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Russian Fan 05-26-2004 10:15 PM

How would you rate our PLAYERS ?
 
I know we can see on Hockey's future some rating between 1 to 10 & every grade is well explain.

Even if Dan (Montreal) makes a good job out of this, I have a hard time seeing so much 8 to 10 around every team pages that I can't find it very serious. (Like I said, Montreal DID A VERY GOOD JOB WITH IT)

So FIRST, I would like to know, what is a #1,2,3,4,5,6 to YOU ?
What is a real 1st liner, 2nd liner, 3rd liner, 4th liner to YOU ?


My reason behind this thread is very SIMPLE ? Sometime we are absolute HOMER & don't worry I'm not talking only about the Habs boards but on ABSOLUTELY EVERY TEAM BOARD.

So even if a player play 1st line , is he REALLY 1st LINE MATERIAL ???? (Yeah Zednik, I'm calling you OUT !!!)

So the GAME is very very SIMPLE. Put your HOMER HATS elsewhere & rate our players.

Do you understand the concept ? SIMPLE, NHL WISE , How would you rate our players ? So if you rate a player 1st line, that means he would be a 1st liner for MOST NHL TEAMS.

We will 2 step with this.

STEP 1 : OUR MONTREAL CANADIENS ACTUAL TEAM ?

FORWARDS :
ANSWERS POSSIBLE : 1st line, 2nd line, 3rd line, 4th line, usual bench SIMPLE
Steve Begin
Jan Bulis
Andreas Dackell
Pierre Dagenais
Jim Dowd
Saku Koivu
Alexei Kovalev
Darren Langdon
Yanic Perreault
Mike Ribeiro
Michael Ryder
Niklas Sundstrom
Jason Ward
Richard Zednik

DEFENSMENS :
ANSWERS POSSIBLE : #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, Usual Bench SIMPLE
Francis Bouillon
Patrice Brisebois
Mike Komisarek
Andrei Markov
Stephane Quintal
Craig Rivet
Sheldon Souray

GOALTENDER : #1, #2, AHL
Jose Theodore
Mathieu Garon

So you see it's easy even if it takes some time to do it. Also it's better to be conservative than be a homer by viewing the guy too high. (like saying Komisarek today would be a #2 guy in the NHL isn't very wise).

STEP 2 will take place later with how we perceive our prospects

The REASON BEHIND this ? To get a perspective of what, us, Habs Fans think/see/perceive our team. This way, I think we will see where we are in term of competitiveness of our team in the NHL next season

I hope you will like what I'm trying to do with this thread, I think it could be real fun to see

Russian Fan 05-26-2004 10:16 PM

my ranking
 
By the way here's my RANKING :

FORWARDS :
Saku Koivu : 1st line
Alexei Kovalev : 1st line
Mike Ribeiro : 2nd line
Michael Ryder : 2nd line
Richard Zednik : 2nd line
Jan Bulis : 3rd line
Yanic Perreault : 3rd line
Jim Dowd : 4th line
Steve Begin : 4th line
Pierre Dagenais : 4th line
Niklas Sundstrom : 4th line
Jason Ward : 4th line
Andreas Dackell : Usual Bench
Darren Langdon : Usual Bench

Conclusion : We have a lot of depth for our 3rd-4th line but we really miss some impact players. We have 3-2nd liner but I think it's a weak 2nd line.

DEFENSMENS :
Andrei Markov : #3
Sheldon Souray : #3
Patrice Brisebois : #3
Mike Komisarek : #4
Craig Rivet : #4
Stephane Quintal : #6
Francis Bouillon : Usual Bench

Conclusion : We got some nice D in Markov-Souray-Brisebois but none of them could fill a leadership role & be an impact player in the NHL.


GOALTENDERS :
Jose Theodore #1
Mathieu Garon #2

Conclusion : I know there's some real love for Garon but to think he's #1 material TODAY is being delusional. But this is indeed our strong point & the reason why we can make a case for a top 8 in our conference every year.

