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n8 09-03-2010 12:59 AM

FINAL 2010 Summer Edition Prospect Rankings
 
NYR Prospect Ranking

TOP PROSPECTS

1. (+3) Derek Stepan (C) - Drafted in the 2nd Round of the 2008 Draft
2. (+5) Chris Kreider (LW) - Drafted in the 1st Round of the 2009 Draft
3. (+0) Evgeny Grachev (LW) - Drafted in the 3rd Round of the 2008 Draft
4. (+2) Ryan McDonagh (D) - Drafted in the 1st Round by Montreal in the 2007 Draft.
5. (NR) Mats Zuccarello Aasen (LW) - Undrafted, Signed by NYR in 2010.
6. (NR) Dylan Mcilrath (D) - Drafted in the 1st Round in the 2010 Draft
7. (+2) Ethan Werek (C) - Drafted in the 2nd Round in the 2009 Draft
8. (+6) Dale Weise (RW) - Drafted in the 4th Round in the 2008 Draft.
9. (NR) Christian Thomas (RW) - Drafted in the 2nd Round in the 2010 Draft.
10. (+3) Carl Hagelin (LW) - Drafted in the 6th Round in the 2007 Draft

SECOND TIER

11. (-1) Chad Johnson (G) - Drafted by Pittsburgh in the 5th Round of the 2006 Draft
12. (+0) Mike Sauer (D) - Drafted in the 2nd Round of the 2005 Draft.
12. (+7) Pavel Valentenko (D) - Drafted by the Montreal Canadians in the 5th Round of the 2006 Draft.
14. (+1) Ryan Bourque (LW) - Drafted in the 3rd round of the 2009 Draft.
15. (+10) Mikhail Pashnin (D) - Drafted in the 7th round of the 2009 Draft.
16. (+0) Dane Byers (LW) - Drafted in the 2nd round of the 2004 Draft.
17. (+3) Roman Horak (C) - Drafted in the 5th round of the 2009 Draft.
18. (-1) Tomas Kundratek (D) - Drafted in the 3rd round of the 2008 Draft.
19. (NR) Andrew Yogan (C) - Drafted in the 4th Round in the 2010 Draft
20. (+4) Brodie Dupont (LW) - Drafted in the 3rd round of the 2005 Draft.

THIRD TIER

21. (NR) Jesper Fasth (RW) - Drafted in the 6th Round in the 2010 Draft
22. (NR) Jyri Niemi (D) - Drafted in the 3rd Round by Islanders in the 2008 Draft.
23. (+3) Daniel Maggio (D) - Drafted in the 6th round of the 2009 draft
24. (+2) Scott Stajcer (G) - Drafted in the 5th round of the 2009 draft
25. (-7) David Kveton (RW) - Drafted in the 4th round of the 2006 draft
26. (-3) Nigel Williams (D) - Drafted in the 2nd round by Colorado in the 2006 draft
27. (NR) Sam Klassen (D) - Undrafted, Signed by NYR in 2009.
28. (+1) Justin Soryal (LW) - Undrafted, Signed by NYR in 2008.
T 29/30. (NR) Lee Baldwin (D) - Undrafted, Signed by NYR in 2010.
T 29/30. (NR) Randy McNaught (RW) - Drafted in the 7th Round in the 2010 Draft

HONORABLE MENTIONS

31. Cam Talbot
32. Jason Wilson
33. Max Campbell
34. Tysen Dowzak
35. Devin Didiomente*

GRADUATES

Michael Del Zotto
Artem Anisimov
Matt Gilroy

SUBTRACTIONS (from the last season's poll)

Bobby Sanguinetti
Ilkka Heikkinen
Mitch Gaulton
Chris Doyle
Jordan Owens
Miika Wiikman

FOR DISCUSSION

link -> Compare to last years' rankings
  • What changes would you make to the list?
  • What would your own Top 5, 10, 20, 30 rankings look like?
  • Which prospects do you think improved the most since the last poll?
  • Which prospects regressed?
  • In regards to prospects, where do you see our organizational strengths in?
  • Weakness and holes?
  • What weaknesses were addressed in the last 6 months?
  • What weaknesses would you like to see the Rangers address in the future?

Here's a breakdown of the rankings by position (with last year's breakdown in parenthesis)

C: 4 (4)
LW: 8 (9)
RW: 5 (2)
D: 11 (12)
G: 2 (3)

Thanks to all who participated and see you all in 6 months.

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*this is a write in as I forgot to include him in the final poll

Black Tank 09-03-2010 04:21 AM

Thing I'm most pleased about is that top prospects 1 and 2 from last year's list made it to the NHL and looked damn good. To me that more than makes up for a high ranking bust (at least for NY) like Sanguinetti.

eco's bones 09-03-2010 05:07 AM

It's a good list but I think most people would be making minor adjustments. Usually if any player is within three spots or so of where you'd rank them then you're in the same ballpark and I think this list is very close to that. Later on I might rank how I see them but I don't have the time right now. Going with my top 6. 1. Kreider 2. McDonagh 3. Stepan 4. Grachev 5. McIlrath 6. Zuccarello Aasen.

