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somethingbruin 08-02-2010 10:03 PM

Bruins to sign Seguin
 
http://twitter.com/RogersSportsnet

3 yr max entry level contract

guest1467 08-02-2010 10:04 PM

Interesting, what are we looking at here? A 3 million+ cap hit?

somethingbruin 08-02-2010 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by buddahsmoka1 (Post 27213938)
Interesting, what are we looking at here? A 3 million+ cap hit?

Same as Hall? 3.75

bruinsfan46 08-02-2010 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by buddahsmoka1 (Post 27213938)
Interesting, what are we looking at here? A 3 million+ cap hit?

$900,000 cap hit for this year. His bonuses (which could get up to $2.85 million) will count on the cap next year.

Shellz 08-02-2010 10:19 PM

Damn. I was hoping the Leafs could sign him. :(

seanlinden 08-02-2010 10:20 PM

Isn't his cap hit as teh 2nd overall pick slightly lower than Hall's??

Either way, they'll problably use just under a $2m projection for where his salary ends up.

CloutierForVezina 08-02-2010 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jfried (Post 27214215)
Isn't his cap hit as teh 2nd overall pick slightly lower than Hall's??

Either way, they'll problably use just under a $2m projection for where his salary ends up.

Probably not.

Almost every high end prospect is signed to the maximum allowable contract. That is 900k base salary + 850k in possible "Group A" bonuses and up to 2 million in possible "Group B" bonuses for a total cap hit for 3.75 million.

The only variation I see in most high end prospect's ELCs are how much money they get per "Group B" bonus they hit.

Toews got 1.3 million for hitting his Conn Smythe "Group B" bonus where as Malkin got the full 2 million if he hit any of the "Group B" bonuses.

alx83* 08-02-2010 11:44 PM

I thought they were gonna trade him

silverstick 08-02-2010 11:47 PM

he'll be better than Hall IMO

OutbreakCH 08-02-2010 11:48 PM

e5. bruins comeout of nowhere and steal this up and comer

seanlinden 08-02-2010 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CloutierForVezina (Post 27215362)
Probably not.

Almost every high end prospect is signed to a the maximum allowable contract. That is 900k base salary + 850k in possible "Group A" bonuses and up to 2 million in possible "Group B" bonuses for a total cap hit for 3.75 million.

Tavares: $3.75m
Hedman: $3.5m
Duchene: $3.4m

Stamkos: $3.75m
Doughty: $3.475m
Bogosian: $2.725m

Kane: $3.75m
Van Riemsdyk: $1.654m
Turris: $2.725m

Coincidence?

RStar* 08-02-2010 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by silverstick (Post 27215402)
he'll be better than Hall IMO

Nope.

ShawnTHW 08-03-2010 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverstick (Post 27215402)
he'll be better than Hall IMO

Yep.

bruinsfan46 08-03-2010 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverstick (Post 27215402)
he'll be better than Hall IMO

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Originally Posted by RStar (Post 27215475)
Nope.

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Originally Posted by PycckuuRocket10 (Post 27215583)
Yep.

Maybe?

guest1467 08-03-2010 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by bruinsfan46 (Post 27213981)
$900,000 cap hit for this year. His bonuses (which could get up to $2.85 million) will count on the cap next year.

Why? Tavares cap hits counted last season for the Islanders.

MuchoMacho 08-03-2010 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by buddahsmoka1 (Post 27215772)
Why? Tavares cap hits counted last season for the Islanders.

you can go over the cap by a percentage of like 10% with a bonus cushion, but seeing how the bruins are so close to the cap and the likely hood of seguin achieving his bonuses, thus putting the bruins over the cap, that amount will be deducted from their next year's cap. if seguin does not achieve his bonuses, they will not be penalized next year.

islanders/tavares was different because they were no where near the cap. thus never invoked the bonus cushion.

bruinsfan46 08-03-2010 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by buddahsmoka1 (Post 27215772)
Why? Tavares cap hits counted last season for the Islanders.

You'll have to ask someone who knows the CBA better than myself but it's something to do with the bonus cushion or something along those lines. I've been reading on the Bruins board for weeks that his cap hit will only be $900k this season. Bonuses carry over to next season. Dr Quincey could clear it up real good if he sees this.

seanlinden 08-03-2010 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by bruinsfan46 (Post 27215914)
You'll have to ask someone who knows the CBA better than myself but it's something to do with the bonus cushion or something along those lines. I've been reading on the Bruins board for weeks that his cap hit will only be $900k this season. Bonuses carry over to next season. Dr Quincey could clear it up real good if he sees this.

Bonuses CAN carry over to next season, but that doesn't mean Chiarelli is going to chose to. Basically, the B's are allowed to exceed the cap with bonuses, if bonuses get earned (some most likely will), and the B's end up spending over the cap as a result, they get transfered as a cap penalty next year. If Chiarelli doesn't want to start screwing up next year's cap (like Chicago did this year), then he'll leave adequate space for Seguin to earn whatever portion of bonuses Chiarelli reasonably believes he'll earn.

A max rookie can earn about $1.8m (including base salary) based on statistics only. Anything more requires him to win (or finish top 3) in major league awards, and he very well could be a calder candidate.

CloutierForVezina 08-03-2010 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jfried (Post 27215441)
Tavares: $3.75m
Hedman: $3.5m
Duchene: $3.4m

Stamkos: $3.75m
Doughty: $3.475m
Bogosian: $2.725m

Kane: $3.75m
Van Riemsdyk: $1.654m
Turris: $2.725m

Coincidence?

Yes. You get no special award for being 1st overall, the maximum allowable contract is the maximum allowable contract.

Seeing as how Seguin/Hall were considered essentially equal, I'd be incredibly surprised if the Bruins tried to short change him on B bonuses that he probably won't hit anyways.

It Kills Me 08-03-2010 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by bruinsfan46 (Post 27213981)
$900,000 cap hit for this year. His bonuses (which could get up to $2.85 million) will count on the cap next year.

Most of his bonuses won't count at all, he won't earn them.

TheStranger 08-03-2010 01:36 AM

Wait....who?

Chandrashekhar Limit 08-03-2010 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Shellz (Post 27214196)
Damn. I was hoping the Leafs could sign him. :(

I laughed (I'm a leafs fan).

I think he makes the same as Hall.

guest1467 08-03-2010 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by CloutierForVezina (Post 27216129)
Yes. You get no special award for being 1st overall, the maximum allowable contract is the maximum allowable contract.

Its not a coincidence dude, first overall picks always get a more extensive bonus package every single year. It is a prize for being the most sought after prospect in your draft year.

guest1467 08-03-2010 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by It Kills Me (Post 27216156)
Most of his bonuses won't count at all, he won't earn them.

They still count towards the cap whether he earns them or not.

It Kills Me 08-03-2010 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by buddahsmoka1 (Post 27216423)
They still count towards the cap whether he earns them or not.

No. Why would money not paid out count against the cap?


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