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bdemz 07-20-2010 02:35 PM

Jody Shelley - Good signing!
 
I don't care that he is just a goon. If he can do what he did to Goddard and Orr this year I will be happy:yo:

http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/92394

If you take away Cote's salary, Shelly only costs us about 500k per season. That's how I will digest it.

CharlieGirl 07-20-2010 02:39 PM

$1.1 million for 4 minutes a game. Fantastic deal.

Sorry, not seeing it.

sa cyred 07-20-2010 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlieGirl (Post 27008522)
$1.1 million for 4 minutes a game. Fantastic deal.

Some people still want to bring back the Broad Street Bullies.

CharlieGirl 07-20-2010 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sa cyred (Post 27008544)
Some people still want to bring back the Broad Street Bullies.

So would I, to a certain point. The fallacy is that the Bullies were only tough as nails. The fact is that, while they took no **** from anyone, they could play. That's a golden combination. Shelley, Cote and the majority of their contemporaries can't do both.

mypunkrock 07-20-2010 02:45 PM

Cocaine is a hellluva drug.

dookie88 07-20-2010 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bdemz (Post 27008439)
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If you take away Cote's salary, Shelly only costs us about 500k per season. That's how I will digest it.

One of the least reasonable things I've ever read.

Valhoun* 07-20-2010 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlieGirl (Post 27008613)
So would I, to a certain point. The fallacy is that the Bullies were only tough as nails. The fact is that, while they took no **** from anyone, they could play. That's a golden combination. Shelley, Cote and the majority of their contemporaries can't do both.

They had bruisers good for 15-20 goals a game.

We have Shelley and Cote.

bdemz 07-20-2010 02:52 PM

Why?
 
Why is this one of the least reasonable things said? If they don't sign Cote @ 500k and Shelly costs 1.1 mil then that's only an extra 600k per season for someone who can fight. Or would you guys still fell good about Cote out on the ice.

Carcillo is not a heavyweight and cannot handle these guys.

If you haven't noticed, it's still part of the game and the Eastern conference now has all of the good fighters no?

Goddard/Boogard/Orr ??

CharlieGirl 07-20-2010 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdemz (Post 27008781)
Why is this one of the least reasonable things said? If they don't sign Cote @ 500k and Shelly costs 1.1 mil then that's only an extra 600k per season for someone who can fight. Or would you guys still fell good about Cote out on the ice.

Carcillo is not a heavyweight and cannot handle these guys.

If you haven't noticed, it's still part of the game and the Eastern conference now has all of the good fighters no?

Goddard/Boogard/Orr ??

Just a question.... if their opponents don't dress a heavyweight, what do Goddard/Boogard/Orr do for their team that night?

clockwise 07-20-2010 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sa cyred (Post 27008544)
Some people still want to bring back the Broad Street Bullies.

That era is gone, I wish management could move past this and realize it; it's like a mobius strip.

As lovable as those teams were I doubt they would be nearly as memorable without the cup victories-Bernie.. Who was the reason they could play like barbarians.. Somehow Snyder and Paul have seemed to forgotten that Bernie was the key and we need a money goalie to win the damn thing.

Shelley is an ancillary player though, I can't understand going after him without resolving the goal tending issue.. If his deal was lighter I wouldn't mind so much.

bdemz 07-20-2010 02:57 PM

right
 
But you have to be prepared.

I think God/Boog/Orr dress most nights

Maybe we need to get back to

2 scoring lines
1 check line
1 clean upcrew

bdemz 07-20-2010 02:58 PM

Tell that to the other teams as well.

Again if they don't sign Cote, they only have 1 goon/ 1 aggitator (maybe 2 if you include Hartnell)

Where are all the other Bullies?

dookie88 07-20-2010 03:00 PM

Since Lavi is our coach, it won't happen. And I'm happy about it.
If I could choose between Shelley beating up someone because one of our starplayers has been touched and Gagne scoring a power play goal I'd take that goal by Gagne 11 out of 10 times.

bdemz 07-20-2010 03:01 PM

...
 
So if they didn't sign Shelly, they would have kept Gagne?

