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Mantha Poodoo 09-17-2010 10:58 PM

Loose ankles
 
So after having skated a few times on my skates, I'm still having problems with tightness around the ankles (or rather, the lack thereof). While my purchased skates are 2329392832 times better than the rentals, I'm just not quite able to get them tight enough around my ankles no matter how tight I tie them.

Part of the problem is my shoe size is a 12A. Yes, I walk on skis. My skates are 11.5D (length is fine), and I honestly haven't seen any skate slimmer than a D at that length. The Missions were the best fitting pair I happened to try (that was in my price range).

I wear double socks, and it helps. Should I try triple socks? What can I do to get a more secure fit around the ankles?

pass the bisk 09-18-2010 12:26 AM

<insert bender joke here>

lol

seriously though, you could try tying the lace around your ankle for more support.

Mantha Poodoo 09-18-2010 12:55 AM

Already done the above, but thanks anyhow for the suggestion.

Crosbyfan 09-18-2010 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Wheeled Winger (Post 27823816)
So after having skated a few times on my skates, I'm still having problems with tightness around the ankles (or rather, the lack thereof). While my purchased skates are 2329392832 times better than the rentals, I'm just not quite able to get them tight enough around my ankles no matter how tight I tie them.

Part of the problem is my shoe size is a 12A. Yes, I walk on skis. My skates are 11.5D (length is fine), and I honestly haven't seen any skate slimmer than a D at that length. The Missions were the best fitting pair I happened to try (that was in my price range).

I wear double socks, and it helps. Should I try triple socks? What can I do to get a more secure fit around the ankles?

Your skates are too big. Obviously you know they are too wide, but aren't they too long as well?

I'm not familiar with the mission fit but a 12D foot would typically fit in a 10D or 10.5D in most skates. An 11.5D would be both too long and too wide (for them, and you are even narrower) as they (most 11.5Ds) are proportionally wider than a 10D or 10.5D...

Not sure where you would get 10A or 10.5A skates, but you probably haven't even got close too the narrowest "off the shelf" skates that will fit your feet lengthwise since 10D's are widely available.

With a 10D or 10.5D an extra sock and bigger footbed added might help, but you really need to be properly fitted...

Noir 09-18-2010 01:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Wheeled Winger (Post 27823816)
So after having skated a few times on my skates, I'm still having problems with tightness around the ankles (or rather, the lack thereof). While my purchased skates are 2329392832 times better than the rentals, I'm just not quite able to get them tight enough around my ankles no matter how tight I tie them.

Part of the problem is my shoe size is a 12A. Yes, I walk on skis. My skates are 11.5D (length is fine), and I honestly haven't seen any skate slimmer than a D at that length. The Missions were the best fitting pair I happened to try (that was in my price range).

I wear double socks, and it helps. Should I try triple socks? What can I do to get a more secure fit around the ankles?

It's going to take more than that to break in a new pair of hockey skates.

I bought an RBK 9K years ago and which was triple the cost of my previous skate. I almost gave up on the 9K after 3 weeks of frustration as they felt like crap. And I was playing hockey on average of 4 times a week.

It actually took between 1 - 2 months for the skate to start breaking in and feel comfortable and took somewhere between 2 - 4 months to start finally feel like an old pair of slippers. Now I can't imagine ever going back to my lower end skates and just keep them for spare (when I need to re-steel my 9Ks).



Now mind you, the break in period will vary depending on a lot of things. How often you play, how demanding you are to your skates when you play, possibly your weight and possibly depending on the model of the skates too.

Eventually the material on the ankle will soften up after X amount of times you've laced on your skates.

timekeep 09-18-2010 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Wheeled Winger (Post 27823816)
So after having skated a few times on my skates, I'm still having problems with tightness around the ankles (or rather, the lack thereof). While my purchased skates are 2329392832 times better than the rentals, I'm just not quite able to get them tight enough around my ankles no matter how tight I tie them.

Part of the problem is my shoe size is a 12A. Yes, I walk on skis. My skates are 11.5D (length is fine), and I honestly haven't seen any skate slimmer than a D at that length. The Missions were the best fitting pair I happened to try (that was in my price range).

I wear double socks, and it helps. Should I try triple socks? What can I do to get a more secure fit around the ankles?

When you bought the skates did the person selling you them heat up the skates and then make you wear them for 15 minutes super tight? If not get to a skate shop and get them to properly fit them for you. they may even be able to push in the sides for you.

