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Komarov47 07-30-2010 01:42 AM

Niemi, a possible choice for the Flyers?
 
Since Niemi is almost out of Chicago http://www.rds.ca/hockey/chroniques/303440.html could the Flyers go after Niemi? The major issue would be his salary and the cap space needed, but should Homer makes some trade or "salary dumb" to afford Niemi? What's your thought?

Juicy Couturier* 07-30-2010 01:47 AM

Why would we go after Niemi who is going to fetch way more than Turco? If he wasnt looking for $3+ Million he would be signed already.

HawksFan74 07-30-2010 01:47 AM

Can you translate the article? He is not OUT of Chicago yet. That being said, why would the Flyers go after him?

Komarov47 07-30-2010 01:54 AM

Most of the article talk about the fact that Chicago can't afford him above $ 2.000 0000 and that tue rumor is that Niemi will ask for $ 3.000 000 in arbitration. Well for me Niemi is better than Leighton-Emery-Boucher-Backlund, it's as simple as that, but the major issue is his salary. Excepted this issue, why wouldn't you consider go after him?

SeanVT395 07-30-2010 01:58 AM

Too expensive

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Juicy Couturier* 07-30-2010 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Big Bear (Post 27163971)
Most of the article talk about the fact that Chicago can afford him above $ 2.000 0000 and that tue rumor is that Niemi will ask for $ 3.000 000 in arbitration. Well for me Niemi is better than Leighton-Emery-Boucher-Backlund, it's as simple as that, but the major issue is his salary. Excepted this issue, why wouldn't you consider go after him?

Marty Turco is better and cheaper. That simple. We don't need a long term goalie with guys like Bobo and Eriksson waiting. We need something like a 2 year deal which is perfect to Turco.

Komarov47 07-30-2010 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by CannonGoBoom (Post 27164007)
Marty Turco is better and cheaper. That simple. We don't need a long term goalie with guys like Bobo and Eriksson waiting. We need something like a 2 year deal which is perfect to Turco.

Not sure about that, first of all Niemi is 26, Turco 34, and even if Turco is more experimented, the fact is that Niemi's stats are better last season that Turco. But i agree with you that Turco is a more possible solution. I just wanted to know if Flyers fans wanted Homer to clear some space for Niemi.

HawksFan74 07-30-2010 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Big Bear (Post 27163971)
Most of the article talk about the fact that Chicago can't afford him above $ 2.000 0000 and that tue rumor is that Niemi will ask for $ 3.000 000 in arbitration. Well for me Niemi is better than Leighton-Emery-Boucher-Backlund, it's as simple as that, but the major issue is his salary. Excepted this issue, why wouldn't you consider go after him?

I think 2.5 is around the cutoff, I'm not sure what team is going to pay him 3 million at this point.

FlyerEra2010 07-30-2010 02:04 AM

I really don't think Homer is going to sign another goalie, but I'd be okay with signing Niemi for a couple years. Depends on the price of course, 2 years for 5 million total would be fine with me. He'll probably end up getting more than that though and he's not worth making room for when Turco is still out there for a cheaper price.

Giroux tha Damaja 07-30-2010 02:08 AM

It's kind of interesting, because when Niemi makes mistakes, they're of the same variety as the ones that Leighton used to make, only he is actually able to bail himself out pretty often. Wouldn't mind seeing is Jeff Reese's formula/approach could work with him, there's certainly parallels there...

Komarov47 07-30-2010 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by FlyerEra2010 (Post 27164039)
I really don't think Homer is going to sign another goalie, but I'd be okay with signing Niemi for a couple years. Depends on the price of course, 2 years for 5 million total would be fine with me. He'll probably end up getting more than that though and he's not worth making room for when Turco is still out there for a cheaper price.

I totally agree. How much left on the Flyers cap space?

FlyerEra2010 07-30-2010 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Big Bear (Post 27164067)
I totally agree. How much left on the Flyers cap space?

Hard to say exactly.

Right now we have 877,737 in space with 8 defenseman and 13 forwards (I removed Cote). If we bury Walker in the minors, we'd have 2,577,737 in space which would include Boucher. Get rid of Boucher and that's another million which puts us right around 3.5 in space.

If we keep Walker on the roster and instead send Bartulis back down, we'd have 1,477,737 including Boucher and a little under 2.5 million without him.

Komarov47 07-30-2010 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by FlyerEra2010 (Post 27164094)
Hard to say exactly.

Right now we have 877,737 in space with 8 defenseman and 13 forwards (I removed Cote). If we bury Walker in the minors, we'd have 2,577,737 in space which would include Boucher. Get rid of Boucher and that's another million which puts us right around 3.5 in space.

