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Mathradio 10-11-2010 10:23 AM

Tinordi in the KHL?
 
While I would gladfully admit that Jarred Tinordi isn't ready for the NHL next year, maybe he would be KHL-ready after his stay in the London Knights. From what I know of the playing style of the KHL, the KHL is a league where speed and offensive skill can make or break D-men. That's how I would see Tinordi in the KHL: he'd start out on the 2nd penalty kill of a team willing to sign him and, if he plays well on the 2nd penalty kill, move him up to the first PK. (Metallurg Magnitogorsk drafted him, albeit in the 7th round, for a reason; Magnitka knows that he is rather fast for his size and that he could be a defensive D-man)

Because his KHL rights are held by Metallurg Magnitogorsk, any KHL team other than Magnitogorsk that would even remotely consider signing him would have to trade for him.

I don't think the Habs are willing to let him go to the KHL unless they were absolutely certain that the KHL would make a better Hab out of Tinordi than Hamilton would. But they can determine what good the KHL can do to a player with Avtsin, Trotter and Ramo. Granted, none of these players are D-men but if the KHL made these players better it could be more tempting for the Habs to send Tinordi on his way.

Here's a list of the possible outcomes:

1. Magnitogorsk signs him for one or two years come 2011 (because he is a raw rookie to the KHL's eyes) and plays for Magnitogorsk at a first-rounder's rate, about $350K a year (because he is a first-rounder talent; if he was the Habs' first-rounder, he could have been Magnitogorsk's first-rounder as well)

2. Magnitogorsk locks him up for a longer-term deal and makes him its "designated player" (i.e. one of a small number of players that they can overpay) for 3-4 seasons

3. Magnitogorsk trades him for either a draft pick or "future considerations" and the team that traded for Tinordi would sign him

4. None of the above; Tinordi won't play in the KHL

Although he never said anything bad about the KHL (at least, not to my knowledge) do you think that the KHL would make a better hockey player out of Tinordi than the Bulldogs would?

Also, which of the 4 outcomes is the most likely?

Habs 1909 10-11-2010 05:53 PM

I was always curious how drafting in the KHL works, hopefully you have an answer to this.
1. Is every player in the world eligible to be drafted to the KHL and retain that players rights?
2. Do teams in the KHL draft a player based on the likeliness for him to play for that team, or the best players available (for example, Hall or Seguin) then hope that he joins the KHL?

Mathradio 10-11-2010 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottyG 91 (Post 28248436)
I was always curious how drafting in the KHL works, hopefully you have an answer to this.
1. Is every player in the world eligible to be drafted to the KHL and retain that players rights?
2. Do teams in the KHL draft a player based on the likeliness for him to play for that team, or the best players available (for example, Hall or Seguin) then hope that he joins the KHL?

1. No, not every draft-age player in the world is eligible (Lokomotiv Yaroslavl had its pick of John Tavares voided because he had a NHL contract) but they have quotas as to how many can be drafted from each region: 470 from ex-USSR countries, 100 from the rest of Europe and 100 from the rest of the world. And yes, they retain the players' KHL rights. That's why I said that any team other than Magnitogorsk willing to sign Tinordi would have to trade for him first.

2. KHL teams seem to draft the best players that are likely to sign. That's why they draft Russians and, to a lesser extent, Czechs, Swedes or Finns before they do North Americans. (If it was merely the best players available Tinordi would still have be a late first-rounder in the KHL) Many NHL first-rounders, past and present, like Leblanc, were available but went undrafted, because they were so unlikely to sign that they weren't worth the trouble of drafting them.

redacted 10-11-2010 06:41 PM

Do the teams get first dibs on players from their own region/junior systems?

Mathradio 10-11-2010 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by arwawr (Post 28249754)
Do the teams get first dibs on players from their own region/junior systems?

The sole English-language listing of the KHL draft picks says that they could use their first-round draft pick to protect their own junior players, similar to a NBA territorial pick back in the day.

http://www.russianhockeyfans.com/khl...draft-199.html

tuker1980 10-12-2010 07:28 AM

Well... that's an easy one!!! I highly doubt that Tinordi jumps ship to Russia in the next couples of years. The only reason why he would go that route is if at 23-24 he does not have a regular NHL job.

