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phillyfanatic 07-23-2010 06:16 AM

Carter/Giroux/Leino/Zherdev cap hit next year?
 
Curious what you think these guys will want/get? Also curious the max you give for each

Carter:
Giroux:
leino:
zherdev:

phillyfanatic 07-23-2010 06:25 AM

Carter:6-6.5
Giroux:3-4.5
leino:2-3.5
zherdev:4-5

DrinkFightFlyers 07-23-2010 07:30 AM

Carter I'd say 6-7 mil but I fully expect him to be traded at the deadline.
Giroux will probably be in the 3-4 range.
Leino is a crap shoot at this point. If he plays like he did in the playoffs I could see him getting 3-4 million, maybe not from the Flyers but from someone.
Zherdev is in the same boat as Leino. If he produces he could see a pretty nice raise into the 3-4 million area, but if he craps out I could easily see him just heading back to Russia or playing for a lower salary than he is now.

Beef Invictus 07-23-2010 07:35 AM

someone is gonna be gone, and i think its gonna depend on leino and zherdev. no clue what they'll make, depends on how their season goes.

El Emperor 07-23-2010 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Beef Invictus (Post 27058612)
someone is gonna be gone, and i think its gonna depend on leino and zherdev. no clue what they'll make, depends on how their season goes.

I think it's going to work this way... if Carter is still around by next offseason... Carter and Giroux will probably still be around. Then MAYBE Zherdev OR Leino can be fit into the books (not both).

If Carter is gone (and if so, the return better be epic), I would expect all three of the others to stick around.

Of course all of this depends on how well they play throughout the year.

I'm pretty sure the one guy that is a lock for the Flyers 2011 season is Giroux... but knowing Homer, who knows?

Alchemy 07-23-2010 08:08 AM

We can't resign all of them next year..

Some of them are goners.

might2mash 07-23-2010 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by flyersfan333 (Post 27058648)
I'm pretty sure the one guy that is a lock for the Flyers 2011 season is Giroux... but knowing Homer, who knows?

Don't count on it. I've decided my next jersey will be a Giroux, so he probably won't last past the trade deadline. ;)

chimrichalds18 07-23-2010 08:21 AM

Another good reason to get rid of Briere asap. Not personal, strictly business. His contract's already cost us and it's only gonna get worse.

Snotbubbles 07-23-2010 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by chimrichalds18 (Post 27058828)
Another good reason to get rid of Briere asap. Not personal, strictly business. His contract's already cost us and it's only gonna get worse.

Easier said then done.

First you have to find a team that Briere would waive his NMC to go to. Then that team has to be willing to eat Briere's salary. Briere's salary doesn't drop until the 13/14, chances are he's probably with us until then.

chimrichalds18 07-23-2010 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Snotbubbles (Post 27058931)
Easier said then done.

First you have to find a team that Briere would waive his NMC to go to. Then that team has to be willing to eat Briere's salary. Briere's salary doesn't drop until the 13/14, chances are he's probably with us until then.

No I completely understand -- I know it's easier said than done -- but it's like the Campbell situation in Chicago: Holmgren should be shopping that. It should be #2 on his priority list behind getting a goalie.

I guess if Briere doesn't want to go, he doesn't have to, but you might as well try. LA might actually be a decent destination for us to try to shop him. I wouldn't even care if we got a ****** return for him -- 50/60 cents on the dollar. I can't see how that contract doesn't kill us in the future.

agrudez* 07-23-2010 09:48 AM

Carter: 7-8 (unless we front load the hell out of it)
Giroux: 2-3 for 2 years or 3-4 for 3-4 years
leino: 2-3
zherdev: 4-5

C'est ne bonne pas mon amis.

Snotbubbles 07-23-2010 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by agrudez (Post 27059433)
Carter: 7-8 (unless we front load the hell out of it)
Giroux: 2-3 for 2 years or 3-4 for 3-4 years
leino: 2-3
zherdev: 4-5

C'est ne bonne pas mon amis.

7-8 for Carter and I'm letting him walk and taking the draft picks.

bennysflyers16 07-23-2010 09:58 AM

No way Carter gets over 6 mill from us unless he scores 40 goals and puts up over 80 points . I would offer him 9 years , 47 mill with it front loaded, but no way he gets over 6 mill.

chimrichalds18 07-23-2010 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Bennysflyers16 (Post 27059513)
No way Carter gets over 6 mill from us unless he scores 40 goals and puts up over 80 points . I would offer him 9 years , 47 mill with it front loaded, but no way he gets over 6 mill.