If we keep Walker on the roster and instead send Bartulis back down, we'd have 1,477,737 including Boucher and a little under 2.5 million without him.

Yep it's pretty tie... i wonder how much Turco could ask..

dookie88 07-30-2010 02:38 AM

So why exactly does anyone think Niemi is better than Leighton?

Komarov47 07-30-2010 03:07 AM

Leighton 27 Gp - 2.49 Gaa - .918
Niemi 39 Gp - 2.25 Gaa - .912
Turco 53gp - 2.72 - .913

dookie88 07-30-2010 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Big Bear (Post 27164367)
Leighton 27 Gp - 2.49 Gaa - .918
Niemi 39 Gp - 2.25 Gaa - .912
Turco 53gp - 2.72 - .913

And this proves exactly what?

Komarov47 07-30-2010 03:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dookie88 (Post 27164409)
And this proves exactly what?

Nothing, just numbers.

Giroux tha Damaja 07-30-2010 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by dookie88 (Post 27164223)
So why exactly does anyone think Niemi is better than Leighton?

A: Because he is.

B: Because when I watch them I see a massive difference in terms of potential for improvement.

Komarov47 07-30-2010 03:41 AM

http://www.broadstreethockey.com/201...iemi#storyjump

Here's in interesting article on Broad Street Hockey, some may have already read it.

dookie88 07-30-2010 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by I am The Mush (Post 27164490)
A: Because he is.

Now THAT is an educated statement.


Statistically Leighton was better in the regular season and in the playoffs than Niemi. And while Niemi was better in the Stanley Cup Finals, he was just less worse. Both sucked.

Giroux tha Damaja 07-30-2010 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by dookie88 (Post 27164605)
Now THAT is an educated statement.

What can I say, goal tending is kind of my thing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dookie88 (Post 27164605)
Statistically Leighton was better in the regular season and in the playoffs than Niemi. And while Niemi was better in the Stanley Cup Finals, he was just less worse. Both sucked.

If stats are what does it for you, cool. Goalies don't play in a vacuum though. For whatever it's worth, my opinion is rooted in actually watching them play.


It's a lot easier to get an athletic spaz like Niemi to cut down on his positional mistakes than it is to turn a sloth like Leighton into an adequate athlete. I am oversimplifying my argument a little bit for the sake of brevity, but that is the majority of why I say Niemi has more room for improvement.

In the finals Niemi was making more difficult saves, more often. And he got legitamitely left out to dry more often than anyone cares to mention (or if people are saying that, then I am missing it). Leighton was getting scored on by very stoppable shots. I'm oversimplifying my case, but that says a good deal about why I think he's better now.

Opus 07-30-2010 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by dookie88 (Post 27164223)
So why exactly does anyone think Niemi is better than Leighton?

Salary aside, you don't think Niemi is better?

The Cheat 07-30-2010 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Opus (Post 27164838)
Salary aside, you don't think Niemi is better?

Honestly, I think the fact that he's much younger and has the potential to improve gives him an edge, but as for 1:1 matchups right here, right now based on what just happened in the last few months, they are about equal.

but leighton isn't gonna get any younger, and niemi can only get better. not to say leighton can't improve, but he's kinda leight-in the game...

Also, leighton has a size advantage, but it's arbitrary. nice to have, but not ultimately necessary

Giroux tha Damaja 07-30-2010 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Soda Popinski (Post 27164904)
Honestly, I think the fact that he's much younger and has the potential to improve gives him an edge, but as for 1:1 matchups right here, right now based on what just happened in the last few months, they are about equal.

but leighton isn't gonna get any younger, and niemi can only get better. not to say leighton can't improve, but he's kinda leight-in the game...

For whatever it's worth, Niemi is 27, so not a spring chicken in terms of his development, but still room for growth, of course.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soda Popinski (Post 27164904)
Also, leighton has a size advantage, but it's arbitrary. nice to have, but not ultimately necessary

We're comparing Leighton's 6'3'' 180 lbs. to Niemi's 6'2'' 205 lbs., so it's kind of splitting hairs. Niemi is all limbs. If you ever see him in street clothes he has a short thick torso and loooong arms and legs, a good build for his position.

DUHockey9 07-30-2010 08:41 AM

Personally, I'd want nothing to do with Niemi. I really don't think he's that good. Yes, I do think he's a bit better than Leighton, but as someone said earlier, Niemi's mistakes seem to be Leighton-esque. He's going to get a solid chunk of money and I don't think it's worth it.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'd rather stick with Leighton-Boucher. (Barring Niemi coming super cheap...which isn't happening).


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