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MacTruck 09-10-2010 07:43 PM

Crazy Amount of Depth
 
Why do we have so many forwards? This is getting rediculous. Are we working on a trade? What's going on here? You currently have 21 forwards and 9 D probably capable of NHL play.

The team as of now is

Frolov Prospal Gaborik
Dubinsky Anisimov MZA
Prospal Drury Callahan
Fedotenko Kennedy Avery
Prust Boogaard Grachev
Weise White Boyle
Williams Byers Dupont

Staal Rozsival
Girardi MDZ
Eminger Gilroy
Sauer McDonagh
Redden

Anyone else scratching there head here? :dunno: :facepalm:

BrooklynRangersFan 09-10-2010 07:45 PM

Make that 22 - you left out Stepan. Although if we're being honest, would Williams and Dupont have the remotest shot at the big club even if they were forwards number 13 and 14?

Still, even if we knock it down to 20 potential NHL forwards, that's a whole lot. Yup, I'm scratching my head too.

Jaromir Jagr 09-10-2010 07:45 PM

Yes, it doesn't make sense, but I don't think Dupont has a shot.

Weise and Byers have a long shot.

The real contenders comes down to about 18 forwards and 8 D.

Two of Gilroy, Redden, Eminger, McD won't make the team.

Panfork 09-10-2010 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chester 88 (Post 27728204)
Why do we have so many forwards? This is getting rediculous. Are we working on a trade? What's going on here? You currently have 21 forwards and 9 D probably capable of NHL play.

The team as of now is

Frolov Prospal Gaborik
Dubinsky Anisimov MZA
Prospal Drury Callahan
Fedotenko Kennedy Avery
Prust Boogaard Grachev
Weise White Boyle
Williams Byers Dupont

Staal Rozsival
Girardi MDZ
Eminger Gilroy
Sauer McDonagh
Redden

Anyone else scratching there head here? :dunno: :facepalm:

Who? Nigel Williams is a defenseman, if you're talking about him.

Zuccarello Awesome* 09-10-2010 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panfork (Post 27728221)
Who? Nigel Williams is a defenseman, if you're talking about him.

Didn't we get some Williams from the Wings in a minor league trade? I'm assuming that's who he meant but he has no shot with the Rangers.

MacTruck 09-10-2010 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DelZottoFutureNorris (Post 27728272)
Didn't we get some Williams from the Wings in a minor league trade? I'm assuming that's who he meant but he has no shot with the Rangers.

Jason Williams. I'm speaking of players with NHL experience or who are first liners in HFD. I know most are longshots but it still is a tremendous amount of depth we have

BrooklynRangersFan 09-10-2010 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panfork (Post 27728221)
Who? Nigel Williams is a defenseman, if you're talking about him.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DelZottoFutureNorris (Post 27728272)
Didn't we get some Williams from the Wings in a minor league trade? I'm assuming that's who he meant but he has no shot with the Rangers.

Jeremy Williams.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=55469

Edit: the Rangers signed him a couple of months ago: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t...eremy+williams

offdacrossbar 09-10-2010 08:08 PM

new york ranger game plan 2010




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wolfgaze 09-10-2010 08:17 PM

It's like you have this personal collection of clown photos...

offdacrossbar 09-10-2010 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfgaze (Post 27728496)
It's like you have this personal collection of clown photos...

dude. i dont.

i absolutely hate clowns. i mean really do not like them.

not a big fan of torts and sather either.

GaborikEqualsGod1995* 09-10-2010 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by offdacrossbar (Post 27728517)
dude. i dont.

i absolutely hate clowns. i mean really do not like them.

not a big fan of torts and sather either.

If you hate clowns, you'll certainly hate Sather and Tortorella!

It's not "depth". It's more like 20+ crappy 3rd/4th liners.

King Forsberg 09-10-2010 08:43 PM

To be be fair Fedatenko is only on there on a try out.

Puckface NYR* 09-10-2010 08:49 PM

The Rangers don't have depth they have a lot of players. Any team can do what the Ranger did and grab 20+ guys who are NHL caliber. The difference is, most teams have high caliber players along with role players (depth). The rangers have a handful of good players and a bunch of fringe level NHL'rs.

Where it stands

Weise White Boyle
Williams Byers Dupont
Boogard, Kennedy
Eminger Sauer McDonagh
Redden Grachev fedetenko

14 players, that i personally consider fringe NHL'rs as of right now

you could even possibly include gilroy and mza on there but im being nice

Geogaddi 09-10-2010 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puckface Avery (Post 27728770)
The Rangers don't have depth they have a lot of players. Any team can do what the Ranger did and grab 20+ guys who are NHL caliber. The difference is, most teams have high caliber players along with role players (depth). The rangers have a handful of good players and a bunch of fringe level NHL'rs.