Andrew Knoll 07-20-2010 03:03 PM

Having lived in L.A. and seen a ton of Ivanans and Parros recently, those types of guys are essentially worthless, sorry. This is not the 1970s, giants like that would have been an asset that but now they are not singular and even if they were they would not be all that valuable.

Guys who cannot skate hard through a shift, move quickly, advance the puck and do anything other than occasionally win a board battle, fight another fat guy in a choreographed dance and take bad penalties have no place in the NHL today IMO.

Anymore you absolutely cannot carry a DMan like that even as a depth guy IMO and it's getting to where a forward like that is also a detriment.

And besides, the Flyers have SKILLED players who are also TOUGH and even FIGHT. Why do we need some schlub to goon it up exclusively?

FlyerEra2010 07-20-2010 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlieGirl (Post 27008807)
Just a question.... if their opponents don't dress a heavyweight, what do Goddard/Boogard/Orr do for their team that night?

Beat the hell out of the little guys since the other team has no one to defend them?

flyersfan187 07-20-2010 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlieGirl (Post 27008807)
Just a question.... if their opponents don't dress a heavyweight, what do Goddard/Boogard/Orr do for their team that night?

Run our star players all night long? We don't want our star players taking that much of a beaten in the regular season.

CharlieGirl 07-20-2010 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyerEra2010 (Post 27009059)
Beat the hell out of the little guys since the other team has no one to defend them?

Do you really believe this? When was the last time any of them fought a smaller, skilled player? I don't know, but I'd bet never.

And no coach is going to put them on the ice, knowing that if said tough guy starts a fight with a smaller, skilled player, they're likely looking at a minimum of a 7 minute PK.

samistheman 07-20-2010 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by flyersfan187 (Post 27009086)
Run our star players all night long? We don't want our star players taking that much of a beaten in the regular season.

perfect example of this was when colton orr ran leighton late in the season... flyers had no one to stop him from taking those kinds of liberties. yes he got a penalty for it but you just can't let that happen.... didn't orr also cheap shot richards in a previous game?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFzG_TQAN9k

dookie88 07-20-2010 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bdemz (Post 27009015)
So if they didn't sign Shelly, they would have kept Gagne?

I might be mistaken but I think we were over the cap because of the Shelley signing, that's why we signed Zherdev to replace Gagne and get under the cap by trading him away.
If we wouldn't have signed Shelley and Gagne I think it would've fit just under the cap, but I'm not 100% sure.

FlyerEra2010 07-20-2010 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlieGirl (Post 27009096)
Do you really believe this? When was the last time any of them fought a smaller, skilled player? I don't know, but I'd bet never.

I don't mean fight, I mean just go after them all game long.

Valhoun* 07-20-2010 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyerEra2010 (Post 27009059)
Beat the hell out of the little guys since the other team has no one to defend them?

Yeah...

samistheman 07-20-2010 03:10 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZC8mjQgzQs

here's the cheap shot on richards

bdemz 07-20-2010 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dookie88 (Post 27009128)
I might be mistaken but I think we were over the cap because of the Shelley signing, that's why we signed Zherdev to replace Gagne and get under the cap by trading him away.
If we wouldn't have signed Shelley and Gagne I think it would've fit just under the cap, but I'm not 100% sure.

I could be wrong but I think their plan was to trade Gagne all along. I will miss him and since Briere and Hartnell have no movement clauses, it was either him or Carter. I pefer to keep Carter and use Gagne's money, yes!!, to improve the D and get a little bigger. I firmly beleive with Zherdev/Leino (full season) Giroux and JVR, we will be fine with goal scoring next year.

I guess it's a question of do we go with Mez/Odonnell/Walker instead of Bart/Parent/??? or keep them and blow our load on an expensive old goalie (Turco/KHL guy)

flyersfan187 07-20-2010 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samistheman (Post 27009125)
perfect example of this was when colton orr ran leighton late in the season... flyers had no one to stop him from taking those kinds of liberties. yes he got a penalty for it but you just can't let that happen.... didn't orr also cheap shot richards in a previous game?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFzG_TQAN9k

Yeah he was going after him all game. We need to protect our star players and that is why Shelley is here.


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