HF-Addict 05-26-2004 10:21 PM

I rate our players exactly the same you did Russian :D So I will agree with the Lightning fan...FOR NOW :p:

Beakermania* 05-26-2004 10:46 PM

Here's my RANKING :

FORWARDS :
Saku Koivu : 1st line
Alexei Kovalev : 1st line
Mike Ribeiro : 2nd line
Michael Ryder : 2nd line
Richard Zednik : 2nd line
Jan Bulis : 3rd line
Yanic Perreault : 3rd line
Jason Ward : 3rd line
Jim Dowd : 4th line
Steve Begin : 4th line
Niklas Sundstrom : 4th line
Pierre Dagenais : Usual Bench
Andreas Dackell : Usual Bench
Darren Langdon : Usual Bench


DEFENSEMEN :
Andrei Markov : #2
Sheldon Souray : #3
Patrice Brisebois : #3
Mike Komisarek : #4
Craig Rivet : #5
Stephane Quintal : Usual Bench
Francis Bouillon : Usual Bench


GOALTENDERS :
Jose Theodore #1
Mathieu Garon #2 (but among the best #2s in the NHL.)

ChemiseBleuHonnete 05-26-2004 11:03 PM

Saku Koivu 1st line
Alexei Kovalev 1st line
Michael Ryder 1st/2nd line (could be first line material next season)
Mike Ribeiro 2nd line
Richard Zednik 2nd line
Jan Bulis 2nd/3rd line
Steve Begin 3rd line
Jim Dowd 3rd line
Jason Ward 3rd line
Yanic Perreault 3rd line
Darren Langdon 4th line
Niklas Sundstrom Bench
Andreas Dackell Bench
Pierre Dagenais Bench

Sheldon Souray #2
Andrei Markov #2
Craig Rivet #3
Patrice Brisebois #4
Mike Komisarek #5
Francis Bouillon #6
Stephane Quintal #6/Bench

Jose Theodore #1
Mathieu Garon #1

Russian Fan 05-26-2004 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HF-Addict
I rate our players exactly the same you did Russian :D So I will agree with the Lightning fan...FOR NOW :p:

I still love your avatar against CGY

(damn did I hate that AVATAR in the 2nd round :banghead: )

Mathieu Lavergne 05-26-2004 11:21 PM

Saku Koivu 1st line
Alexei Kovalev 1st line
Michael Ryder 2nd line
Mike Ribeiro 2nd line
Richard Zednik 2nd line
Jan Bulis 3rd line
Jim Dowd 3rd line/4th line
Jason Ward 3rd line/4th line
Niklas Sundstrom 3rd line/4th line
Steve Begin 4th line
Andreas Dackell 4th line/Bench
Darren Langdon Bench/4th line
Yannic Perreault offense & face-off specialist no line
Pierre Dagenais Bench


Sheldon Souray #2/#3
Andrei Markov #2/#3
Patrice Brisebois #4
Craig Rivet #5
Mike Komisarek #5/#6 (no way SEVEN playoff games makes a top-4 rearguard on MOST NHL team)
Francis Bouillon #6/Bench
Stephane Quintal #6/Bench

Jose Theodore #1
Mathieu Garon #2 on the rise

Russian Fan 05-26-2004 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saku K.
Mike Komisarek #5/#6 (no way SEVEN playoff games makes a top-4 rearguard on

You are right , I was probably too generous myself as a #4 :amazed: :innocent:

Habsfool 05-26-2004 11:40 PM

Here's my RANKING :

FORWARDS :
Saku Koivu : 1st line
Alexei Kovalev : 1st line
Mike Ribeiro : 2nd line
Michael Ryder : 2nd line
Richard Zednik : 2nd line
Jan Bulis : 3rd line
Yanic Perreault : 2rd line (on his hot streak)
Jason Ward : 3rd line
Jim Dowd : 4th line
Steve Begin : 4th line
Niklas Sundstrom : 4th line
Pierre Dagenais : Usual Bench
Andreas Dackell : Usual Bench
Darren Langdon : Usual Bench


