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barnaby63 06-02-2004 03:52 PM

Holik?
 
If you think your team would be interested please make an offer and see what we come up with...

To ????:
Bobby Holik
Bryce Lampman
Up to 3 million per year for Holik's contract

To New York:
Young 2nd line Center
28-31 year old 4/5 defenseman
2005 3rd round draft pick

And please no rangers suck or holik is overpaid posts please.

shadoz19 06-02-2004 04:05 PM

to be honest with you, I think trading holik would be even harder than guerin. You can read the post on that one. You won't get a young second line center already in the nhl. maybe a prospect.

barnaby63 06-02-2004 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadoz19
to be honest with you, I think trading holik would be even harder than guerin. You can read the post on that one. You won't get a young second line center already in the nhl. maybe a prospect.

Well I was thinking along the lines of a Vaclav Neodorst or a Mike Cammellari. I wasnt talking about a guy like Jeff Taffe or Stephen Weiss. :)

guitaraholic* 06-02-2004 04:21 PM

Holik is nearly untradeable even if the Rangers simply wanted to give him away, IMO. If guys like Weight and Tkachuk and Guerin are "untradeable" due to their contracts then certainly Holik is as well.
Even if you could move him you won't get a player that fit the description you posted. I personally think you're being unrealistic.

wint 06-02-2004 05:35 PM

You could probably work out a deal for John LeClair, who has 2 years and $18 million left on his contract I believe. If not, maybe Cujo or Yashin.

Toonces 06-02-2004 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wint
You could probably work out a deal for John LeClair, who has 2 years and $18 million left on his contract I believe. If not, maybe Cujo or Yashin.

The Flyers already have a tremendous backlog at Centre.

Trading one overpaid player for another simply doesnt work.

jumptheshark 06-02-2004 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toonces
The Flyers already have a tremendous backlog at Centre.

Trading one overpaid player for another simply doesnt work.


ONLY WORK IF THEY PLAY A DIFFERENT POSITION

rnyquist 06-02-2004 10:34 PM

In all seriousness, I could realistically see the Leafs taking him, maybe for Antropov, or something like

Nyr:Antropov

Leafs: Holik + 1/2 of his remaining contract

Souffle 06-02-2004 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rnyquist
In all seriousness, I could realistically see the Leafs taking him, maybe for Antropov, or something like

Nyr:Antropov

Leafs: Holik + 1/2 of his remaining contract

That would mean the Rangers would be subsidizing a conference rival dollar for dollar for the next however many years.

If Holik is to be traded, he'll have to restructure his contract.

rnyquist 06-02-2004 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davedave
That would mean the Rangers would be subsidizing a conference rival dollar for dollar for the next however many years.

If Holik is to be traded, he'll have to restructure his contract.


we may have to subsidize them but we don't have to deal with his constent complaing and his hit against a cap. Also Washington dealt us Jagr, we can deal Holik.

This isn't anything serious, just a thought

SingnBluesOnBroadway 06-02-2004 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rnyquist
we may have to subsidize them but we don't have to deal with his constent complaing and his hit against a cap. Also Washington dealt us Jagr, we can deal Holik.

This isn't anything serious, just a thought


One man's constant complaining is another's voice of reason.

BDubinskyNYR17* 06-03-2004 04:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SingnBluesOnBroadway
One man's constant complaining is another's voice of reason.


I would not deal Holik just yet. If we dealt Holik and Lindros goes to Leafs, what centres do we have? We are thin at centre as is. Maybe Kasper to Florida for either Weiss or Campbell as part of the package, heck id take Hagman. He is LW but good defensive forward.

Big Bill 06-03-2004 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JOrtmeyer41
I would not deal Holik just yet. If we dealt Holik and Lindros goes to Leafs, what centres do we have? We are thin at centre as is. Maybe Kasper to Florida for either Weiss or Campbell as part of the package, heck id take Hagman. He is LW but good defensive forward.

Kaspar for Weiss? No way in hell. I doubt we would get any value for kaspar with his salary. Holik, its a foregone conclussion. We signed these guys as UFAs so anything we get is gravy. No way we get anything worth value though.

shadoz19 06-03-2004 11:43 AM

It still baffles me why Sather gave him such a big contract. He has size. He's good defensively. But he's not great offensively. He's not a star player.

