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KidRobot 08-09-2010 08:06 AM

Club Hockey (D3) skill level
 
Just wondering what Division 3 club hockey in the northeast would be considered in terms of house leagues (B, C?)


Any help is appreciated, thanks.

Cowbell232 08-09-2010 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by KidRobot (Post 27299203)
Just wondering what Division 3 club hockey in the northeast would be considered in terms of house leagues (B, C?)


Any help is appreciated, thanks.

Are you talking about NCAA D3 Club? That's probably A or high B level hockey, no?

KidRobot 08-09-2010 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Cowbell232 (Post 27300735)
Are you talking about NCAA D3 Club? That's probably A or high B level hockey, no?

No way is D3 club A or High B. Thats usually Junior players and if you're playing junior, you won't end up on a D3 club.

Bear of Bad News 08-09-2010 11:41 AM

Are you referring to ACHA Division 3?

I can't speak for the Northeast, but I played all three ACHA levels (thanks to a long time in graduate school). Division 3 out here is comparable to a high B level.

Gunnar Stahl 30 08-09-2010 11:56 AM

my bro playe D1 acha and id say its around the same as NCAA d3

KidRobot 08-09-2010 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Doctor No (Post 27301494)
Are you referring to ACHA Division 3?

I can't speak for the Northeast, but I played all three ACHA levels (thanks to a long time in graduate school). Division 3 out here is comparable to a high B level.

Yep. Thanks for the help.

Harv 08-09-2010 05:39 PM

I play ACHA D3 and it might just be our league, but we get a good mix of players.

Just in our 8 team league, we have OHL draft picks, ontario provincial hockey league players, Jr. A players, AAA players, etc.

If they didn't play any kind of serious Jr hockey, they were a force in the local high school league. Like 70pts in 25 games.

It's a mix of the first group of players I mention, the outstanding HS players, and out of state players. (Upstate NY, Maryland, Michigan, etc)


The gap between NCAA players and ACHA players is commitment and dedication. Not necessarily skill. The players that could of played in the OHL wasn't because they weren't talented enough, it's because they didn't want to be in the gym and skate 6 days a week. They'd rather party all saturday night and go play on Sunday afternoon, which is what they do. Not all of them are like that. Some players had serious injuries, others weren't big enough. A player on my team was playing Jr A. hockey in New Hampshire on track to playing NCAA hockey. He had a pretty serious shoulder injury. The team sent him home and his NCAA hockey hopes were over. So he enrolled at our school and is playing ACHA D3 now.

Now of course theres a skill gap between NCAA D1 and D3 club, but it's not like the gap between A house league and D house league.

sbkbghockey 08-09-2010 06:13 PM

D III ACHA hockey is comparable to B level house leagues (maybe A in some better ACHA teams or in areas with worse A house leagues).

In the Northeast and Northern parts of the us ACHA DIII is well structured with lots of good players. Usually good-top high school players. A lot of those ACHA DIII teams could compete in ACHA DII, and some teams have/are moving up in recent seasons.

ACHA DIII teams in the Northeast are generally pretty good require tryouts and you'd better have played at least high school hockey, but in other parts of the country DIII is more of a Hockey CLUB with less organized programs, and some teams don't even have tryouts (ppl with no hockey experience can play).

General previous playing experience:

ACHA DIII- ex high school players, Jr C
ACHA DII- ex above average-top high school, Jr. B, low Jr A, midget major
ACHA DI- ex top high school, Jr. B, low-mid Jr A, midget major
NCAA DIII- mid Jr A, gifted high school, prep school
NCAA DI- high-best Jr A, gifted prep school

Ribosome 08-09-2010 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Harv (Post 27308868)
The gap between NCAA players and ACHA players is commitment and dedication. Not necessarily skill. The players that could of played in the OHL wasn't because they weren't talented enough, it's because they didn't want to be in the gym and skate 6 days a week. They'd rather party all saturday night and go play on Sunday afternoon, which is what they do. Not all of them are like that. Some players had serious injuries, others weren't big enough. A player on my team was playing Jr A. hockey in New Hampshire on track to playing NCAA hockey. He had a pretty serious shoulder injury. The team sent him home and his NCAA hockey hopes were over. So he enrolled at our school and is playing ACHA D3 now.

