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Draft Guru 05-24-2004 05:00 PM

Two 2005 2nd's for 2004 1st?
 
If we offered TOR 2005 2nd and PHI 2005 2nd for somebody's first round pick in the 18-25 range this year, think they'd bite?

CoolDude* 05-24-2004 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Draft Guru
If we offered TOR 2005 2nd and PHI 2005 2nd for somebody's first round pick in the 18-25 range this year, think they'd bite?


OH PLEASE!!!!!

Prucha73 05-24-2004 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Draft Guru
If we offered TOR 2005 2nd and PHI 2005 2nd for somebody's first round pick in the 18-25 range this year, think they'd bite?

I doubt it--not only do they have to wait a year, but they also likely to be very low 2nd rounders.

Bluenote13 05-24-2004 05:24 PM

I'd keep every pick we have in next years draft. That's how much i like next years crop of players.

Broadway Brett 05-24-2004 05:46 PM

Bob: How did you get that avatar?

NYR469 05-24-2004 06:11 PM

I wouldn't make that move cause next year is supposed to be a pretty deep draft

Barnaby 05-24-2004 06:19 PM

We have 5 2nds this year because it doesnt look like we are signing RJ. Why trade two next year? We'd have 8 picks this year, and one next year. Talk about all eggs in one basket.

Prucha73 05-24-2004 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Barnaby
We have 5 2nds this year because it doesnt look like we are signing RJ. Why trade two next year? We'd have 8 picks this year, and one next year. Talk about all eggs in one basket.

I think 5 2nd rounders including the Umberger compensation.

Barnaby 05-24-2004 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Prucha73
I think 5 2nd rounders including the Umberger compensation.

Thats exactly what I said...

"We have 5 2nds this year because it doesnt look like we are signing RJ."

Prucha73 05-24-2004 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Barnaby
Thats exactly what I said...

"We have 5 2nds this year because it doesnt look like we are signing RJ."

Sorry, I misread it

CoolDude* 05-24-2004 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Broadway Crosby
Bob: How did you get that avatar?

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Draft Guru 05-24-2004 08:00 PM

Two second round picks for a first round pick is good value, but only if a team feels there's nobody left on their board that jumps out at them and can take a chance on getting two B players instead of one A player.

I'm just wondering if it's possible. I'd rather have a 1st this year than two seconds next year personally. This would give us 3 first round picks and 5 second round picks this year. That could be a historic draft day for us. We still have our 1st and 2nd next year, so I don't really buy into the "putting all your eggs in one basket" theory.

Who knows if there will even be a draft next year, they might postpone it or randomly select the order or something. I'd like to get as many prospects right now before the lockout because who knows how long until hockey starts up again? If it lasts two years, some of these 8 draftees could be ready to step in and make an impact.

It's fun to think what if sometimes ;)

nyr7andcounting 05-24-2004 09:11 PM

How about this, instead of trading up Toronto's pick this year, we trade it for a first rounder next year. Let's say a team that picked earlier sees a player they almost took drop to 24/25, they might be willing to give up their pick next year to make that pick this year. If we trade with the right team, you'd have to assume we would have a first rounder next year in the 5-15 range along with our own first rounder. It's perhaps the easiest way to move up in a draft. You don't lost any assests, while you move up 10-15 spots depending on the team you trade with.

NYblades 05-24-2004 09:27 PM

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How about this, instead of trading up Toronto's pick this year, we trade it for a first rounder next year. Let's say a team that picked earlier sees a player they almost took drop to 24/25, they might be willing to give up their pick next year to make that pick this year. If we trade with the right team, you'd have to assume we would have a first rounder next year in the 5-15 range along with our own first rounder. It's perhaps the easiest way to move up in a draft. You don't lost any assests, while you move up 10-15 spots depending on the team you trade with.
I like that idea, it could increase the chances for Crosby if the team we trade for has a poor record next season, assuming there is a next season. :handclap:

bmoak 05-25-2004 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by nyr7andcounting
How about this, instead of trading up Toronto's pick this year, we trade it for a first rounder next year. Let's say a team that picked earlier sees a player they almost took drop to 24/25, they might be willing to give up their pick next year to make that pick this year. If we trade with the right team, you'd have to assume we would have a first rounder next year in the 5-15 range along with our own first rounder. It's perhaps the easiest way to move up in a draft. You don't lost any assests, while you move up 10-15 spots depending on the team you trade with.

This happens in the NFL a lot, but almost never in the NHL, especially with high round picks. Maybe in the bottom rounds if a team wants to take a flyer on a longshot and doesn't have a pick, they'll offer next year's pick in the same round (the Rangers did this to select the immortal Pontus Petterstrom a couple of years ago).

In any event, this kind of deal is entirely buyer-driven. Slats can push sucha trade until the cows come home, but unless another team is desperate for someone on the board at #26, that dog won't hunt.

Barnaby 05-25-2004 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by nyr7andcounting
How about this, instead of trading up Toronto's pick this year, we trade it for a first rounder next year. Let's say a team that picked earlier sees a player they almost took drop to 24/25, they might be willing to give up their pick next year to make that pick this year. If we trade with the right team, you'd have to assume we would have a first rounder next year in the 5-15 range along with our own first rounder. It's perhaps the easiest way to move up in a draft. You don't lost any assests, while you move up 10-15 spots depending on the team you trade with.

Not gonna happen - your not gonna land a top 5 or 10 pick next year for a 26th this year. It would have to be a good team that assumes a 20-30 like a NJ who gets decimated out of nowhere. It's not like Columbus, Pitt, Chi, or WSH are gonna offer their first next year to pick a guy ranked 25th this year. It sounds great in theory but its not realistic.


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