Just out of curiosity, are you saying there's no way the Flyers will offer him anything over 6 million, or are you saying there's no way he deserves 6+?

tlkamps 07-23-2010 10:13 AM

I posted this in the Zherdev signing topic but it applies here as well.

I could definitely see this happening. Leino has a disappointing season this year, so we bring back Zherdev at 3m, Giroux at 3.5m and Carter at 7 for 13.5 total. Which is that amount we plan on having next year anyway. Hopefully accounting for a +2m cap raise and we should be in good shape for maybe 1 bottom 6 player and an AHL call up.

Larry44 07-23-2010 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DrinkFightFlyers (Post 27058592)
Carter I'd say 6-7 mil but I fully expect him to be traded at the deadline.

Yeah, makes sense. Flyers in first place in the Atlantic, second in the East, and Cup contenders trade their 1C and leading scorer, Jeff Carter, because he's having too good a season and will need a raise.
Yeah, that's going to happen.

Give your head a shake.

FreshPerspective 07-23-2010 10:28 AM

Carter being leveraged for cap space and assets makes the most sense especially if he commands over 6M. The only way to justify paying him that much or beyond in the 7M range is if he becomes more of a consistent player offensively. The whole disappearing act for 10 games and appearing for 5 games is getting old. He has to become more of a consistent player instead of streaky to warrant tying up so much money given the other contracts that will be up. I don't see Leino and Zherdev together being signed...one of them is gone. Giroux should be back but he will need to put together a consistent year as well. Any long term injuries with either of these guys though will be tough in gauging their values going forward especially if it's Carter. I don't know if the Flyers should wait in his case until the end of the season to possibly part ways if the goaltending situation is still shaky. They may be forced in some ways to trade him earlier despite Holmgren's death grip on him.

As far as Briere...well yeah unloading his cap hit would make a lot of sense but not so much if you want anything in return asset wise. It would be another Gagne situation. That's why again Carter makes more sense on many levels. He is the most tradeable asset we have and again if he gets some kind of major injury the Flyers will be screwed ..kind of like when we were held hostage by Primeau that one year.

MsWoof 07-23-2010 10:30 AM

I can't see the Flyers offering Carter more than Richards. I figure they'll offer him a long term deal at about the same rate. Either he takes it or leaves it, and the one thing the Flyers have going for them is he seems to be firmly entrenched in the Philly area.

Leino and Zherdev...too early to tell. Leino was awesome in the playoffs but we haven't seen him during the regular season. Zherdev has a ton to prove. With Giroux, it's hard to say but I think 3-4 million.

CantSeeColors 07-23-2010 10:31 AM

Every one of these guys has a lot to prove this year. Doesn't really make sense to put a number on them at this point.

McNasty 07-23-2010 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrDoom (Post 27059827)
Carter being leveraged for cap space and assets makes the most sense especially if he commands over 6M. The only way to justify paying him that much or beyond in the 7M range is if he becomes more of a consistent player offensively. The whole disappearing act for 10 games and appearing for 5 games is getting old. He has to become more of a consistent player instead of streaky to warrant tying up so much money given the other contracts that will be up. I don't see Leino and Zherdev together being signed...one of them is gone. Giroux should be back but he will need to put together a consistent year as well. Any long term injuries with either of these guys though will be tough in gauging their values going forward especially if it's Carter. I don't know if the Flyers should wait in his case until the end of the season to possibly part ways if the goaltending situation is still shaky. They may be forced in some ways to trade him earlier despite Holmgren's death grip on him.

As far as Briere...well yeah unloading his cap hit would make a lot of sense but not so much if you want anything in return asset wise. It would be another Gagne situation. That's why again Carter makes more sense on many levels. He is the most tradeable asset we have and again if he gets some kind of major injury the Flyers will be screwed ..kind of like when we were held hostage by Primeau that one year.

Hes our best trade chip because he's our best forward. Trading him to keep Giroux Leino and Zherdev would be stupid.

chimrichalds18 07-23-2010 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrDoom (Post 27059827)
Carter being leveraged for cap space and assets makes the most sense especially if he commands over 6M. The only way to justify paying him that much or beyond in the 7M range is if he becomes more of a consistent player offensively. The whole disappearing act for 10 games and appearing for 5 games is getting old. He has to become more of a consistent player instead of streaky to warrant tying up so much money given the other contracts that will be up. I don't see Leino and Zherdev together being signed...one of them is gone. Giroux should be back but he will need to put together a consistent year as well. Any long term injuries with either of these guys though will be tough in gauging their values going forward especially if it's Carter. I don't know if the Flyers should wait in his case until the end of the season to possibly part ways if the goaltending situation is still shaky. They may be forced in some ways to trade him earlier despite Holmgren's death grip on him.