DEFENSEMEN :
Andrei Markov : #3
Sheldon Souray : #4 (#2 on hot streak)
Patrice Brisebois : #3
Mike Komisarek : #4
Craig Rivet : #4
Stephane Quintal : Usual Bench
Francis Bouillon : #5


GOALTENDERS :
Jose Theodore #1
Mathieu Garon #2 still yhere until he prove us he is really better then a#2

Traitor8 05-26-2004 11:45 PM

Steve Begin- 4th line
Jan Bulis-3rd line
Andreas Dackell-4th line
Pierre Dagenais-bench filler-4th liner
Jim Dowd-4th line
Saku Koivu-1st line
Alexei Kovalev-1st line
Darren Langdon-4th line
Yanic Perreault-2nd line
Mike Ribeiro-2nd line
Michael Ryder-2nd line
Niklas Sundstrom-3rd line
Jason Ward-3rd/4th line
Richard Zednik-2nd line

DEFENSMENS :
ANSWERS POSSIBLE : #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, Usual Bench SIMPLE
Francis Bouillon-#5
Patrice Brisebois-#4
Mike Komisarek-#4 right now/ see him as #1 in future
Andrei Markov #2
Stephane Quintal #6
Craig Rivet #4
Sheldon Souray if healthy #1-2 , if not #5-6




GOALTENDER : #1, #2, AHL
Jose Theodore #1
Mathieu Garon #2

tinyzombies 05-26-2004 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russian Fan
DEFENSMENS :
Andrei Markov : #3
Sheldon Souray : #3
Patrice Brisebois : #3
Mike Komisarek : #4
Craig Rivet : #4
Stephane Quintal : #6
Francis Bouillon : Usual Bench

Conclusion : We got some nice D in Markov-Souray-Brisebois but none of them could fill a leadership role & be an impact player in the NHL.

I agree 100% with what you said about the forwards and goaltending, though Kovalev could easily slip to 2nd line status if he floats.

I think you are way too harsh on the D, depending on what a #3 ranking means to you. I think Markov and Souray both have proven they are #2's and both have upside as well.

Brisebois is a #4 imo. He's solid in that role. Ask him for any more and it's scary. To me the difference is that a #3 gets more PP time and I think he's awful on the PP. Doesn't move the puck well, has no vision, can't keep it in, can't walk the line and get a nice little shot off, is too in love with his shot. Basically, useless on the PP.

Komisarek is a #6/7 right now. He is still very shaky when moving the puck, but has shown great improvement and will definitely be a top 4 one day. The question is, can be be a #2 one day? Or a top notch defensive specialist? I think so... maybe in 3-4 years though.

Rivet is a solid #4 and doesn't get too much PP time, which is fine.

I think Quintal is a #7 now. He's too slow and is often caught flat-footed. He's lost his physical edge as well. He still has a good pair of hands, but his legs are gone. He used to rely on positioning, but now he can't even be consistently SLOW.

Bouillon has passed Q and can now be considered a #6 imo. He really showed a lot in his first full season. He can be better with more experience. I really like the job he did in a limited role. He gets into trouble when paired with Brisebois though, becuase neither of them can clear the crease and Brisebois coughs up the puck.

From what I've seen of Hainsey, I think he can step in as a #6. He'll have to sharpen his play in the defensive zone and learn to not pinch too much and play a smaller game like Komi is doing. I don't know if he could get it into his noggin to do that.

Nice thread.

Russian Fan 05-27-2004 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raketheleaves
I think Markov and Souray both have proven they are #2's and both have upside as well.

a #1-2 can log 30 minutes + & be efficient : NOT THE CASE for Souray or Markov

Souray did not prove he is a #2 for 40 games that he played over his head IMO
Markov is a potential #2 but like my thread TODAY he's a #3 IMO, not enough efficient in his own zone & too risky for a #2.