Crosbyfan 09-18-2010 02:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir (Post 27824737)
It's going to take more than that to break in a new pair of hockey skates.

I bought an RBK 9K years ago and which was triple the cost of my previous skate. I almost gave up on the 9K after 3 weeks of frustration as they felt like crap. And I was playing hockey on average of 4 times a week.

It actually took between 1 - 2 months for the skate to start breaking in and feel comfortable and took somewhere between 2 - 4 months to start finally feel like an old pair of slippers. Now I can't imagine ever going back to my lower end skates and just keep them for spare (when I need to re-steel my 9Ks).



Now mind you, the break in period will vary depending on a lot of things. How often you play, how demanding you are to your skates when you play, possibly your weight and possibly depending on the model of the skates too.

Eventually the material on the ankle will soften up after X amount of times you've laced on your skates.

Breaking in is one thing, lack of support due to skates being too big is another. I don't think breaking them in can help much, if at all, in this case.

Mantha Poodoo 09-18-2010 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timekeep (Post 27824835)
When you bought the skates did the person selling you them heat up the skates and then make you wear them for 15 minutes super tight? If not get to a skate shop and get them to properly fit them for you. they may even be able to push in the sides for you.

I'm not sure these skates are bake friendly or not (Amp 6's, bought used, guessing '99 model). Need to do some research on that.

In regards to another comment about length, my toes were about ready to burst out of several pairs of 11s (various brands). I probably couldn't even fit into a 10.5 or a 10. I should probably clarify that my shoe size is probably more around a 12.5 (maybe 13), but I wear 12s for a little extra tightness so they don't slip off my narrow foot (also, I think the shoes I wear tend to run sized a little small).

The skates feel great otherwise. I feel very tight and secure throughout the foot, once I have the suckers laced up hard. The problem arises specifically in the ankle, which has too much side to side wiggle room (as is the case with about any piece of footwear for me). Bulking up should help some, but I've had problems with that even when I was in much better shape. Unfortunately, I had about the same problem with every skate I tried, new or used. As mentioned, this is far and away from a new thing for me.

I might toss on a 3rd pair of socks and see if that helps. Does anyone know of any specific gear to help with a thin ankle or an unusually narrow foot? Not sure where breaking them in would help, as I've never had footwear shrink width-wise after breaking in (usually the opposite).

Edit: The other 'best' fit I had was some Bauers (don't remember what), size 12. And by best fit I mean as tight as possible width wise while still having room for my toes.

Noir 09-18-2010 05:57 AM

^

When you put the boot on unlaced, does the material at the ankle "V" out hard? It was like that with my 9K before it got broken in. Even when I laced it up tight, the material, because it was still stiff, was pushing outward.

I believe hockey skates are stiffer the higher-end you go, so if it's a case of a stiff boot, it really will just take time for the material to soften up and wrap around your foot easy instead of having the tendency to spread open and push apart your laces.

(if that is the case)



And no, don't wear 3 pairs of socks. Proper fitment should only be 1 sock and no filler.

Crosbyfan 09-18-2010 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Wheeled Winger (Post 27824972)
I'm not sure these skates are bake friendly or not (Amp 6's, bought used, guessing '99 model). Need to do some research on that.

In regards to another comment about length, my toes were about ready to burst out of several pairs of 11s (various brands). I probably couldn't even fit into a 10.5 or a 10. I should probably clarify that my shoe size is probably more around a 12.5 (maybe 13), but I wear 12s for a little extra tightness so they don't slip off my narrow foot (also, I think the shoes I wear tend to run sized a little small).

The skates feel great otherwise. I feel very tight and secure throughout the foot, once I have the suckers laced up hard. The problem arises specifically in the ankle, which has too much side to side wiggle room (as is the case with about any piece of footwear for me). Bulking up should help some, but I've had problems with that even when I was in much better shape. Unfortunately, I had about the same problem with every skate I tried, new or used. As mentioned, this is far and away from a new thing for me.

I might toss on a 3rd pair of socks and see if that helps. Does anyone know of any specific gear to help with a thin ankle or an unusually narrow foot? Not sure where breaking them in would help, as I've never had footwear shrink width-wise after breaking in (usually the opposite).

Edit: The other 'best' fit I had was some Bauers (don't remember what), size 12. And by best fit I mean as tight as possible width wise while still having room for my toes.

OK, sounds like you have the right length. I would try a thicker or additional footbed/insert to use up some of the excess volume. (superfeet etc) You could try a third sock, but of course this is far from ideal, just making the best (hopefully) of a bad fit.

