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Tiranis 10-12-2010 02:04 PM

RW/C Mark McNeill (2011, 18th overall, Chicago)
 
Anyone see Mark McNeill? Has 12 points in 9 games and is +5. I heard some good things about him from a friend about a year ago and then again this year but that's about as much as I know...

Dobber Hockey has a nice write-up from a couple years ago. From another site:

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The Raiders’ first-round pick (5th overall) in 2008, McNeill appeared in 68 games as a 16-year-old, potting nine goals and 24 points. The 6’2”, 210-lb NHL Draft-eligible center is a highly intelligent player with outstanding hockey sense, and the ability to create time and space for himself and his line mates. Using his big frame and his strong skating and puck skills, McNeill is very good at protecting the puck. A very well-rounded player, McNeill will surely play an important role in the Raiders’ offense this season.
Seems to be ranked in early 3rd but if he keeps it up, do you think he has a chance at the late 1st round/early 2nd? What are the weaknesses in his game?

Joe Hallenback 10-12-2010 03:29 PM

I have always been high on McNeil. Prototypical big power center from the WHL. He skates well and is agressive on the forecheck. He has been put into the number 1 spot in PA and has performed exceptionally well. I think he will end up being a very good number 2 center in the NHL

R S 10-12-2010 04:51 PM

Here's a piece I wrote on him a few weeks back...

http://whl-from-above.blogspot.com/2...k-mcneill.html

Part of the article...

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At 17 years old, he already has a man’s body. He stands 6’1.5 and weighs in at just under 210 pounds. And he shows that size on the ice. He likes to play physical hockey and is a great forechecker. He is also a right handed shot as a centre, something many teams covet as a bit of a rare commodity.

He is the meat and potatoes of the Prince Albert Raiders top line, centering Belarusian forward Igor Revenko and 37 goal man from last year Brandon Herrod. He will be doing the dirty work and looking to set up the two more gifted offensive players on his line.

Last season as a fresh-faced 16 year old, McNeill netted 24 points in 68 games, including 9 goals. Those numbers don’t exactly jump off the page at you, but you have to realize the role he played, and the fact that his team was not a playoff club.

Tiranis 10-14-2010 08:16 PM

Forgot about this thread, thanks for the responses guys. :) Looks like he continues to score, 10 games in and he has 13 points. As far as I can tell, in this draft class only RNH is ahead of him (in the WHL).

I saw a couple of mentions of him recently:

http://www.thehockeynews.com/article...n-McNeill.html
http://bruins2011draftwatch.blogspot...oking-for.html

I think I'll check some games out sometime soon (friend has a subscription to the WHL On-Demand online video player).

puckfan13 10-14-2010 09:51 PM

Played with him a few years ago and I like to think I could have a decently accurate and realistic grasp of how he could fit in as a pro.

At this point, I would say if he were to make the NHL eventually it would be in a Steve Bernier/Taylor Pyatt type role and ultimate upside something like Milan Michalek. He will almost certainly move to the wing if he plays pro.

Big kid who can get moving and is surprisingly agile with great stickhandling ability and can drive the net hard but isn't overly physical or have the greatest defensive awareness, might not be the most intense or fiery. Doesn't play the type of game for a big guy that could translate into a pure big grinder in the pros. He is a huge kid though who is only growing and has a pretty good and competitive attitude and this year will be huge for him.

Off to a great start already and his size and non-problematic skating ability is working majorly in his advantage right now. Getting drafted in the top 2-3 rounds is his to mess up at this point.

Sore Loser 10-14-2010 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tiranis (Post 28309424)
Forgot about this thread, thanks for the responses guys. :) Looks like he continues to score, 10 games in and he has 13 points. As far as I can tell, in this draft class only RNH is ahead of him (in the WHL).

I saw a couple of mentions of him recently:

http://www.thehockeynews.com/article...n-McNeill.html
http://bruins2011draftwatch.blogspot...oking-for.html

I think I'll check some games out sometime soon (friend has a subscription to the WHL On-Demand online video player).

Ty
Rattie
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rt 12-27-2010 01:37 PM

I can't figure out why this kid isn't listed higher on most of the rankings I've seen. He's 6'2'', 200+lbs, right handed center, that is more than willing to drop the gloves, and can really handle himself well with his fists. At to that his putting up 37gp 17g 23a 40pts on a team that sits right in the middle of the WHL in terms of P% and G/G. Double his numbers and you are looking at 74gp 34g 46a 80pts.

For comparison, look at Nino Niederreiter last year 65gp 36g 24a 60pts and Ryan Johansen 71gp 25g 44a 69pts. Both were under a point a game, both had each other to work with, and both were top five picks.

Obviously there is more to prospects than numbers but I see these two were top five picks and McNeill seems to be consistently between 15-25 in most rankings.

I've never seen him play, so I must be missing something obvious. What is it?

