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PhillyFrisco 11-23-2010 01:36 AM

Fire Ron Wilson... ASAP PART II
 
Last thread reached the limit. Yes, we won tonight but this topic will undoubtedly re-surface in the minds of all leafs fans. It's just a matter of time.

Wilson is simply on borrowed time.

"LET'S GO!"

bzer 11-23-2010 02:25 AM

I'm so sick of him talking about Kadri and AHL every god damn post-game.

Aplayaz2000 11-23-2010 02:45 AM

Wilson is the best coach ever.

thebluemachine* 11-23-2010 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by bzer (Post 29126874)
I'm so sick of him talking about Kadri and AHL every god damn post-game.

I stopped listening to Wilson's post game remarks a long time ago because of this. Don't tell me he ripped Kadri again after last night's game.

Dio666 11-23-2010 07:47 AM

The Leafs are a very young team. Be patient!

mooseOAK* 11-23-2010 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by bzer (Post 29126874)
I'm so sick of him talking about Kadri and AHL every god damn post-game.

He does this on his own or is he answering yet another Kadri question?

Raging Bull 11-23-2010 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by mooseOAK (Post 29127933)
He does this on his own or is he answering yet another Kadri question?

Last night Steve Simmons asked him if Kadri had done enough to be up in the NHL for good. Wilson said he is creating offense every game, working on his defense, and if those things falter maybe he'll be sent down to the AHL for seasoning, but it really doesn't look like it right now.

zapy 11-23-2010 07:50 AM

It just bothers me how he tries to belittle Kadri and Kessel at times. Same with Gustavson. Who's next Kulemin?

Maybe its his way of coaching, the whole "tough" love approach, it seems to be working thus far.

I don't think he's been THAT bad of a coach overall. He's made a LOT of good decisions but people don't mention the good stuff he does, just the bad.

mooseOAK* 11-23-2010 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Raging Bull (Post 29127940)
Last night Steve Simmons asked him if Kadri had done enough to be up in the NHL for good. Wilson said he is creating offense every game, working on his defense, and if those things falter maybe he'll be sent down to the AHL for seasoning, but it really doesn't look like it right now.

Fair assessment, I think.

Dayjobdave 11-23-2010 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by mooseOAK (Post 29127949)
Fair assessment, I think.

Agreed, but there seems to be an element here that thinks rather than having a coach who honestly answers questions, we should bring in someone who`ll pump the boys up in the media and play the trap.


Like that will speed Kadri`s development. :-)

neoen 11-23-2010 08:51 AM

Its making the players accountable. I'm on the side that its the players team once they jump over the board. You can teach a team how to skate, pass, and play the PK, but once they're on the ice, your hands as a coach are tied. If Komisarek decides to throw it up the middle instead of down the boards like you teach him in practice, that really isn't your fault.

As for benching players who aren't giving effort, I 100% agree. These are male hockey players that are feeding off of 'drive' from eachother, and if someone isn't going to give it, then someone else will. Don't tell me its not there either. We've seen many times the team get a fire under their ass in the third, and suddenly a couple other lines start playing as well.

I think it was Dungy, maybe someone else, that said a few weeks ago, if you think the coach is at fault when the team isnt player well, then you don't know the game. That may have been football, but its still a sport.

C'mon Man

mydnyte 11-23-2010 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by zapy (Post 29127946)
It just bothers me how he tries to belittle Kadri and Kessel at times. Same with Gustavson. Who's next Kulemin?

Maybe its his way of coaching, the whole "tough" love approach, it seems to be working thus far.

I don't think he's been THAT bad of a coach overall. He's made a LOT of good decisions but people don't mention the good stuff he does, just the bad.

he doesnt like swollen heads ...makes it harder to fit into the helmet, and more susceptible to concussion as a result

JMcLeaf 11-23-2010 09:07 AM

Something that pisses me off is in Schenn's rookie year Wilson would frequently say that he has to be patient with Schenn and expects mistakes since he's a rookie, but with Kadri, Wilson acts like he expects Kadri to be perfect with no turnovers and great defense and has no issue pointing out his mistakes to the media.

ACC1224 11-23-2010 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by JMcLeaf (Post 29128646)
Something that pisses me off is in Schenn's rookie year Wilson would frequently say that he has to be patient with Schenn and expects mistakes since he's a rookie, but with Kadri, Wilson acts like he expects Kadri to be perfect with no turnovers and great defense and has no issue pointing out his mistakes to the media.

I know, it's almost like they're two different players/personalities.

dubey 11-23-2010 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ACC1224 (Post 29128696)
I know, it's almost like they're two different players/personalities.

I think it has to do with their attitudes. Kadri expected a spot coming into this season. Schenn worked for one and earned it.

They are trying to adjust his attitude a bit.