Or, they wanted to receive a good college education while they were still young instead of chasing a pipe dream. Some of us aren't just lazy, but realistic ;)

I would agree that it is somewhat comparable to NCAA D3. Of course, some teams more so than others.

sbkbghockey 08-09-2010 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ribosome (Post 27309512)
Or, they wanted to receive a good college education while they were still young instead of chasing a pipe dream. Some of us aren't just lazy, but realistic ;)

I would agree that it is somewhat comparable to NCAA D3. Of course, some teams more so than others.

NO ACHA DIII teams are comparable to NCAA DIII!! The higher end ACHA DI teams, like Penn State, Illinois, Robert Morris (IL), Lindenwood, and a few others are.

Harv 08-09-2010 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by sbkbghockey (Post 27310826)
NO ACHA DIII teams are comparable to NCAA DIII!! The higher end ACHA DI teams, like Penn State, Illinois, Robert Morris (IL), Lindenwood, and a few others are.

Agreed. No ACHA D3 team is going to touch an NCAA team.

ACHA D3 will play ACHA D1 and win, that's not out of the ordinary.


In the ACHA being D1 D2 D3 has more to do with your enrollment, rink size, etc more than it has to do with skill level. This hurts teams who have no business in D1 or teams who have no business being in D3.

sbkbghockey 08-09-2010 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Harv (Post 27310996)
Agreed. No ACHA D3 team is going to touch an NCAA team.

ACHA D3 will play ACHA D1 and win, that's not out of the ordinary.


In the ACHA being D1 D2 D3 has more to do with your enrollment, rink size, etc more than it has to do with skill level. This hurts teams who have no business in D1 or teams who have no business being in D3.

That's true to some extent, there's a few ACHA DI and ACHA DII teams that have no business being there and a few of the higher end ACHA DIII teams could compete with them. With the solid programs in each division there's generally is a skill level gap. I'd also say ACHA DI is more seperate than DII and DIII, with a lot less of a skill gap btwn the lower ACHA divisions.

KidRobot 08-10-2010 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by sbkbghockey (Post 27309475)
D III ACHA hockey is comparable to B level house leagues (maybe A in some better ACHA teams or in areas with worse A house leagues).

In the Northeast and Northern parts of the us ACHA DIII is well structured with lots of good players. Usually good-top high school players. A lot of those ACHA DIII teams could compete in ACHA DII, and some teams have/are moving up in recent seasons.

ACHA DIII teams in the Northeast are generally pretty good require tryouts and you'd better have played at least high school hockey, but in other parts of the country DIII is more of a Hockey CLUB with less organized programs, and some teams don't even have tryouts (ppl with no hockey experience can play).

General previous playing experience:

ACHA DIII- ex high school players, Jr C
ACHA DII- ex above average-top high school, Jr. B, low Jr A, midget major
ACHA DI- ex top high school, Jr. B, low-mid Jr A, midget major
NCAA DIII- mid Jr A, gifted high school, prep school
NCAA DI- high-best Jr A, gifted prep school

Good stuff. Thanks for this.

MNWild9 08-11-2010 05:01 PM

for the guys that played ACHA what team did you play for?

WDR357 08-11-2010 10:46 PM

Having played with a ACHA D1 player this summer and college D3 players, I'd say the ACHA player was just as good. Some parts of his game were better, some not as good but he could have easily competed in college D3.

Bear of Bad News 08-12-2010 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by MNWild9 (Post 27340776)
for the guys that played ACHA what team did you play for?