BrooklynRangersFan 09-03-2010 08:38 AM

Actually, for me this is one of the better ones we've ever done, but as always there are a couple of differences that caused me to still choose option 2. Most notably, I think Stepan is our 3rd best prospect (after Kreider and Grachev) and Weise is WAAAY too high. Other than that, almost no complaints.

Jumbo* 09-03-2010 08:47 AM

Probably the worst list (or at least the most differences) for me in a long time. The top 10 are pretty much the same though.

NYR Sting 09-03-2010 09:10 AM

Not bad, all things considered. Four things stand out to me:

McIlrath way too high, Weise too high, Sauer and Valentenko too low.

BrooklynRangersFan 09-03-2010 09:38 AM

Quick edit - shouldn't McNasty be a RW?

n8 09-03-2010 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BrooklynRangersFan (Post 27639875)
Quick edit - shouldn't McNasty be a RW?

oops. fixed. thanks.

eco's bones 09-03-2010 03:35 PM

Maybe something like this:

1. Kreider
2. McDonagh (may have the best chance of any prospect to make the team).
3. Stepan
4. Grachev
5. McIlrath (though MZA, Grachev and McIlrath are almost interchangeable for me at this point)
6. Zuccarello Aasen
7. Werek
8. Weise
9. Thomas
10. Valentenko
11. Byers
12. Johnson
13. Pashnin
14. Sauer
15. Hagelin
16. Kundratek
17. Yogan
18. Horak
19. Dupont
20. Bourque (I have some grave doubts about him. His size and his tendency to get his bell rung).
21. Baldwin
22. Niemi
23. Maggio
24. Stajcer
25. Talbot

n8 09-03-2010 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by eco's bones (Post 27644654)
20. Bourque (I have some grave doubts about him. His size and his tendency to get his bell rung).

it may just be Q preseason and I don't think he's slated out to be an offensive prospect (2-way?) anyways but he's got 7 points in 3 games already. doesn't mean much but I think he's progressing and developing nicely. I think he could develop into a Tim Kennedy type player who is currently about the same size.

eco's bones 09-03-2010 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by n8 (Post 27648095)
it may just be Q preseason and I don't think he's slated out to be an offensive prospect (2-way?) anyways but he's got 7 points in 3 games already. doesn't mean much but I think he's progressing and developing nicely. I think he could develop into a Tim Kennedy type player who is currently about the same size.

And I'm wondering if he's even going to make it through another season there. There's no doubt he could be a good player but I don't think he may be able to handle a couple more concussions. Not his fault but the odds seem stacked against him.

nyr2k2 09-03-2010 10:29 PM

Pretty good.

RESPECT THE SHIELD10 09-03-2010 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by n8 (Post 27648095)
it may just be Q preseason and I don't think he's slated out to be an offensive prospect (2-way?) anyways but he's got 7 points in 3 games already. doesn't mean much but I think he's progressing and developing nicely. I think he could develop into a Tim Kennedy type player who is currently about the same size.

I see him as more of an agitator.

Only thing that really sticks out in my mind on this list is Niemi. I just have a great feeling about this kid. Nothing to back it up, just a hunch that he's going to be very good.

n8 09-04-2010 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RESPECT THE SHIELD10 (Post 27650364)
I see him as more of an agitator.

Only thing that really sticks out in my mind on this list is Niemi. I just have a great feeling about this kid. Nothing to back it up, just a hunch that he's going to be very good.

Niemi is gonna get a lot of attention for his near 100 mph slap shot that's for sure. I just hope he is able to keep developing his game in the AHL at a strong growth rate.

SomE 09-04-2010 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by n8 (Post 27651882)
Niemi is gonna get a lot of attention for his near 100 mph slap shot that's for sure. I just hope he is able to keep developing his game in the AHL at a strong growth rate.

People knock him because his numbers in the juniors have gone down each season. That's where I bring up other tall dmen with booming shots such as Chara and Souray.. at times during their junior careers their offensive numbers where non-existant. Niemi will always have his shot and size. I have a good feeling aswell.

eco's bones 09-04-2010 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SomE (Post 27652121)
People knock him because his numbers in the juniors have gone down each season. That's where I bring up other tall dmen with booming shots such as Chara and Souray.. at times during their junior careers their offensive numbers where non-existant. Niemi will always have his shot and size. I have a good feeling aswell.

A booming shot is one thing--accuracy with it in game situations is another. Chara has better size and a mean disposition that Niemi doesn't. He used those things to establish himself and the offensive numbers came later. Niemi's game from what little I know of it reminds me of Alexander Karpotsev who played for the Rangers in the mid 90's and was actually a member of the '94 team. His upside is as a 5-7 but he has some work to do to get there. Rangers must have seen something to make the deal but he's not an automatic to make it. Rangers have seen something in Lee Baldwin and Niemi's teammate Sam Klassen too or they wouldn't have signed them (in Baldwin's case outbid other team's for his services). If just one of these guys does make it it was worth signing them all--as in the case of Girardi. There is a pretty good chance though that none of them makes it.

