it happens) could make up for some of carters goals.

the flyers can then turn coburn or carle for another supporting winger

IMO from an outside source, JJ and quick alone are overpayment for carter. let alone throwing in brown for carter which is basically all the kings want out of this trade. correct me if im wrong

KINGS17 07-08-2010 11:47 PM

As much as I like Carter and Hartnell, I don't think Lombardi is including Brown in any deal.

You really have to scale this back and make it like Hartnell for Moller + Martinez + a 2nd round pick. Something like that. I am assuming you are trying to dump some salary here, correct?

I know you guys love Carter and we would have to overpay to get him and it would have to include Quick, but I don't think Lombardi is going to move a goalie just yet until he figures out what he has. He spent too much time bringing both of these guys along to just give Bernier the #1 job now.

FLYERSFAN18 07-08-2010 11:48 PM

its not that he would make up for the production, but that he is another excellent goal scorer to improve your team if you dont get kovy.

mercury 07-08-2010 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by defer (Post 26831419)
IMO from an outside source, JJ and quick alone are overpayment for carter. let alone throwing in brown for carter which is basically all the kings want out of this trade. correct me if im wrong

You are wrong. JJ and Quick for Carter is not even fair for Carter, let alone overpayment.

FLYERSFAN18 07-08-2010 11:51 PM

Carter could potentially return 4 ist rnd picks, but will definately get a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd

FLYERSFAN18 07-08-2010 11:53 PM

hartnell would add about the same production as brown (minus the intangibles), but carter would add another 40 goals or so to the kings offense.

GirouxCouturier 07-08-2010 11:54 PM

who is jj

FLYERSFAN18 07-08-2010 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyersflyers18 (Post 26831514)
who is jj

Jack Johnson

Martyros 07-08-2010 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FLYERSFAN18 (Post 26831491)
hartnell would add about the same production as brown (minus the intangibles), but carter would add another 40 goals or so to the kings offense.

While we lose one of only two PP QB's AND one of only two top 4 dmen.
Brown's contract is just untradeable at the moment....in a good way. He DOES disappoint at times (quite frustrating), but his contract fits him and we just can't give him up even for Hartnell. Sure, we need a top forward that can get us 40 extra goals a season, but not at the cost of losing a player that creates yet ANOTHER hole on our lineup. If we get a top scorer, it'll be for our defensive prospects imo.

mercury 07-09-2010 12:02 AM

So the Flyers would have:

Pronger-Carle
Timonen-Coburn
Meszaros-Johnson

???

ibleedkings 07-09-2010 12:03 AM

No from LA.

defer* 07-09-2010 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mercury (Post 26831452)
You are wrong. JJ and Quick for Carter is not even fair for Carter, let alone overpayment.

you are telling me that a #1 goalie with a 1.8 cap hit for 3 more seasons and a Top 2 defensemen who still has like 4 years of RFA left is not worth a center who, although injured, played horrible in the playoffs and only has 1 year left before a big payday?

FLYERSFAN18 07-09-2010 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mercury (Post 26831619)
So the Flyers would have:

Pronger-Carle
Timonen-Coburn
Meszaros-Johnson

???

yea but this would give the flyers even more cap space because they could trade coburn or carle for another forward or goalie on a decent contract

DuckEatinShark 07-09-2010 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FLYERSFAN18 (Post 26831377)
I am proposing this if the kings dont get kovalchuck

To Kings

Carter
Hartnell
Boucher/Leighton (if wanted)
rights to carcillo (if wanted)


To Flyers

Brown
JJ
Quick (if the kings want to give the job to bernier)


Carter gives you a 40 goal scoring center to make up for production you could have got from kovy.

Hartnell adds some grit and another 20-25 goals (similar to browns output)

Brown gives the flyers a much needed right wing and cap relief. Zherdev (if it happens) could make up for some of carters goals.

the flyers can then turn coburn or carle for another supporting winger

This is beyond terrible for the Kings. Hartnell doesn't have much value to the Kings and the Kings wouldn't want backup goalies/Carcillo for free.

Basically LA trades their captain, #2 defenseman, and best goalie prospect (all of whom are 25 or younger) for Carter and Hartnell.

Giroux tha Damaja 07-09-2010 12:10 AM

Why are we trading for JJ? He's a good player....that we really don't need right now.

Also, If I were trade Carter, I would be looking for the return to be massively future oriented, all high ceiling prospects and picks.

Herby 07-09-2010 12:11 AM

The Kings defense is already pretty marginal, especially when it comes to guys with mobility. Trading Johnson would be a disaster.

And that would then leave the Kings committing close to 11 million for just Smyth and Hartnell on the LW, no thank you there.

FLYERSFAN18 07-09-2010 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by defer (Post 26831669)
you are telling me that a #1 goalie with a 1.8 cap hit for 3 more seasons and a Top 2 defensemen who still has like 4 years of RFA left is not worth a center who, although injured, played horrible in the playoffs and only has 1 year left before a big payday?

So would you do a Carter for JJ and Quick swap.

GirouxCouturier 07-09-2010 12:13 AM

id take bernier over quick

Shellz 07-09-2010 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyersflyers18 (Post 26831750)
id take bernier over quick

You can have him for free.

Martyros 07-09-2010 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FLYERSFAN18 (Post 26831739)
So would you do a Carter for JJ and Quick swap.

:facepalm: NO, he will not. Neither will any kings' fan at THIS point.

CS 07-09-2010 12:17 AM

No from Philly. We don't need Johnson and if we're sending over Carter, we better get Bernier.

Carter is about fair value for Brown + Bernier.

That said, LA doesn't need a center really. They wouldn't do it.

mercury 07-09-2010 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martyros (Post 26831791)
:facepalm: NO, he will not. Neither will any kings' fan at THIS point.

That would be an insane steal for the Kings.


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