Why would he do that... only to piss of the Habs??? The don't want their 1st rounder playing in Russia. They want him to develop in OHL and then AHL. KHL is better hockey than AHL but completely different style.

By having him play in AHL, they can monitor his development and have a say in his development... which they wouldn't have if he would be in Russia.

As far as Avtsin, Trotter and Ramo were you're completely in left field.

Avstin in a Russian born player...so you are taking that chance
Trotter was not tendered a contract by the Habs, or the contract did not satisfy Trotter.

Ramo, he signed a 2 years deal in the KHL after leaving Tampa Bay and Habs had no room for him in the AHL. On top of that Ramo wouldn't make any kind of money close to what he's doing right now the AHL. They prefer to see they're young goalie develop.

So in all, the chance of seeing Tinordi, or any NA born prospect/1st rounders in the KHL while still being prospects is very slim. Different game in Russia. NHL teams want to develop kid per NA game. This is why Tinordi forfeited is scolarship to play OHL...

Zine 10-12-2010 12:35 PM

The bigger question: Why would Metallurg do this?

There'd be no reason to waste a valuable import spot on a 1992 born player who'll have yet to prove himself at any professional level.
There will be countless better options for Magnitka to take advantage of.

perklunt 10-12-2010 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Zine (Post 28263744)
The bigger question: Why would Metallurg do this?

There'd be no reason to waste a valuable import spot on a 1992 born player who'll have yet to prove himself at any professional level.
There will be countless better options for Magnitka to take advantage of.

this =].

Mathradio 10-12-2010 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Zine (Post 28263744)
The bigger question: Why would Metallurg do this?

There'd be no reason to waste a valuable import spot on a 1992 born player who'll have yet to prove himself at any professional level.
There will be countless better options for Magnitka to take advantage of.

That's why Magnitka would most likely trade him. However, any takers for Tinordi would most likely know that they can get maybe one season out of him (no more) before he returns to Hamilton.

Zine 10-12-2010 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mathradio (Post 28265076)
That's why Magnitka would most likely trade him. However, any takers for Tinordi would most likely know that they can get maybe one season out of him (no more) before he returns to Hamilton.



Unless it's a Tavares/Stamkos like level player, an import player that young with only junior-level experience has virtually no value. Maybe only to a Riga or Minsk, but still I doubt it.

Think about it.....why sign or trade for a player with so many question marks (youth, no pro experience) when you know he'll leave in 1 year anyways? And especially with import roster spots at a premium?
Makes no sense.

Mathradio 10-12-2010 02:51 PM

Some of the takers could be willing to part with a 7th-rounder to get him (considering that they could get one season out of him otherwise they would part with more than a 7th-rounder) because I highly doubt Magnitogorsk's asking price would be much higher than a bag of pucks. But still, bottom-tier teams used some of their import roster spots on NHL never-will-bes that are (IMO) inferior to what Tinordi will be after his stay in London.

Mathradio 09-13-2011 08:20 PM

But is Magnitogorsk any good to develop D-men?

If you may excuse me, the Habs' hands are tied if they were to ship Tinordi off to Russia before he could make the big team. They know that they simply cannot ship him off to any KHL team or else they would lose the favor of a lot of KHL teams, especially Magnitka.

cska78 09-14-2011 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mathradio (Post 36678165)
But is Magnitogorsk any good to develop D-men?

If you may excuse me, the Habs' hands are tied if they were to ship Tinordi off to Russia before he could make the big team. They know that they simply cannot ship him off to any KHL team or else they would lose the favor of a lot of KHL teams, especially Magnitka.

they are not great, but they still do develop some: Antipov (while smallish is a decent player on the way up), Khabarov is their own product, Churlyaev is set to debut for Avto is also a product of Magnitogorsk.

Mathradio 09-14-2011 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by cska78 (Post 36687087)
they are not great, but they still do develop some: Antipov (while smallish is a decent player on the way up), Khabarov is their own product, Churlyaev is set to debut for Avto is also a product of Magnitogorsk.

Any of these players play a physical shutdown style? You know, the kind of defensive game Tinordi plays.


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