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DenverBoone 11-15-2010 02:17 PM

Gagne's Vision Problems
 
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/healt...037/story.html

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Gagne has vision problems

Simon Gagne doesn't have a concussion in Tampa Bay but he's having vision problems when he turns his head quickly. It sounds like too many blows to the head.

He's missed 10 games.

It's too bad that Gagne has become an accident waiting to happen. The Philadelphia Flyers were just as concerned about his medical history and $5.25-million contract when they traded him to the Lightning.
Mods: Please merge or delete if this has been covered. I didn't know Gagne had vision problems.

CS 11-15-2010 02:23 PM

Didn't he have lasic or whatever that is a while back?

Then again, if his problems are concussion related I doubt that would help.

dbr2 11-15-2010 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Shafer (Post 28960406)
Didn't he have lasic or whatever that is a while back?

Then again, if his problems are concussion related I doubt that would help.

Yes he did. However, lasic is garbage.

DayoftheGreek 11-15-2010 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dbr2 (Post 28960479)
Yes he did. However, lasic is garbage.

Doesn't it have an insanely high success rate for people within normal vision impairments (as apposed to people with really, really terrible vision)?

Snotbubbles 11-15-2010 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dbr2 (Post 28960479)
Yes he did. However, lasic is garbage.

Please elaborate. I am considering getting this done. People I have talked to that had this done say nothing but great things about it.

ihatebraydenschenn 11-15-2010 02:52 PM

I'm going to the game on Thursday specifically to see Gagne. He better be skating.

might2mash 11-15-2010 02:54 PM

Definitely concussion-related. Said the issues happened whenever he turned his head too quickly. If it was an actual vision issue, it would be persistent.

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Originally Posted by galvo (Post 28960987)
I'm going to the game on Thursday specifically to see Gagne. He better be skating.

I would highly doubt it. Sorry.

Juicy Couturier* 11-15-2010 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Snotbubbles (Post 28960885)
Please elaborate. I am considering getting this done. People I have talked to that had this done say nothing but great things about it.

If I were you I would stick to what people that have had it done have said about it instead of listening to the guy that doesn't know how to spell the procedure he is bashing.

Beef Invictus 11-15-2010 03:18 PM

this makes me sad, both as a gagne fan, and as general ****ing manager of my god-damned ****ing fantasy team.

Mgkibbles 11-15-2010 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DayoftheGreek (Post 28960853)
Doesn't it have an insanely high success rate for people within normal vision impairments (as apposed to people with really, really terrible vision)?

I believe people are beginning to doubt Lasic as a long-term solution to poor eye sight because the eye will sometimes reverse to it's previous state over time, leading to a second surgery.

DrinkFightFlyers 11-15-2010 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Beef Invictus (Post 28961459)
this makes me sad, both as a gagne fan, and as general ****ing manager of my god-damned ****ing fantasy team.

I second this. I traded for Gagne in a deal involving Malkin. But in all seriousness, it's a shame the way things have gone for Gagne this season. Given the boot from his old organization, then more injuries sidelining him at his new organization. Tough break for a class act fella.

Snotbubbles 11-15-2010 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mgkibbles (Post 28961518)
I believe people are beginning to doubt Lasic as a long-term solution to poor eye sight because the eye will sometimes reverse to it's previous state over time, leading to a second surgery.

I know of this from my research. Your eyes get progressively worse as you age, it's not that the procedure doesn't work. It's just a natural process of aging. As a person who has worn corrective lenses for 30 years, I can't tell you how great getting 5 or 10 years of perfect vision would be without having to put contacts on or wear glasses.

FreshPerspective 11-15-2010 03:51 PM

One article mentioned he was having neurological issues in his neck and I suggested it was quite possible those injections he was receiving a few years ago to speed up his recovery from the concussion symptoms may be linked. He was getting them in his neck area I believe and maybe now it's affecting his vision etc. The procedure was experimental as I recall and thus not proven although it aided him in the short term. Obviously, jury still out but I think it's a legit hypothesis to consider..

As far as laser eye surgery ..I had a very sharp eye doctor tell me that laser eye surgery could complicate issues with surgery if you get glaucoma later in life. Something about thining the lens but maybe now that is not the case. She mentioned a more invasive surgery was better but don't recall the specifics...

ihatebraydenschenn 11-15-2010 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by might2mash (Post 28961035)
I would highly doubt it. Sorry.

It's all your fault, I hate you.

Mgkibbles 11-15-2010 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DrDoom (Post 28962038)
One article mentioned he was having neurological issues in his neck and I suggested it was quite possible those injections he was receiving a few years ago to speed up his recovery from the concussion symptoms may be linked. He was getting them in his neck area I believe and maybe now it's affecting his vision etc. The procedure was experimental as I recall and thus not proven although it aided him in the short term. Obviously, jury still out but I think it's a legit hypothesis to consider..