As far as Briere...well yeah unloading his cap hit would make a lot of sense but not so much if you want anything in return asset wise. It would be another Gagne situation. That's why again Carter makes more sense on many levels. He is the most tradeable asset we have and again if he gets some kind of major injury the Flyers will be screwed ..kind of like when we were held hostage by Primeau that one year.

I'm just going to address your last paragraph. With regards to unloading Briere, the primary goal of unloading him would be to get space, not assets. Also, Carter -- he's not even in his prime -- he's getting there, and he's a proven scorer. He's done it and he can do it again. Briere's past his prime, but he's still effective. All that taken together - there's no reason why we shouldn't be trying to move Briere now. We need to try to win the Cup within the next 2-3 years. Trading Carter and getting assets doesn't help us do that...trading Briere for a roster player or two, maybe a pick, does (while allowing us to keep people like Carter, Giroux, etc)

I'd be surprised if we keep Carter, Richards, and Briere, only because that's basically 3 $6 million contracts. Also ask yourself this: how many times has Briere been the best player in a game for us over the course of the season. Richards? Carter? Briere's not even close to the other two in that category.

Something's gotta give, so we'll see.

Larry44 07-23-2010 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McNasty (Post 27059869)
Hes our best trade chip because he's our best forward. Trading him to keep Giroux Leino and Zherdev would be stupid.

Thank you for stating what should be obvious.

Cartsiephan* 07-23-2010 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrDoom (Post 27059827)
Carter being leveraged for cap space and assets makes the most sense especially if he commands over 6M. The only way to justify paying him that much or beyond in the 7M range is if he becomes more of a consistent player offensively. The whole disappearing act for 10 games and appearing for 5 games is getting old. He has to become more of a consistent player instead of streaky to warrant tying up so much money given the other contracts that will be up. I don't see Leino and Zherdev together being signed...one of them is gone. Giroux should be back but he will need to put together a consistent year as well. Any long term injuries with either of these guys though will be tough in gauging their values going forward especially if it's Carter. I don't know if the Flyers should wait in his case until the end of the season to possibly part ways if the goaltending situation is still shaky. They may be forced in some ways to trade him earlier despite Holmgren's death grip on him.

As far as Briere...well yeah unloading his cap hit would make a lot of sense but not so much if you want anything in return asset wise. It would be another Gagne situation. That's why again Carter makes more sense on many levels. He is the most tradeable asset we have and again if he gets some kind of major injury the Flyers will be screwed ..kind of like when we were held hostage by Primeau that one year.

Plus you move Cartsie and get back a solid return you have now restocked the cupboard. Look at Boston moving Kessel, and Philly has a much better, deeper team than Boston. At some point the love for Carter was to wane and he needs to be realized as a commodity who can get significant return.

The options will basically be...Carter for four years @$7mill or eight years @$6mill and a NMC/NTC. See ya.

Cartsiephan* 07-23-2010 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chimrichalds18 (Post 27059913)
I'm just going to address your last paragraph. With regards to unloading Briere, the primary goal of unloading him would be to get space, not assets. Also, Carter -- he's not even in his prime -- he's getting there, and he's a proven scorer. He's done it and he can do it again. Briere's past his prime, but he's still effective. All that taken together - there's no reason why we shouldn't be trying to move Briere now. We need to try to win the Cup within the next 2-3 years. Trading Carter and getting assets doesn't help us do that...trading Briere for a roster player or two, maybe a pick, does (while allowing us to keep people like Carter, Giroux, etc)

I'd be surprised if we keep Carter, Richards, and Briere, only because that's basically 3 $6 million contracts. Also ask yourself this: how many times has Briere been the best player in a game for us over the course of the season. Richards? Carter? Briere's not even close to the other two in that category.

Something's gotta give, so we'll see.


Briere shows up in the clutch......Cartsie, eh not so much, advantage Briere.

langerrr 07-23-2010 11:18 AM

i wouldn't mind giving giroux a johan franzen type deal.. 11 years at 43.5 million which makes a caphit of 3.95 million a year.. give carter a front loaded contract with a cap hit around the same as richards 5.75

leino and zherdev are both UFA i would actually prefer to lockdown leino first for a 3 year/9 million contract... a caphit of 3 million.

as for zherdev i think its too early to tell i dont think the flyers will be able to hold onto him after this season.


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