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petec1978* 05-14-2004 12:54 PM

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Lightning to pick 28th or, God willing, 30th...

I'm looking at this and thinking to myself "Worst draft since '96." Anyways... I am focusing on forwards and goaltending, to a lesser extent, as our need position, and here are 10 to watch for:

Europe:
13. Enver Lisin, RW, 6'2" 190 lbs, Saratov (RUS1)
14. Lukas Kaspar, W, 6'2" 202 lbs, Litvinov (CZE)
20. Johannes Salmonsson, W, 6'2" 183 lbs, Djurgardens (SWE)
23. Carl Soderberg, C/w, 6'3" 198 lbs, Malmo (SWE J-20)

North America:
14. Bruce Graham, C, 6'6" 220 lbs, Moncton (QMJHL)
15. Travis Zajac, C. 6'2" 205 lbs, Salmon Arm (BCHL) (Committed to North Dakota)
17. Blake Wheeler, RW, 6'3.5" 185 lbs, Breck (USHS) (Committed to Minnesota '05-'06)
18. Bryan Bickell, LW, 6'3" 210 lbs, Ottawa (OHL)
22. Adam Berti, LW, 6'2" 188 lbs, Oshawa (OHL)

2. Devan Dubnyk, G, 6'5.5" 194 lbs, Kamloops (WHL)

-Pete Choquette

joeminus 05-14-2004 02:01 PM

29th and 30th picks of the last dozen or so drafts up to 2000 (more recent classes haven't really had time to prove themselves):

1988:
Wayne Doucet
Adrien Plavsic (!!!)

1989:
Rob Woodward
Patrice Brisebois

1990:
Chris Gotziaman
Rod Pasma

1991:
Jassen Cullimore (!!!)
Sandis Ozolinsh

1992:
Tuomas Gronman
Chris O'Sullivan

1993:
Tyler Moss (!!!)
Nikolai Tsulygin

1994:
Stanislav Neckar (!!!)
Deron Quint

1995:
Brian Wesenberg
Mike McBain (!!!)

1996:
Dan LaCouture
Josh Green

1997:
Scott Barney
Jean-Marc Pelletier

1998:
Jonathan Cheechoo
Kyle Rossiter

1999:
Michal Sivek
Luke Sellars
* Kudroc was 28th (!!!)

2000:
Niklas Kronwall
Jeff Taffe

Some keepers in there, but it's definitely a crap-shoot.

petec1978* 05-14-2004 04:07 PM

This whole draft is a crap shoot outside of the top two. Emphasis on "crap".

-Pete Choquette

joeminus 05-14-2004 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petec1978
This whole draft is a crap shoot outside of the top two. Emphasis on "crap".

-Pete Choquette

Yeah, when you look over those I posted, the only keepers came out of relatively deep drafts. Not a good sign.

petec1978* 05-14-2004 11:27 PM

Actually, I screwed up... they'll get either the 28th pick or (God willing) the 30th pick. The only way they would've picked 29th is if Detroit had won the Cup. Now that they are gone, they are locked in at 29 with the cup winner picking 30th.

And considering it was my goof up that undid half your research, here are the 28 picks:

1988:
Paul Holden

1989:
Mike Craig

1990:
Brandy Semchuk

1991:
Jim Campbell

1992:
Paul Brousseau

1993:
Shean Donovan

1994:
Johan Davidsson

1995:
Jan Hlavac

1996:
Pavel Skrbek

1997:
Brad DeFauw

1998:
Ramzi Abid

1999:
Kristian Kudroc

2000:
Justin Williams

2001:
Adrian Foster

2002:
Jonas Johansson

2003:
Corey Perry

Slop. Lots of slop. I'd settle for a servicable NHLer in this draft.

-Pete Choquette

Oceanic39* 05-15-2004 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petec1978
15. Travis Zajac, C. 6'2" 205 lbs, Salmon Arm (BCHL) (Committed to North Dakota)

C'mon, Jay, give me another North Dakotan.