Souray before this season was a borderline #4 & he got the hype of his all-star selection. Souray is the same kind of example of Keith Primeau today. Primeau is now a superstar who ''supposedly'' got steal a spot from Team Canada & 5 months ago people would have laugh if someone would have laugh if someone would have said Primeau ROCK !!!!

Beakermania* 05-27-2004 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russian Fan
a #1-2 can log 30 minutes + & be efficient : NOT THE CASE for Souray or Markov

I don't know about 30minutes + for a number one dman, i would say closer to 25 minutes.

Aucoin lead the league in ice time and he averaged like 28 this season. He was over thirty a couple years ago, but with the hurry up faceoff rule, you have seen ice times on number 1 d men drop.

Russian Fan 05-27-2004 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beakermania
I don't know about 30minutes + for a number one dman, i would say closer to 25 minutes.

Aucoin lead the league in ice time and he averaged like 28 this season. He was over thirty a couple years ago, but with the hurry up faceoff rule, you have seen ice times on number 1 d men drop.

you're right on this , even at 25 minutes my point is still valid, no one on the Habs can log that kind of ICE TIME & (KEY WORD) STAY efficient for the whole game.

Just look @ Brisebois before last year & Souray this playoff. Too much too handle for them.

CHareth 05-27-2004 02:59 AM

Virtually the same as Saku K's

Koivu - 1st line
Kovalev - 1st line
Ryder - 2nd line
Ribeiro - 2nd line
Zednik - 2nd line
Bulis - 3rd line
Dowd - 3rd line/4th line
Ward - 3rd line/4th line
Sundstrom - 3rd line
Begin - 4th line
Dackell - 4th line/Bench
Langdon - Bench/4th line
Perreault - powerplay and offensive zone face-offs
Dagenais - No ice for you!

Souray - #2/#3
Markov - #2/#3
Brisebois - #4
Rivet - #5
Komisarek - #5/#6
Bouillon - #6/Bench
Quintal - #6/Bench

Theodore - #1
Garon - #2

Tuggy 05-27-2004 03:10 AM

FORWARDS :

Steve Begin - 4th line
Jan Bulis - 2nd/3rd line
Andreas Dackell - Switzerland
Pierre Dagenais - Go with Andreas ;)
Jim Dowd - 3rd/4th line
Saku Koivu - 1st line
Alexei Kovalev - 1st line
Darren Langdon - 4th line
Yanic Perreault - Bye Bye
Mike Ribeiro - 2nd line
Michael Ryder - 2nd line
Niklas Sundstrom - Bye Bye
Jason Ward - 3rd/4th line
Richard Zednik - 2nd line

DEFENSEMEN :

Francis Bouillon - #6
Patrice Brisebois - #4
Mike Komisarek - #5/#6 (right now)
Andrei Markov - #2
Stephane Quintal - Bye Bye
Craig Rivet - #4/#5
Sheldon Souray - #2

Defense is extremely suspect

GOALTENDERS :

Jose Theodore - #1
Mathieu Garon - #2

Souffle 05-27-2004 03:35 AM

This is an interesting exercise. I'll add a new category of "specialist"

FORWARDS :
Saku Koivu : 1st line
Alexei Kovalev : 1st line
Mike Ribeiro : 2nd line/PP specialist
Michael Ryder : 2nd line
Richard Zednik : 2nd line
Yanic Perreault : 2nd line/faceoff specialist
Jan Bulis : 3rd line
Niklas Sundstrom : 3rd line/4th line
Jim Dowd : 4th line
Steve Begin : 4th line/PK specialist
Jason Ward : 4th line/PK specialist
Pierre Dagenais : Reserve forward
Andreas Dackell : Reserve forward
Darren Langdon : Reserve forward/tough guy specialist

Assessment: The forward corps needs size. It needs a big scoring winger...

