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headsigh 11-20-2010 05:49 PM

Is 1999 the worst draft in recent memory?
 
#1st ovr- Patrik Stefan. Never lived up to expectations and his peak was at 40 pts.
#2nd and 3rd ovr - the Sedins. Most likely the best players in the draft.
#4 - Pavel Brendl. Never translated junior stats to the NHL. Now plays in the KHL.
#5 - Tim Connolly - solid 50-60pt center, but plagued with concussions and a disappointment considering his high position.
#6 - Bryan Finley - just four NHL games.
#7 - Kris Beech - scored 25 goals in the NHL, now in the SEL for HV71.
#8 - Taylor Pyatt - career high of 37 points. solid depth player, but massive disappointment considering position drafted.
#9 - Jamie Lundmark - career high of 36 points.
#10 - Branislav Mezei - is Branislav Mezei.

That's only the top ten. Five players out of 272 players have been named to the all-star team from that draft class. It's really disappointing and weak.

What are some other drafts with a lot of misses?

seventieslord 11-20-2010 09:02 PM

Before the emergence of the Sedins, I'd have said 1999 for sure.

But 1996 was probably even worse.

Normand Lacombe 11-20-2010 09:35 PM

1996 was probably the second worst in modern times after 1999. Briere was the best of the bunch in the 1st round. Best player overall was Chara drafted in the 3rd round.

1969 draft was the worst, IMO. The first draft where the old NHL sponsorship of junior teams was eliminated. Bobby Clarke, hands down, was far and away the best player in that draft.

King Forsberg 11-20-2010 09:42 PM

1969 was easily one of the worst drafts. Ironically however it ws probably one of the best ever for the Flyers. They drafted Bobby Clarke Dave Schultz and Don Saleski. All three were important to their success.

1999s first round is pretty bad. Barrett Jackman and the Sedins were the real stars out of that draft. Wasn't Ryan Miller drafted in 1999 though?

reckoning 11-20-2010 09:45 PM

1975 would probably be the worst ever due to the best players being selected as underage picks the year before (Paiement, Larouche, Trottier, etc.).

No Hall Of Famers. Only 6 players from it ever played in the All-Star Game (by comparison the '74 draft had 21). The only player in it to play over 1000 games was the 210th selection (Dave Taylor).

1985 was fairly below-average as well. Lots of decent players with long respectable careers (Dahlen, Johansson, Nieuwendyk, Olausson, McKay, etc.) but lacking those two or three superstars that every other 80s draft had.

Normand Lacombe 11-20-2010 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timonen (Post 29080439)
Wasn't Ryan Miller drafted in 1999 though?

Yes, 5th round.

MS 11-20-2010 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reckoning (Post 29080586)
1975 would probably be the worst ever due to the best players being selected as underage picks the year before (Paiement, Larouche, Trottier, etc.).

No Hall Of Famers. Only 6 players from it ever played in the All-Star Game (by comparison the '74 draft had 21). The only player in it to play over 1000 games was the 210th selection (Dave Taylor).

1985 was fairly below-average as well. Lots of decent players with long respectable careers (Dahlen, Johansson, Nieuwendyk, Olausson, McKay, etc.) but lacking those two or three superstars that every other 80s draft had.

No draft, ever, has been hit by injuries as hard as the 1985 group.

5 of the top 6 guys had their careers substantially curtailed by injuries. Clark is well documented. Simpson was a star before his back gave out. Wolanin had wonky knees his whole career which prevented him from reaching his potential - only 3 years over 70 games out of 13 in his career, retired at age 31. Sandlak's body broke down with all kinds of knee/back problems and he didn't play over 70 games in a season past the age of 23 (and only passed 60 once). Dalgarno missed 2 full seasons with an eye injury and never really got back on track, and had a litany of other injuries besides that.

The amount of games the top 6 picks in that draft missed through injury is just staggering.

Big Phil 11-20-2010 11:19 PM

Yeah 1999 was still the worst I think although let's just wait for 2011.........

Pavel Brendl had choke written all over him from day one. I'm sorry but I never liked him, even a 73 goal season in his draft year didn't convince me.

Plus the #1 overall pick is best known not for being a bust, but for missing an open net with the goalie pulled two feet in front of him, tripping, and then having the other team score. Never a good sign for a draft.

I remember an article about Kris Beech describing him as the "safest pick". Really?

I have to admit I was rather surprised Brian Finley didn't turn out to be a solid NHL goalie, but there's another one for 1999 - hooray!

Lundmark looked like he'd be a talent. There was Joe Sakic comparisons to him if I remember correctly.

Plus Steve McCarthy was a guy who I can clearly remembered was revered prior to the draft much in the same way Drew Doughty was in 2008. But that never worked out.

Tim Connolly is an alright player when his head isn't scrambled. But even when healthy he's a guy who would make you shudder if he was your best player

Mayor Bee 11-21-2010 12:18 AM

The more I think about it, the more I start wondering if 2000 isn't worse than 1999. 99 is notable because the first round was mostly garbage, but 00 has a lot of guys who can be described as "serviceable at best" and only a couple of actual stars.