Dutch77 11-23-2010 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by dubey (Post 29128723)
I think it has to do with their attitudes. Kadri expected a spot coming into this season. Schenn worked for one and earned it.

They are trying to adjust his attitude a bit.

If there is a method to his madness, I don't think he wants Kadri getting comfortable

ACC1224 11-23-2010 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by dubey (Post 29128723)
I think it has to do with their attitudes. Kadri expected a spot coming into this season. Schenn worked for one and earned it.

I think the Leafs are trying to adjust his attitude a bit.

Looks like the AHL was the best place for him, can't deny the results.

Nasty Nazem 11-23-2010 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by dubey (Post 29128723)
I think it has to do with their attitudes. Kadri expected a spot coming into this season. Schenn worked for one and earned it.

They are trying to adjust his attitude a bit.

Or maybe as a defense men you tend to make more mistakes?

dubey 11-23-2010 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by IronMan77 (Post 29128766)
If there is a method to his madness, I don't think he wants Kadri getting comfortable

He shouldn't be comfortable until he can prove that he deserves a regular spot on a NHL team. That generally takes longer than a few games.
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Originally Posted by ACC1224 (Post 29128778)
Looks like the AHL was the best place for him, can't deny the results.

I don't think anyone in hockey expected Kadri to start in the AHL this season. The Leafs want Kadri to earn it and I agree 100% with the approach.
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Originally Posted by Nasty Nazem (Post 29128788)
Or maybe as a defense men you tend to make more mistakes?

I think there's this notion that defencemen take longer to develop but young players are prone to mistakes regardless of the position.

mooseOAK* 11-23-2010 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by JMcLeaf (Post 29128646)
Something that pisses me off is in Schenn's rookie year Wilson would frequently say that he has to be patient with Schenn and expects mistakes since he's a rookie, but with Kadri, Wilson acts like he expects Kadri to be perfect with no turnovers and great defense and has no issue pointing out his mistakes to the media.

Defence is a more difficult position to learn.

mydnyte 11-23-2010 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMcLeaf (Post 29128646)
Something that pisses me off is in Schenn's rookie year Wilson would frequently say that he has to be patient with Schenn and expects mistakes since he's a rookie, but with Kadri, Wilson acts like he expects Kadri to be perfect with no turnovers and great defense and has no issue pointing out his mistakes to the media.

cocky vs modest = criticism vs patience

Hero 11-23-2010 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by bzer (Post 29126874)
I'm so sick of him talking about Kadri and AHL every god damn post-game.

Agreed. Thats a joke.

cup67 11-26-2010 07:36 PM

the way he handles his players, not working
 
versteeg,gets a stupid penalty, we were already down 1 man , and just got scored on. he gets to play more, took an extra shift at the end, kulimun spot. what message is wilson sending? , kaberle makes a stupid play, buffalo gets a break away, he gets benched 2 shifts. last sat. komi passed the puck to camerllari, never got benched. wilson is going to lose his players, if he did' t already. mistakes or not he should keep pushing the players, motivate them , encourage them. whats next? kadri benched for not scoring, monster, benched tomorrows game.

wilson stop trying to show up the leaf fans and think you know more than us, we have played and watched hockey since we were born, you idiot! concentrate on coaching.

wilson you need :help: :D

Stan Dupcomic 11-26-2010 07:45 PM

It's not Wilson's fault that his players are taking stupid penalties.

ChuckWoods 11-26-2010 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by cup67 (Post 29193481)
versteeg,gets a stupid penalty, we were already down 1 man , and just got scored on. he gets to play more, took an extra shift at the end, kulimun spot. what message is wilson sending? , kaberle makes a stupid play, buffalo gets a break away, he gets benched 2 shifts. last sat. komi passed the puck to camerllari, never got benched. wilson is going to lose his players, if he did' t already. mistakes or not he should keep pushing the players, motivate them , encourage them. whats next? kadri benched for not scoring, monster, benched tomorrows game.

wilson stop trying to show up the leaf fans and think you know more than us, we have played and watched hockey since we were born, you idiot! concentrate on coaching.

wilson you need :help: :D



Well, I figured I could read one of your threads without laughing.

Typically its a trade thread that is laughable and completely outrageous, and I almost made it through one of your posts without shaking my head until I read the bolded part.

Wilson eat, sleeps and lives hockey. He's got the most games coached out of any active coach in the league, and has coached some pretty damn successful teams.

So for him to say he's trying to show fans up is actually rediculous. He's trying absolutely everything to get players motivated and to move their feet and make smart plays, and just nothing is working. When a team is playing as poorly as the Leafs were in the first period...You cannt just bench everyone. You need to get them to play through it.

When ONE player isnt playing up to standards and just isnt putting up the effort and numbers he should be, you need to send a message. Some respond, some dont.

Do you have a thread quota that you need to be locked per week?


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