DEFENSEMEN :
Andrei Markov : #2/3
Sheldon Souray : #4
Patrice Brisebois : #4
Mike Komisarek : #4/5
Craig Rivet : #4/5
Stephane Quintal : Reserve defenceman/PK specialist
Francis Bouillon : Reserve defenceman
Ron Hainsey: Reserve defenceman/PP specialist

Assessment: Decent depth, but lacking a genuine top 2. Souray might return to the top form he briefly showed last year, but then again he might just return to being a 4th/5th defenceman.

GOALTENDERS :
Jose Theodore #1
Mathieu Garon #2

Assessment: The team's strength. We still don't know whether Theo overachieved when he won the Hart and Vezina, but he is at least top 10 league-wide, and probably safely in the top 5.

Needs: Size up front and skill on defence.

Dan K 05-27-2004 06:17 AM

FORWARDS :
Saku Koivu : 1st line
Alexei Kovalev : 1st line
Richard Zednik : 1st line/2nd line
Mike Ribeiro : 2nd line/trade bait :)
Michael Ryder : 2nd line
Yanic Perreault : 2nd line/bench warmer
Jan Bulis : 3rd line
Niklas Sundstrom : 3rd line
Jim Dowd : 3rd line
Jason Ward : 3rd line
Steve Begin : 4th line
Pierre Dagenais : Bench warmer
Andreas Dackell : Gone
Darren Langdon : Bench Warmer/4th line

DEFENSEMEN :
Andrei Markov : #2/3
Sheldon Souray : #4
Patrice Brisebois : #5
Mike Komisarek : #5
Craig Rivet : #6
Francis Bouillon : #6
Stephane Quintal : #7, so that he won't stay here :)
Ron Hainsey: Hopefully can crack the line-up

GOALTENDERS :
Jose Theodore #1
Mathieu Garon #2

Now I know I'm gonna take heat for listing Mike Ribeiro as trade bait, but I don't think we can be a true contender with 2 small top line centers. And unless Mike can elevate his game (and his level of heart) even further than I did this year, I think he's gonna eventually have to go. I do believe that Niklas Sundstrom is a very viable 3rd liner and if we choose to keep him around, I feel he's a great asset to the team. I also think Zednik can be a potential 1st line winger, but only if we have 3 quality players on the 2nd line as well. Plus, Zednik-Koivu-Kovalev have good chemistry.
Clearly, our defense corps is not in a great state right now, but hopefully next year Souray will be fully recovered and back on his game, and Bouillon and Komisarek can pick right back up where they left off, and maybe even Hainsey can be a pleasant surprise.

Catala 05-27-2004 07:05 AM

FORWARDS :
Saku Koivu : 1st line
Alexei Kovalev : 1st line
Richard Zednik : 2nd line
Mike Ribeiro : 2nd line
Michael Ryder : 2nd line
Yanic Perreault : 3rd line/if offensive line
Jan Bulis : 3rd line
Niklas Sundstrom : 3rd line
Jim Dowd : 4rth line
Jason Ward : 4rth line
Steve Begin : 4th line
Pierre Dagenais : 9th line
Andreas Dackell : playing on 1rst line in Europe it appears
Darren Langdon : 4th line

DEFENSEMEN :
Andrei Markov : #2
Sheldon Souray : #3
Patrice Brisebois : #5
Mike Komisarek : #5 will be #3 soon
Craig Rivet : #4
Francis Bouillon : #6
Stephane Quintal : #7
Ron Hainsey: ?

GOALTENDERS :
Jose Theodore #1
Mathieu Garon #2


Just my opinion :)

Blind Gardien 05-27-2004 07:19 AM

Okay, but for some players I'll reserve the right to say 1st/2nd line, etc, because there is such a disparity of team strengths in the NHL that it really is a fine line for some of these guys...