University of Colorado - Boulder (D1, D2, and D3). And coached the women's D1 team, so kind of an "all over" thing.

PeterSidorkiewicz 08-12-2010 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Doctor No (Post 27301494)
Are you referring to ACHA Division 3?

I can't speak for the Northeast, but I played all three ACHA levels (thanks to a long time in graduate school). Division 3 out here is comparable to a high B level.

Im going to graduate school in fall 2011, are grad students allowed to play on ACHA teams, Im assuming by your comments they are, or does it depend on individual schools policies? I wouldn't mind trying out for it, although Ill probably feel like a total oldass if I actually play on a team. :D

Bear of Bad News 08-14-2010 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by PeterSidorkiewicz (Post 27355176)
Im going to graduate school in fall 2011, are grad students allowed to play on ACHA teams, Im assuming by your comments they are, or does it depend on individual schools policies? I wouldn't mind trying out for it, although Ill probably feel like a total oldass if I actually play on a team. :D

It depends on your eligibility requirements, but if you didn't play as an undergraduate (or played but not all years), you are likely okay. Make sure that you're taking enough credits (it was easy for me, since all I was taking were dissertation hours, and the math department was paying for those).

Other than that, it's up to your school's philosophy - due to injuries, we had one game where our goalies were 41 and 27 years old (I was the 27-year-old :D )

From the coaches' manual (2009-10, so they may change by the time you get there):
http://achahockey.org/files/2009_10_manual.pdf

Eligibility and Appeals Rulings
1. A student-athlete shall not be eligible for participation in the ACHA if the
individual received pay for participation in the sport.
2. Student athletes who have played professionally, including Major Junior A
hockey (OHL, WHL, QMJHL), shall not be eligible for competition in the ACHA.
3. Student athletes shall utilize a year of ACHA eligibility for each year of
competition at a junior college, as well as any college program (M1, M2, M3,
W1, W2, non-ACHA, club, NCAA, NAIA, etc.).
4. ACHA student athletes shall be required to sign a player agreement form at the
beginning of each season or whenever added to the player roster before playing
a game.
5. If a player's eligibility is challenged by another team, the ACHA reserves the
right to petition the registrar of the player's university to verify the eligibility
of a player.

A. General Player Eligibility
1. For schools where ACHA and NCAA hockey programs exist at the same
institution, an NCAA rostered player may not participate in the ACHA during the
same season. An NCAA rostered player is defined as any player who is listed on
the eligibility list filed with the NCAA or their respective league for that season,
regardless of whether or not the player participated in any games or was listed
on any game sheet. Players who are red-shirted shall also be included in this
rule.
2. No Men’s Division 1 player may be added to a team roster after February 15.
3. Men’s Division 1 – Student athlete transfers between schools shall require
written consent along with coach-to-coach communication followed by a written
release signed by all parties.