As far as laser eye surgery ..I had a very sharp eye doctor tell me that laser eye surgery could complicate issues with surgery if you get glaucoma later in life. Something about thining the lens but maybe now that is not the case. She mentioned a more invasive surgery was better but don't recall the specifics...

He was getting shots? I thought it was just acupuncture to relieve muscle tension. I'm guessing I just misremembered.

RJ8812 11-15-2010 04:22 PM

love Gagne & all, and hope he can recover, but Homer knew what he was doing when he traded him

I could just imaging all the ***** about Gagne if he was still playing for us and this was going on

Sawdalite 11-15-2010 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RJ8812 (Post 28962531)
love Gagne & all, and hope he can recover, but Homer knew what he was doing when he traded him

I could just imaging all the ***** about Gagne if he was still playing for us and this was going on

I've been having that same feeling for a while now.

FreshPerspective 11-15-2010 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mgkibbles (Post 28962358)
He was getting shots? I thought it was just acupuncture to relieve muscle tension. I'm guessing I just misremembered.

Yup...here is the therapy. Supposedly, it's a innovative treatment and he got it for his groin or was it knee problem last year too. It's possible it's ok when it comes to doing injections in the lower body but maybe not a good idea in the neck like Gagne got. Anti-inflammatories are no joke.

edit...he got the injections in the head too and actually it was an inflammatory agent with an anesthetic as noted below. Who knows if that crap causes side effects up in that area...

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SWEET RELIEF

While heeding Dr.Kelly's advice of rest and relaxation by toiling many hours on the couch watching TV, Simon happened to catch a local news segment on Scott Greenberg MD of the Magaziner Center for Wellness in Cherry Hill, NJ. Greenberg was discussing his specialty: prolotherapy.

A few days later, after consulting with Flyers athletic trainer Jim McCrossin, Simon was in Dr.Greenberg's office.

What is prolotherapy?

"A series of pinpointed shots that help heal nerve damage, spark the bodies immune system, regenerate damaged tissue and strengthen the joints. With prolotherapy, you get pinpoint therapy to the area that is damaged. You don't just get a blanket treatment. It is like getting surgery without getting cut open," according to the New Jersey-based doctor.

Dr. Greenberg, one of the leading prolotherapy specialists in the country, treated Gagne once a week in April and May with a series of 30-50 shots per session targeted to the joints in the neck, head and upper back. The shots combine two anesthetics with an inflammatory agent.

Gagne credits the treatments with allowing him to progress from chronic headaches to feeling OK to being cleared to play in time for 2008 training camp.

"After the first treatment, I saw the result right away. I think prolotherapy was a large factor in me being able to come back this year," said Gagne.

http://www.hockeybarn.com/columns/view.htm?article=110

infidelappel* 11-15-2010 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RJ8812 (Post 28962531)
love Gagne & all, and hope he can recover, but Homer knew what he was doing when he traded him

I could just imaging all the ***** about Gagne if he was still playing for us and this was going on

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Originally Posted by Sawdalite (Post 28965890)
I've been having that same feeling for a while now.

I was convinced that Gagne was going to rebound and have a big year this year, and was pretty vocal to all my friends about it...and on this board.

So far, my foot tastes pretty delicious.

Giroux tha Damaja 11-15-2010 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by infidelappel (Post 28968713)
I was convinced that Gagne was going to rebound and have a big year this year, and was pretty vocal to all my friends about it...and on this board.

So far, my foot tastes pretty delicious.

I wasn't so vocal about it, but that's mostly because my mouth was occupied at the time from previous predictions. I thought he was going to do well too. Whatever, he's still pretty damn baller, and nobody is gonna tell me different.

CSKA1974 11-15-2010 11:15 PM

Visual deficits with quick head turns may be due to vestibular system problem, otherwise known as vertigo. It can be related to concussions.

I have missed Simon much, now I just wish him a speedy and complete recovery.

CavemanLawyer 11-15-2010 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RJ8812 (Post 28962531)
love Gagne & all, and hope he can recover, but Homer knew what he was doing when he traded him

I could just imaging all the ***** about Gagne if he was still playing for us and this was going on

Ding ding ding. I think not just Homer, but other players/GMs. I mean come on, just look at him down there. It's obvious something hasn't been right.

sa cyred 11-15-2010 11:43 PM

Atleast we have Walker.

Jester 11-16-2010 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by CavemanLawyer (Post 28975586)
Ding ding ding. I think not just Homer, but other players/GMs. I mean come on, just look at him down there. It's obvious something hasn't been right.

At the same time, he was stellar for us after the Olympics and into the playoffs (broken foot and all).

Beef Invictus 11-16-2010 09:41 AM

yeah, i'm not convinced Homer or the other GMs knew he was going to hit the boards weird and be sidelined forever.


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