There was an article in the Nashville Tennessean this past week saying the Preds will likely go center. Graham was one of two names mentioned.

I hope he lasts until the bottom, but I highly doubt it.

Bish Please 05-15-2004 11:18 AM

Think there is a good chance at trading down and extending Feaster's streak of drafts with out a 1st round pick?

petec1978* 05-15-2004 06:11 PM

No I don't, because there is a decided lack of depth in this draft. If he does, it'll only be to move down a handful of picks to gain a mid rounder IMO.

-Pete Choquette

petec1978* 05-16-2004 01:07 AM

Lukas Kaspar strikes me as a really good fit here... sniping winger with good size and a big shot.

-Pete Choquette

petec1978* 05-18-2004 02:58 PM

Blake Wheeler another interesting Wild Card as a high school junior who will likely play one year in the USHL before going to the University of Minnesota in '05-'06.

He'll be 6'4" and over 2 bills when he fills out and supposedly skates really well with a nasty streak. Roll the dice at 28 or (God willing, help us out big fella) 30?

-Pete Choquette

petec1978* 05-30-2004 02:35 AM

One more:

G Cory Schneider, 6'2" 195 lbs, Phillips Andover (USHS)

-Pete Choquette

petec1978* 06-02-2004 11:58 AM

Allegedly the Rag$ are going to end up with a TON of high 2nd round picks between finishing so poorly, comp picks, and now losing Umberger as an unsigned UFA first rounder.

If you beleive guys like Schneider and Wheeler might slip to the early 2nd, do you repeat the 2002 trade down?

The thing about it is, there are safe picks (Dubnyk) but I really would love to get my hands on a couple of guys like Zajac, Wheeler, Schneider, Kaspar etc who are less safe who maybe have even more upside.

-Pete Choquette

Oceanic39* 06-02-2004 02:03 PM

Schneider caught my eye last night while I was reading through THN's preview. They have Kaspar down around the 35 range. Zajac around 25, I think. (I knew I should have brought that thing to work)

Reading some of the write-ups and looking for the guys who's character is highlighted, combined with skill, one of the ones that I ran across as an option if we were to trade down or potentially slips was Aki Seitsonen. #30 NA. 6'3" 206 center. Stats aren't great - 16 goals and 40 points for Prince Albert last year. Write-up talked about his speed and willingness to bang, play in high-traffic areas and scouts wanting to see what he could do on the scoresheet next year after a season of NA hockey. A good skill set.

THN has Graham in the low 30's. I think he'll go before we're there. Write-up wasn't fantastic on him, but big guys get taken earlier than they probably should. I don't think Seitsonen will last until the late 2nd either.

Any re-draft players catch your eye, Pete? Tim Brent?

petec1978* 06-02-2004 04:19 PM

Nah.

Schneider could be a stud.

I had Seitsonen at midterms and he's highlighted as a second rounder on my notes but like Berti I can't justify using a 1st round pick on him without production.

-Pete Choquette

IceLady80 06-02-2004 08:00 PM

im still saying #33 projected overall Adam Pinault quote from this edition hockey news "adam is a big strong kid who has everthing you would want in a prospect. except a showcase season." "Pinault is a power winger who does the little things it takes to win."

There were some negative things but having seen him play and knowing some of the reasons behind the bad season this year i think he can work around this bad season. Tampa was the last team he talked to at the trials they just had up in canada where the prospects for this draft were put through a mini camp.

petec1978* 06-02-2004 09:50 PM

Pinault was supposed to be a lottery pick going into the year but really stubbed his toe production wise. Its tough to step in as a freshman in the NCAA and have a huge impact unless you're the best of the best prospects.

I just can't justify taking him in the first round when he had just 8 points all season. He's another guy maybe you look at if you trade down into the 2nd.

-Pete Choquette

Oceanic39* 06-03-2004 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petec1978
Pinault was supposed to be a lottery pick going into the year but really stubbed his toe production wise. Its tough to step in as a freshman in the NCAA and have a huge impact unless you're the best of the best prospects.