Fitzy 09-04-2010 10:10 AM

I like it, I think McIlrath and maybe Werek should be ahead of MZA, but its pretty good.

Radek27 09-04-2010 05:54 PM

Why are guys like Dupont, Byers, and Sauer on the list? They are never gonna see the NHL, atleast not with this team. The fact they are still on the list, as hi as they are tells me this prospect list is weak. Not the order we made, but the players on it.

Jumbo* 09-04-2010 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radek27 (Post 27658301)
Why are guys like Dupont, Byers, and Sauer on the list? They are never gonna see the NHL, atleast not with this team. The fact they are still on the list, as hi as they are tells me this prospect list is weak. Not the order we made, but the players on it.

Neither is 80% of any other teams top 30 list. Doesn't mean they shouldnt be on the list.

eco's bones 09-04-2010 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radek27 (Post 27658301)
Why are guys like Dupont, Byers, and Sauer on the list? They are never gonna see the NHL, atleast not with this team. The fact they are still on the list, as hi as they are tells me this prospect list is weak. Not the order we made, but the players on it.

Not everybody develops at the same pace and sometimes the player is ready but the opening isn't there. The Rangers have a habit of filling all possible holes with journeymen NHL'ers. There's is also the X factor. Sauer for instance was close 3 years ago but has been set back by numerous injuries. The same could be said for Valentenko--it's just that he's been in Europe and for most here out of sight. Byers wrecked his knee early in 08-09 and missed almost the entire season which hurt his chances last year.

Anyway prospects by age at start of coming season. Another way to look at them:

18-McIlrath, Thomas.
19-Kreider, Werek, Bourque, Horak, Yogan, Fasth, Maggio, Stajcer.
20-Stepan, Grachev, Kundratek, Niemi, McNaught, Wilson.
21-McDonagh, Pashnin, Klassen, Hobbs.
22-Weise, Hagelin, Kveton, Williams, Baldwin, Campbell, Dowzak, McCue (we missed him too), Didomete, Chappell.
23-Zuccarello Aasen, Sauer, Valentenko, Dupont, Soryal, Talbot.
24-Johnson, Byers.

Radek27 09-04-2010 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eco's bones (Post 27658670)
Not everybody develops at the same pace and sometimes the player is ready but the opening isn't there. The Rangers have a habit of filling all possible holes with journeymen NHL'ers. There's is also the X factor. Sauer for instance was close 3 years ago but has been set back by numerous injuries. The same could be said for Valentenko--it's just that he's been in Europe and for most here out of sight. Byers wrecked his knee early in 08-09 and missed almost the entire season which hurt his chances last year.

Anyway prospects by age at start of coming season. Another way to look at them:

18-McIlrath, Thomas.
19-Kreider, Werek, Bourque, Horak, Yogan, Fasth, Maggio, Stajcer.
20-Stepan, Grachev, Kundratek, Niemi, McNaught, Wilson.
21-McDonagh, Pashnin, Klassen, Hobbs.
22-Weise, Hagelin, Kveton, Williams, Baldwin, Campbell, Dowzak, McCue (we missed him too), Didomete, Chappell.
23-Zuccarello Aasen, Sauer, Valentenko, Dupont, Soryal, Talbot.
24-Johnson, Byers.

I'm sorry there hasn't been an opening for a guy like Byers? C'mon unless I really don't understand his game he can bring the same as Brash, Shelley, or Boogie. Has Dupont ever even been considered for a call up? I don't think so.

What i'm getting at here is I feel this list is weaker than the ones we did the last 3-4 years. But now everyone seems to think we have the best group of kids we ever had.

eco's bones 09-04-2010 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radek27 (Post 27658809)
I'm sorry there hasn't been an opening for a guy like Byers? C'mon unless I really don't understand his game he can bring the same as Brash, Shelley, or Boogie. Has Dupont ever even been considered for a call up? I don't think so.

What i'm getting at here is I feel this list is weaker than the ones we did the last 3-4 years. But now everyone seems to think we have the best group of kids we ever had.

Different ways of looking at them I guess. My POV is our top 6 should all play. There's a very good chance that all of Kreider, Stepan and MZA will be top 6 forwards. A pretty good chance that Grachev will as well and McDonagh should make the team this year and be an important player for us a long time. McIlrath needs more developement but a guy with his size and mean streak is going to play. Add them to younger players like Dubinsky, Anisimov, Callahan, Staal and Del Zotto etc. and we're not in bad shape and a few of the others off the list should make it in some capacity as well. IMO if 2-3 prospects make the team and some kind of impact each year you're prospect development is doing fine. The Rangers pretty much are set up to accomplish that.

Our prospect list might not be the best but it's a long long way from the worst.

BlueshirtBlitz 09-05-2010 12:25 AM

I think our top 5 alone gives us an awesome prospect pool- Kreider, Stepan, MZA, Grachev and McDonagh are all incredibly solid prospects who have a good chance to make the team and hopefully make an impact. I have REALLY high hopes for Stepan and Kreider especially.


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