For the sake of comparison, here are the combined stats for skaters.
1999 - 19,359 total games played; 2,696 goals scored; 4,778 assists; 7,474 total points; -345; 13,916 penalty minutes
2000 - 19,716 total games; 2,821 goals; 4,516 assists; 7,337 points; -258; 15,654 penalty minutes

And for goalies.
1999 - 1,005 games; 438-369-115 record
2000 - 1,367 games; 638-487-149 record

For stars, 1999 has the Sedins, Ryan Miller, and Henrik Zetterberg. 2000 has Gaborik and Heatley, possibly Henrik Lundqvist

Or, the number of total players with....
200 goals
1999 - 2 (Daniel Sedin with 211, Henrik Zetterberg with 206)
2000 - 2 (Dany Heatley with 299, Marian Gaborik with 261)

100 goals
1999 - 11 (Sedin, Zetterberg, Havlat, Comrie, H Sedin, Malone, Vrbata, Hagman, Erat, Connolly, Pyatt)
2000 - 7 (Heatley, Gaborik, Frolov, Hartnell, Justin Williams, Boyes, Vermette)

300 assists
1999 - 2 (Henrik Sedin with 438, Daniel Sedin with 341)
2000 - 1 (Dany Heatley with 327)

200 points
1999 - 11
2000 - 11

2000 does have a noted edge in goalies. 1999 has Ryan Miller, then Alex Auld, Craig Anderson, and Michael Leighton. 2000 has Henrik Lundqvist, Rick Dipietro, Ilya Bryzgalov, and Roman Cechmanek.

seventieslord 11-21-2010 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mayor Bee (Post 29084286)
The more I think about it, the more I start wondering if 2000 isn't worse than 1999. 99 is notable because the first round was mostly garbage, but 00 has a lot of guys who can be described as "serviceable at best" and only a couple of actual stars.

For the sake of comparison, here are the combined stats for skaters.
1999 - 19,359 total games played; 2,696 goals scored; 4,778 assists; 7,474 total points; -345; 13,916 penalty minutes
2000 - 19,716 total games; 2,821 goals; 4,516 assists; 7,337 points; -258; 15,654 penalty minutes

And for goalies.
1999 - 1,005 games; 438-369-115 record
2000 - 1,367 games; 638-487-149 record

For stars, 1999 has the Sedins, Ryan Miller, and Henrik Zetterberg. 2000 has Gaborik and Heatley, possibly Henrik Lundqvist

Or, the number of total players with....
200 goals
1999 - 2 (Daniel Sedin with 211, Henrik Zetterberg with 206)
2000 - 2 (Dany Heatley with 299, Marian Gaborik with 261)

100 goals
1999 - 11 (Sedin, Zetterberg, Havlat, Comrie, H Sedin, Malone, Vrbata, Hagman, Erat, Connolly, Pyatt)
2000 - 7 (Heatley, Gaborik, Frolov, Hartnell, Justin Williams, Boyes, Vermette)

300 assists
1999 - 2 (Henrik Sedin with 438, Daniel Sedin with 341)
2000 - 1 (Dany Heatley with 327)

200 points
1999 - 11
2000 - 11

2000 does have a noted edge in goalies. 1999 has Ryan Miller, then Alex Auld, Craig Anderson, and Michael Leighton. 2000 has Henrik Lundqvist, Rick Dipietro, Ilya Bryzgalov, and Roman Cechmanek.

These totals that you're adding up indicate that the 2000 class has slightly outperformed the 1999 class despite having one fewer year of time to do it.

Howe Elbows 9 11-21-2010 05:23 AM

Building teams from the four most recent drafts mentioned in this thread...

1985

Clark - Nieuwendyk - Simpson
Dahlén - Larionov - King
Buchberger - Hogue - Druce
Grimson - Baumgartner - Churla
McKay

Johansson - Weinrich
Olausson - Manson
Murzyn - Chiasson
Wolanin

Richter
Burke

1996

Sturm - Briere - Dumont
Belanger - Cullen - Reasoner
Asham - Zubrus - Parrish
Pisani - Pċhlsson - Bradley
Adams

Chara - Morris
Kaberle - Roszival
Kubina - Phillips
Mitchell

Garon
Esche

1999

Sedin - Sedin - Havlat
Zetterberg - Connolly - Malone
Vrbata - Comrie - Erat
Hagman - Kelly - Pyatt
Kostopoulos

Commodore - Jackman
Leopold - Murray
Martinek - Carkner
Boynton

Miller
Anderson

2000

Heatley - Boyes - Gaborik
Frolov - Stoll - Williams
Hartnell - Lombardi* - Vermette
Miettinen - Ott - Torres
Moore

Martin - Orpik
Visnovsky - Kronwall
Liles - Volchenkov
Hainsey

Lundqvist
Bryzgalov

* Didn't sign with the Oilers, re-entered the draft and was selected by the Flames in 2002.

Loto68 11-21-2010 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Competitive Violence (Post 29085927)
2000

Heatley - Boyes - Gaborik
Frolov - Stoll - Williams
Hartnell - Lombardi* - Vermette
Miettinen - Ott - Torres
Moore

Martin - Orpik
Visnovsky - Kronwall
Liles - Volchenkov
Hainsey

Lundqvist
Bryzgalov

* Didn't sign with the Oilers, re-entered the draft and was selected by the Flames in 2002.

That's actually a REALLY good team. Maybe a little weak at center, but the wings are really good, the defense is tremendously underrated and the goal tending is superb.

jkrx 11-21-2010 06:24 AM

Quote:

1985

Clark - Nieuwendyk - Simpson
Dahlén - Larionov - King
Buchberger - Hogue - Druce
Grimson - Baumgartner - Churla
McKay

Johansson - Weinrich
Olausson - Manson
Murzyn - Chiasson
Wolanin

Richter
Burke
Team would be more solid if you picked up Nelson Emerson, Reekie, Gilchrist and Burridge

tony d 11-21-2010 08:46 AM

It's 1999. Besides the Sedins and Zetterberg, Miller and Havlat it was mostly a bad draft. The 1996 draft was bad too but it produced some good defensemen (Kaberle, Chara, Morris, Phillips, Rozival and Kubina)

the edler 11-21-2010 09:57 AM

hart, art ross, conn smythe and vezina [sedin, zetterberg, miller] beats out a norris [chara] and a few good but never great defensemen


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