I just can't justify taking him in the first round when he had just 8 points all season. He's another guy maybe you look at if you trade down into the 2nd.

-Pete Choquette

I agree, however, if Jay is feeling lucky and wants to take a high-risk/high-reward pick, Pineault could be the guy.

I don't like reading this about him, though: "He's called the Mystery Man for good reason (THN)," "He did not work hard and he is a myster man. He has gone backwards and why, we don't know. (scout)" They all keep pointing to the fact he didn't play, but point to his under-17 teams he was so "great" on. Projected as a top-2 line power forward.

Re: Berti

Some comments that stuck out:

"When he wakes up and wants to play, he can play (scout)."
"He reminds me of Clark Gillies in that Gillies played very passively if you left him alone. Slash him once or twice and you got him going.(scout)"
"You wish he was more competative (NHL exec)" This one isn't good, but you could be describing Adam Henrich in his draft year.

Re: Seitsonen

I agree, Pete, he can't be a #1 with those numbers. But comments that stuck out in his profile:

"They [Finnish players] just work and work and work. (scout)"
"Good size, average scill, and is very competitive. (THN)"
"I don't know if he'll be a big scorer at the NHL level, but he won't be outworked.(scout)"

So, you're not only thinking 2nd at best, but maybe lower. Here's why I think he's a candidate:

"He has good smarts and good puck skills (scout)."
"Scouts can't wait until next season to see how he faris in his 2nd year in the WHL... he played in the Top Prospets Game and had the 4th best 60 yard dash and posted the 9th fastest in the fastest skater competition."

They make it sound like he's got untapped offensive potential to go along with the Tortorella-ingredients. For the record, he scored 15 in 14 with Ahmat in the Mid. and 18 in 40 with Hameen in the Finnish Jrs.

I think he'd be one to even trade up to the mid-2nd to get. Perhaps package a fifth or fourth (not the CLB pick, or do we have another 4th?) with our 2nd to move up 10 or so spots if he's still there in round 2.

petec1978* 06-03-2004 10:21 AM

Seitsonen strikes me as a third liner... I think we need to focus on getting some more skill than that back in the organization this season.

-Pete Choquette

Oceanic39* 06-03-2004 10:36 AM

I agree, however I think we have a need for a big centerman that can step in as a shut-down guy. Perhaps we can find one of those in the later rounds.

petec1978* 06-03-2004 02:51 PM

We haven't used a 1st round pick on a guy with legitimate 1st line offensive potential in over a half decade. Not since the Lecavalier draft to be specific. Other forwards we have taken have either been projects (Alexeev) or two-way players it was freely admitted would probably top out as second liners (Svitov).

Now's the time to go for some skill. Nothing to lose when you're sitting at pick 30 (::knock on wood::) and everything to gain.

-Pete Choquette

petec1978* 06-06-2004 07:44 PM

Schneider reportedly considering joining Rimouski for next season...

:eek:

-Pete Choquette

petec1978* 06-08-2004 08:02 PM

The first TSN.ca mock has the Lightning selecting center Bruce Graham at pick 30.

-Pete Choquette

petec1978* 06-08-2004 10:10 PM

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/draft/feature.asp?fid=7065

I find it interesting that Schneider, Wheeler and Zajac all slip out of the 1st in this mock... which begs for a trade down for extra picks if it holds up.

-Pete Choquette

Oceanic39* 06-09-2004 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petec1978
Schneider reportedly considering joining Rimouski for next season...

:eek:

-Pete Choquette

YES!!!

On 2 counts....

1) If we draft him, add another Rimouski star-in-the-making to the list (not calling Hrdel a star)
2) He was supposed to go to Boston College, which means Joe Pearce may be allowed an easier road to the starting job once their Finnish goalie graduates this year.

Rschmitz 06-10-2004 12:59 AM

Is trading up a possibility? Drew Stafford strikes me as the type of player that Torotrella and Feaster are looking for; top line talent, defensivly responsible, character. If by chance he drops, sitting their pretty at #20 -#25...maybe you trade a mid round pick and snag him?


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