Drake1588 06-03-2004 11:49 AM

Only Alexei Yashin's contract is more difficult to trade, to be honest. It's not impossible, but Sather will have his work cut out for him if he decides that Holik is a player he wants to trade. My personal belief is that he will play out his contract with the Rangers. They have pared a decent amount of payroll to date, and can probably manage to retain both Holik and Jagr if they go with a fair amount of youth and affordable players elsewhere on the roster, cap or no cap.

SingnBluesOnBroadway 06-03-2004 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadoz19
It still baffles me why Sather gave him such a big contract. He has size. He's good defensively. But he's not great offensively. He's not a star player.

Because he is a player tha the Ranger needed. He might not be a great offensively (although he's hardly awful) but he is excellent defensively. And there were other teams willing to pay him 8M and up as well.

shadoz19 06-03-2004 12:57 PM

I know he was fresh off of winning a cup, but still crazy.

Brodeur 06-03-2004 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadoz19
I know he was fresh off of winning a cup, but still crazy.

Actually the Devils got bounced in the first round that year. Sather might look bad now, but Lou Lamoriello offered Holik 41 mil over 5 years with zero money deferred which meant that Lou was prepared to make Holik the highest paid Devil over Stevens and Brodeur.

shadoz19 06-03-2004 07:39 PM

still 8 million was a lot for a second line center. not worth it.

London Knights 06-03-2004 09:30 PM

While you asked for it not to be made.

Holik is overpaid and that will make it difficult to trade him. He doesn't have the ability to take over a game like Jagr so even if a team wanted him, you won't find one that will take on his salary. Holik is a good player, but he is horribly overpriced which basically means barring a ridiculous amount coming back so that the Rangers will pay most of his salary that he will be a Ranger next season.

I Am Ziggy Palffy 06-04-2004 01:50 AM

45 mil over 5 years for a 32 year old 2nd line center...who'll never score much more than 50 points...there's no way anybody would be interested...i think its safe to say that holik isnt just overpaid, he's overpaid by 3x's

i know....he's one of the best two-way centers...and he's soooo strong!!!...still even if the rangers eat half his salary, no one would pay nearly 5 mil. a year to this guy till he's 37

barnaby63 06-04-2004 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I Am Ziggy Palffy
45 mil over 5 years for a 32 year old 2nd line center...who'll never score much more than 50 points...there's no way anybody would be interested...i think its safe to say that holik isnt just overpaid, he's overpaid by 3x's

i know....he's one of the best two-way centers...and he's soooo strong!!!...still even if the rangers eat half his salary, no one would pay nearly 5 mil. a year to this guy till he's 37

First off, Holik has scored more than 50 points like 6 times in his career, even breaking 60 once or twice.

Secondly, he has 3 years left on his contract which means he is a UFA at 35. Not 37. And last, he is owed 8.8 million the next 3 seasons, not an even 9.

I can live with Holik on the Rangers, i was just trying to see what kind of return we could get for him.

Dar 06-04-2004 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadoz19
It still baffles me why Sather gave him such a big contract. He has size. He's good defensively. But he's not great offensively. He's not a star player.

He was in a bidding war with the Leafs. The Rangers offered him 1/2 million/year more than the Leafs were offering. His not signing with the Leafs was also the final nail in the coffin that sent Cujo packing elsewhere for less $$.

In hindsight, I have to say, I'm glad things worked out the way they did there.

guitaraholic* 06-04-2004 04:39 PM

Put in the right circumstances and Holik is an excellent addition to a hockey team. He'd be great on Detroit or St.Louis, who are going to lose Demitra, Mac and the Mellanby contracts in the offseason. Not suggesting the Blues would acquire Holik but I bet Pleau would see him as a worthwhile addition if the monies can be worked out....

DARKSIDE 06-04-2004 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brodeur
Actually the Devils got bounced in the first round that year. Sather might look bad now, but Lou Lamoriello offered Holik 41 mil over 5 years with zero money deferred which meant that Lou was prepared to make Holik the highest paid Devil over Stevens and Brodeur.

Lou only offered him that type of money because of the Ranger offer. He was only trying to keep one of his core players from going to a hated rival. However, I'm sure he must of thanked the Lord a dozen or so times that Holik went across the river.


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