Dougie Seguin 12-27-2010 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rt (Post 29797705)
I can't figure out why this kid isn't listed higher on most of the rankings I've seen. He's 6'2'', 200+lbs, right handed center, that is more than willing to drop the gloves, and can really handle himself well with his fists. At to that his putting up 37gp 17g 23a 40pts on a team that sits right in the middle of the WHL in terms of P% and G/G. Double his numbers and you are looking at 74gp 34g 46a 80pts.

For comparison, look at Nino Niederreiter last year 65gp 36g 24a 60pts and Ryan Johansen 71gp 25g 44a 69pts. Both were under a point a game, both had each other to work with, and both were top five picks.

Obviously there is more to prospects than numbers but I see these two were top five picks and McNeill seems to be consistently between 15-25 in most rankings.

I've never seen him play, so I must be missing something obvious. What is it?

from what you just said he kind of sounds like a Ryan Getzlaf type player

rt 12-27-2010 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Seguin and Colborne (Post 29797912)
from what you just said he kind of sounds like a Ryan Getzlaf type player

All I know about McNeill is articles I've read, video clips I've seen, and his hockeydb stat line.

What I gather from the articles is he's a very large and powerful center, shoots right, excells in all three zones, is a good, strong skater, likes to mix it up physically, and puts up good numbers.

The videos I've seen from hockeyfights.com show him really handling himself extremely well with the gloves off, and always being in the middle of things when they get a bit hairy.

Is he Getlzaf pt.II? Perhaps. Is he Chipchura pt.II? Perhaps. I honestly have no idea because I've never seen him play. Maybe something in between like a Jarret Stoll pt.II?

leoleo3535 12-27-2010 05:00 PM

He will likely go in the 1st round.

Excellent bloodlines.

I have seen him live about 30 times and dozens of times on the web/tv.
I would be shocked if he lasted until the 2nd round.

rt 12-27-2010 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by leoleo3535 (Post 29800471)
He will likely go in the 1st round.

Excellent bloodlines.

I have seen him live about 30 times and dozens of times on the web/tv.
I would be shocked if he lasted until the 2nd round.

Other than his likely being a first rounder, what is your take on the kid's game, and upside?

james30 12-27-2010 05:14 PM

leoleo3535 What are his bloodlines?

leoleo3535 12-27-2010 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by rt (Post 29800555)
Other than his likely being a first rounder, what is your take on the kid's game, and upside?

Big
Strong
Skilled

Upside top 6 NHL forward

leoleo3535 12-27-2010 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by lydiabelieve (Post 29800637)
leoleo3535 What are his bloodlines?

His Dad scored almost 500 goals in the NHL.....including 70 in 1 season.
Bernie Nicholls.

therat 12-27-2010 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by leoleo3535 (Post 29800722)
His Dad scored almost 500 goals in the NHL.....including 70 in 1 season.
Bernie Nicholls.

I think you've had too much spiked egg nog.

leoleo3535 12-27-2010 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by therat (Post 29801301)
I think you've had too much spiked egg nog.

????
Your opinion....both are talented in my view.

R S 12-27-2010 07:13 PM

Love the kids game as I have already said in the thread. I think if he slides into round 2 some team is going to get very lucky. I don't think he has as much skill as a Getzlaf. More like a Backes-type of player. Very fun to watch. Hard hitter, good skater, great on the forecheck.

HFNHL Canadiens 12-27-2010 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by leoleo3535 (Post 29801539)
????
Your opinion....both are talented in my view.

You are probably thinking of Josh Nicholls and I don't believe he is related to Bernie Nicholls.

leoleo3535 12-27-2010 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kowalchuk (Post 29802240)
You are probably thinking of Josh Nicholls and I don't believe he is related to Bernie Nicholls.

No......

BIG BLUE 12-27-2010 11:23 PM

was surprised he didn't make the HF WHL top 10 draft eligibles

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...pects_for2011/

leoleo3535 12-28-2010 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIG BLUE (Post 29808030)
was surprised he didn't make the HF WHL top 10 draft eligibles

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...pects_for2011/

Keep in mind this is a list put together by writers not scouts, not a scouting agency, not hockey mgmt etc.

hfboardsuser 12-28-2010 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kowalchuk (Post 29802240)
You are probably thinking of Josh Nicholls and I don't believe he is related to Bernie Nicholls.

....

JeromeHP 12-28-2010 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Bugg (Post 29810301)
It's a well-known fact McNeill is Bernie's son.

i didnt know that but why the different last name ?

DuklaNation 12-28-2010 01:49 AM

Very well-rounded player from what I've seen. Considering the flawed players in the bottom half of the 1st round, I expect him to go a lot higher than what is currently projected. I guess his offense may be viewed as not having that upside but he looks impressive to me. He's just more solid than flashy.

puckfan13 12-28-2010 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Bugg (Post 29810301)
It's a well-known fact McNeill is Bernie's son.

He is not his son. His dad is named Bernie but his last name is Mcneill. He coached me in bantam when Mark was on my team and a number of my other friends growing up through the years. This is his dad: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=44172

He used to do some scouting with the Med Hat Tigers but that's as far as I know.


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