Where it stands

Weise White Boyle
Williams Byers Dupont
Boogard, Kennedy
Eminger Sauer McDonagh
Redden Grachev fedetenko

14 players, that i personally consider fringe NHL'rs as of right now

you could even possibly include gilroy and mza on there but im being nice

Already giving up on Grachev?

Jaromir Jagr 09-10-2010 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geogaddi (Post 27729110)
Already giving up on Grachev?

Grachev is a fringe NHL'er based solely on the fact that he hasn't made it yet.

He's not imputing his playing ability.

BrooklynRangersFan 09-10-2010 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaromir Jagr (Post 27729145)
Grachev is a fringe NHL'er based solely on the fact that he hasn't made it yet.

He's not imputing his playing ability.

Just so long as he's not impugning his playing ability. :)

MSG the place to be* 09-10-2010 09:58 PM

rissmiller

voros

and fritsche


O MY

Fitzy 09-10-2010 09:59 PM

The ones that play best will make the team, which the the way it should be. Nothing wrong with depth and competition for spots.

I just wish we had better competition for our top 6, but obviously thats a lot harder to get ahold of. The Frolov acquisition helps

offdacrossbar 09-10-2010 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fitzy Duke of NY (Post 27729381)
The ones that play best will make the team, which the the way it should be. Nothing wrong with depth and competition for spots.

I just wish we had better competition for our top 6, but obviously thats a lot harder to get ahold of. The Frolov acquisition helps

frolov was a good get. no doubt.

but, hes a secondary player. hes not a prime time guy nor can he carry a team. hes a good support guy. problem is, we have alot of that type already.

and all these other forwards are a step below frolov. or a few steps.

Vitto79 09-10-2010 10:20 PM

It would be nice to see a 3 for 1 top C deal but I doubt it.

I would do something like Avery,Christiensen, Boyle, 2nd rounder and see what that can get.

But honestly they have depth but can send alot down

Frolov, Christiensen, Gaborik
Dubinsky, Anisimov, Callahan
Prospal, Drury, Avery
Boogaard, White, Prust
Kennedy, Boyle

Fedotenko is on a try out so accept a two way deal or go to the KHL.
Zuccarello, Byers, Stepan, Grachev, Williams in Hartford

Fitzy 09-10-2010 10:24 PM

Avery, Christensen, Boyle 2nd??

You couldn't get garbage for that.

Avery becomes a 3.8 mil cap hit when he is dealt. Nobody wanted him at 1.9 but the Rangers 2 years ago. That makes his value negative.

Christensen's value is still very low, considering he hasn't proved himself after a waiver pickup. He really is a desirable only to us, because he clicks with gaborik.

Boyle is worth less now than the third we got him for last year.

If we could somehow get a 1c for that, it would be a miracle.

offdacrossbar 09-10-2010 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vitto79 (Post 27729559)
It would be nice to see a 3 for 1 top C deal but I doubt it.

I would do something like Avery,Christiensen, Boyle, 2nd rounder and see what that can get.

But honestly they have depth but can send alot down

Frolov, Christiensen, Gaborik
Dubinsky, Anisimov, Callahan
Prospal, Drury, Avery
Boogaard, White, Prust
Kennedy, Boyle

Fedotenko is on a try out so accept a two way deal or go to the KHL.
Zuccarello, Byers, Stepan, Grachev, Williams in Hartford

never happen. our throwaways gets us back nothing.

and the team you are left with, after those guys go to hartford, probably misses the playoffs.

Vitto79 09-10-2010 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by offdacrossbar (Post 27729625)
never happen. our throwaways gets us back nothing.

and the team you are left with, after those guys go to hartford, probably misses the playoffs.

I actually agree. I doubt they can get anything back

this is likely the lineup minus Redden with McDonaugh in

http://rangers.nhl.com/club/roster.htm

Brooklyn Ranger 09-10-2010 10:37 PM

Sure we have "depth", we don't have enough top shelf players. And the more veterans in camp, the more likely that they will make the roster, because of the pressure to make the playoffs.

I'm sure it will be a competitive camp--the problem, of course, comes during the season when the Rangers have to play other teams.

OverTheCap 09-10-2010 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MSG the place to be (Post 27729360)
rissmiller

voros

and fritsche


O MY

Haha, my sentiments exactly.

This "depth" is reminiscent of 2008's training camp where we had Rissmiller, Voros, Fritsche, Nedved, Korpikoski, and Parenteau fighting for spots on the team. More or less a bunch of bottom 6 players/fringe NHLers.

As Fitzy kind of alluded to, I'm more concerned about the lack of depth in the top 6 than the supposed depth in the bottom 6. Yet another year where it looks like we could field 2 or 3 lines of 3rd liners.


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