B. Men’s Division 1 Academic Requirements
1. Student athletes shall be limited to four years of eligibility, however, in the
event a Men’s Division 2 team moves to Men’s Division 1, those players whose
four years of eligibility expired the previous season while competing at the
Men’s Division 2 level shall be granted one additional year of eligibility for the
team’s first season at the Men’s Division 1 level. Should a former Men’s
Division 1 team move back to Men’s Division 1 this eligibility extension shall
not apply.
2. Student athletes shall be enrolled in a program of study leading to a
baccalaureate degree or equivalent degree as determined by the regulations of
the university. Men’s Division 1 student athletes may be enrolled in a second
baccalaureate degree or graduate program providing the student is enrolled at
the same Institution he/she attended as an undergraduate and the student has
eligibility remaining as specified in paragraph 1 of this section.
3. Student athletes must enroll in a minimum of 12 credit hours and drop to no
lower than 9 credit hours during each semester of competition. A player who
drops below 9 credit hours during a semester becomes immediately ineligible to
continue competition. An equivalent standard shall be applied to institutions
utilizing a quarter system.
4. Student athletes must successfully complete (take and pass) a minimum of 9
credits each semester to be eligible for play in the following semester. This
applies to the fall semester only. [2003]
5. Each Men’s Division 1 student athlete participating in consecutive semesters of
competition after the first academic year must have successfully completed
(taken and passed) 24 semester hours or equivalent in the previous 12 months
or in the previous academic year. [2003]
6. No student athlete may participate in more than four national tournaments
(including regional tournaments).
7. A senior in the last semester or quarter prior to graduation is not required to
meet the 12 credit or equivalent hour minimum, provided the Commissioner is
notified in writing by an official Team Representative.
8. If a student athlete has participated in 20% of all his team’s scheduled games
(preseason, exhibition, etc.), that student athlete shall have used a full year of
eligibility. A student athlete may be granted an additional year of eligibility if
he/she participated in less than 20% of regularly scheduled games in any one
season. Red-shirted student athlete’s names must be submitted at the
beginning of the season along with the team’s registration form.
9. Student athletes who transfer are not subject to residence status requirements
but each year played in intercollegiate competition shall be counted as a year
of eligibility.
10. Student athletes, who transfer, in order to be eligible to play for their new
team, must have been eligible to play for their previous team at the time they
transferred. If they were not so eligible, they cannot play for their new team
until they satisfy all eligibility requirements as if they had previously played for
their new team.

Harv 08-14-2010 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by PeterSidorkiewicz (Post 27355176)
Im going to graduate school in fall 2011, are grad students allowed to play on ACHA teams, Im assuming by your comments they are, or does it depend on individual schools policies? I wouldn't mind trying out for it, although Ill probably feel like a total oldass if I actually play on a team. :D

They are. You'll be fine as long as you weren't playing any pro hockey. By pro I mean anything that you got paid to play for. Even Jr. A Canadians leagues.

I've seen situations where kids have play 2 games for random leagues that fold mid season but since it was a paid league they got screwed out of ACHA hockey.

PeterSidorkiewicz 08-15-2010 12:20 PM

Thanks for the info to the both of you, I'll definitely be looking into it. I should be good since all I played was HS hockey and intramural ice leagues in college.

Judging by how I played this weekend though, I'll have to start playing more than I have (barely played at all this summer) I wouldn't want to embarrass.

flyersguy33* 08-15-2010 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by PeterSidorkiewicz (Post 27389610)
Thanks for the info to the both of you, I'll definitely be looking into it. I should be good since all I played was HS hockey and intramural ice leagues in college.

Judging by how I played this weekend though, I'll have to start playing more than I have (barely played at all this summer) I wouldn't want to embarrass.

Yea. ACHA D1 and D2 you get 4 years of eligibility. D3 you get 5 years. Putting my 5th year to use this upcoming year. You can use those years up whenever you want. However, I think you can only have 3 grad school players on a team or something like that. You should be fine though.

MNWild9 08-16-2010 07:25 AM

The reason why I ask is cause the college in my old town is a ACHA D1 school Minot State University Beavers anyone ever play against them

Harv 08-16-2010 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by flyersguy33 (Post 27400681)
Yea. ACHA D1 and D2 you get 4 years of eligibility. D3 you get 5 years. Putting my 5th year to use this upcoming year. You can use those years up whenever you want. However, I think you can only have 3 grad school players on a team or something like that. You should be fine though.

One thing with the 5 years is that once you complete your 4 year degree, your 5th year has to be towards a grad degree. It can't be towards another undergrad degree. But you can use all 5 on 1 undergrad degree.

flyersguy33* 08-16-2010 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Harv (Post 27409978)
One thing with the 5 years is that once you complete your 4 year degree, your 5th year has to be towards a grad degree. It can't be towards another undergrad degree. But you can use all 5 on 1 undergrad degree.

yea, ill be using 4.5 years on an undergrad degree. trying to find a way to stay at school to play all season.


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