FORWARDS :
Saku Koivu : 1st line
Alexei Kovalev : 1st line/2nd line
Mike Ribeiro : 2nd line/press box
Michael Ryder : 2nd line
Richard Zednik : 2nd line
Jan Bulis : 3rd line
Yanic Perreault : 2nd line/3rd line/press box
Jim Dowd : 3rd line/4th line
Steve Begin : 4th line
Pierre Dagenais : press box/AHL
Niklas Sundstrom : 4th line
Jason Ward : 4th line
Andreas Dackell : press box/Europe
Darren Langdon : 4th line/press box

Conclusion : we need to see if Kovalev stays and can play consistently like a first liner (which he certainly did not do last season with us or with NYR, save for a handful of playoff games), whether Ribeiro can maintain last season's pace as a decent 2nd line centre (he's useless if he can't), and for the long haul, we have to hope that Kastitsyn or Perezhogin can fulfill their maximum potential. Depth guys are never a problem, but we still lack a true 3rd line leader. We have lots of supporting role depth, but we don't have a real defensive superhero in the Carbo, Gainey, Primeau, Draper, Madden, etc. tradition.

DEFENSEMEN :
Andrei Markov : #2/#3
Sheldon Souray : #2/#3
Patrice Brisebois : #4/press box
Mike Komisarek : #5
Craig Rivet : #4
Stephane Quintal : press box/please retire
Francis Bouillon : #6/press box

Conclusion : If Souray and Markov can give us full seasons of the best we've seen from them, then I'm pretty happy with our #2/3/4 spots. Not many teams actually do have what I would call a #1 defenseman, so the line is a bit blurred there... the way Souray was playing up to the All-Star break, well, technically that would be like a #1 in today's NHL. But I need to see it for more than just half a season.

I suppose Brisebois is my controversy... he played as a good #4 for the most part this year, but I think he treads a fine line... everything went well for him this year, but I don't think it would take much for him to become an afterthough on our blueline. Quintal is miserable, no two ways around it, and hopefully some sucker of a GM out there will take him off our hands. Bouillon is good enough filler. I think we have pretty good character and leadership (Rivet, Souray esp., maybe one day Komisarek), but we still need to add another quality defenseman (you can't get #1's easily, so another #2 like Zhitnik would be fine), and I hope that Hainsey will be able to replace Brisebois. Keeping Dyhkhuis around for more depth would be fine by me.

GOALTENDERS :
Jose Theodore #1
Mathieu Garon #2

Conclusion : I agree with the original poster: Garon is NOT #1, by any stretch, no way, no how. Maybe he could be one day if he had the chance, but I think the same can be said for about 20 or more other goalies, while at the same time, there are already very few teams who do not have a #1 already.

markov` 05-27-2004 07:23 AM

FORWARDS :
Steve Begin: 4th line
Jan Bulis: 3rd line
Andreas Dackell: Usual bench
Pierre Dagenais: Usual bench
Jim Dowd: 3rd line
Saku Koivu: 1st line
Alexei Kovalev: 1st line
Darren Langdon: 4th line
Yanic Perreault: 2nd line
Mike Ribeiro: 2nd line
Michael Ryder: 2nd line
Niklas Sundstrom: 3rd line
Jason Ward: 4th line
Richard Zednik: 2nd line

DEFENSMENS :
Francis Bouillon #6
Patrice Brisebois #3
Mike Komisarek #5
Andrei Markov #2
Stephane Quintal Usual bench
Craig Rivet #3
Sheldon Souray #2

GOALTENDER :
Jose Theodore #1
Mathieu Garon #1

Le depisteur 05-27-2004 10:04 AM

FORWARDS:
Steve Begin -> 4th line
Jan Bulis -> 2nd line/3rd line
Andreas Dackell -> 4th line
Pierre Dagenais -> 2nd line
Jim Dowd -> 3rd line/4th line
Saku Koivu -> 1st line
Alexei Kovalev -> 1st line
Darren Langdon -> 4th line
Yanic Perreault -> 2nd line/4th line
Mike Ribeiro -> 2nd line
Michael Ryder -> 2nd line
Niklas Sundstrom -> 3rd line/4th line
Jason Ward -> 3rd line/4th line
Richard Zednik -> 2nd line

DEFENSMENS:
Francis Bouillon -> #6
Patrice Brisebois -> #3
Mike Komisarek -> #5/#6
Andrei Markov -> #2
Stephane Quintal -> #6
Craig Rivet -> #2/#3
Sheldon Souray -> #1/#2

GOALTENDER:
Jose Theodore -> #1
Mathieu Garon -> #1/#2

Joe Cole 05-27-2004 10:37 AM

I will separate my answer in two, what these players are to the Habs, and what they are in comparison to an elite team.