Another quick makeshift idea that is not ideal is 2-4 wraps of shinpad tape just above the top eyelet. It has some give but can provide slight additional lateral support.

BenchBrawl 09-18-2010 08:41 AM

Do you have flat feet? Because I do and I played like 20 years of hockey and to be honest my ankle were always loose due to the form they make becuase of my feet.They kind of turn inward and the only thing I was able to do was to tape it to the maximum.3 or 4 turn of tape.I will never feel as great as someone with normal ankle/feet but i'm still a pretty good player , but probably less than if I had a good arch.Good luck

Blueland89 09-18-2010 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crosbyfan (Post 27824650)
Your skates are too big. Obviously you know they are too wide, but aren't they too long as well?

I'm not familiar with the mission fit but a 12D foot would typically fit in a 10D or 10.5D in most skates. An 11.5D would be both too long and too wide (for them, and you are even narrower) as they (most 11.5Ds) are proportionally wider than a 10D or 10.5D...

Not sure where you would get 10A or 10.5A skates, but you probably haven't even got close too the narrowest "off the shelf" skates that will fit your feet lengthwise since 10D's are widely available.

With a 10D or 10.5D an extra sock and bigger footbed added might help, but you really need to be properly fitted...

actually I think Mission are sized the same as your shoe size

pass the bisk 09-18-2010 04:02 PM

Just a quick note: ALWAYS GET SKATES BAKED!!!!!

Mantha Poodoo 09-18-2010 04:50 PM

Thanks to both Crosbyfan and Reen. I'm going to have to try taping. And more specifically to Reen, yea, I do have somewhat flat feet. Flat, long, narrow. As I said, skis. Since taping works for you I'm going to have to give that a shot. The inwards turning is what I tend to get.

I'll have to check out footbeds/inserts as well.

Pierre Gotye 09-18-2010 09:30 PM

You may have a pro-nating foot. If you don't get good support on your ankle, it's because your most important lace, the one which is in the corner of your boot right in the upper-arch area between the top of your foot and ankle isn't getting proper support. Try to make it tighter.

I don't have a problem with my right foot, but my skate tongue on my left foot always slides off it and thus, my foot/ankle area never seems to be feel stiff or right enough. Only on a rare occasion do I get it to 'feel' right.

Does your skate tongue not stay centered on your foot when you play? Others have mentioned skate baking, but you may need to get your skate boots punched out around the outside area of the ball of your foot, to give you better foot positioning.

Only you know your foot. You need to tell us if you have a high or low arch, a wide, narrow or flat foot, and if you have any foot problems like pro-nation, hammer-toes, bunions or such. They will affect your skates/skating.

J22* 09-18-2010 11:03 PM

Maybe give something like these a try?
http://www.icewarehouse.com/descpage.html?pcode=SAT

MoonlightGraham 09-19-2010 12:10 AM

Maybe have try to get the end of your shin pads reach into the top of the boot of your skates?

nystromshairstylist 09-19-2010 11:13 AM

Is there a way to keep the tongue from shifting to the outside? I wonder if this is a reason why the skate feels less stable at times.

frito 09-19-2010 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crosbyfan (Post 27824650)
I'm not familiar with the mission fit but a 12D foot would typically fit in a 10D or 10.5D in most skates. An 11.5D would be both too long and too wide (for them, and you are even narrower) as they (most 11.5Ds) are proportionally wider than a 10D or 10.5D...

Actually, unlike all other brands, Mission skates run the same as shoe size so there is no need to size down as you would with a Bauer, CCM, Etc.

Maybe try either Graf as they seem to have a skate for every foot imaginable or maybe a CCM U-Pro. i've seen some other posts that these tend to be too narrow in the ankles for most people to the point they need to punched out.

Trojan35 09-20-2010 01:12 PM

Sounds like they're too big. Here's another suggestion: lace them up as tight as you can the night before (not on your ankles), then try them the next day. Might help you out if the problem is the ankle tightness.

Jarick 09-20-2010 02:07 PM

Yes, the skates sound too big. Unfortunately, if they are too big in the ankles, they will never work properly. You might be able to get additional foam or padding to build up the ankle area, but even better would be to get proper fitting skates.

PDX Coyotes 09-20-2010 03:27 PM

I tried a different way to lace up that helped. Check it out.

If that doesn't help, maybe try wearing your shin guards on the outside of your tongues, and taping them around your ankles (over the sock).


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