As Habs

FORWARDS :
ANSWERS POSSIBLE : 1st line, 2nd line, 3rd line, 4th line, usual bench SIMPLE
Steve Begin 4
Jan Bulis 3
Andreas Dackell bench utility
Pierre Dagenais bench utility
Jim Dowd 3
Saku Koivu 1
Alexei Kovalev 1
Darren Langdon 4
Yanic Perreault 2
Mike Ribeiro 2
Michael Ryder 2
Niklas Sundstrom 3
Jason Ward 4
Richard Zednik 1

DEFENSMENS :
ANSWERS POSSIBLE : #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, Usual Bench SIMPLE
Francis Bouillon 4
Patrice Brisebois 3
Mike Komisarek 6
Andrei Markov 1
Stephane Quintal bench
Craig Rivet 5
Sheldon Souray 2

GOALTENDER : #1, #2, AHL
Jose Theodore 1
Mathieu Garon 2

Compared with Elite team rosters

FORWARDS :
ANSWERS POSSIBLE : 1st line, 2nd line, 3rd line, 4th line, usual bench SIMPLE
Steve Begin 4
Jan Bulis 3
Andreas Dackell bench utility
Pierre Dagenais bench utility
Jim Dowd 4
Saku Koivu 2
Alexei Kovalev 1
Darren Langdon 4
Yanic Perreault 4
Mike Ribeiro 3
Michael Ryder 2
Niklas Sundstrom bench
Jason Ward bench
Richard Zednik 3

DEFENSMENS :
ANSWERS POSSIBLE : #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, Usual Bench SIMPLE
Francis Bouillon bench
Patrice Brisebois 6
Mike Komisarek 5
Andrei Markov 3
Stephane Quintal bench
Craig Rivet 5
Sheldon Souray 3

GOALTENDER : #1, #2, AHL
Jose Theodore 1
Mathieu Garon 2

EaGLE1 05-27-2004 05:25 PM

Steve Begin 4th
Jan Bulis 3rd
Andreas Dackell 3rd on a poor team or Europe
Pierre Dagenais AHL
Jim Dowd 4th
Saku Koivu 1st
Alexei Kovalev 1st
Darren Langdon 4th goon
Yanic Perreault 2nd on a poor team or 3rd
Mike Ribeiro 2nd
Michael Ryder 2nd
Niklas Sundstrom 3rd
Jason Ward 3rd or 4th
Richard Zednik 2nd

DEFENSMENS :
Francis Bouillon 6th
Patrice Brisebois 4th
Mike Komisarek 4th
Andrei Markov 2nd
Stephane Quintal 6th
Craig Rivet 5th
Sheldon Souray 3rd

GOALTENDER :
Jose Theodore 1st
Mathieu Garon 1st

VAN-HAB 05-27-2004 05:33 PM

Steve Begin 4th
Jan Bulis 3rd
Andreas Dackell Europe
Pierre Dagenais AHL
Jim Dowd 4th
Saku Koivu 1st
Alexei Kovalev 1st
Darren Langdon 4th
Yanic Perreault 3rd
Mike Ribeiro 2nd
Michael Ryder 2nd
Niklas Sundstrom 4t
Jason Ward 4th
Richard Zednik 1st

DEFENSMENS :
Francis Bouillon 7th
Patrice Brisebois 4th
Mike Komisarek 2th
Andrei Markov 1st
Stephane Quintal 6th
Craig Rivet 5th
Sheldon Souray 2rd

GOALTENDER :
Jose Theodore 1st
Mathieu Garon 1st


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