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PALE PWNR 11-28-2010 02:34 PM

GM of the year? or Stanley Cup or Bust
 
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=544390

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There are many ways in determining what makes a good NHL general manager. Sometimes it's rebuilding an organization that has fallen on hard times and turning it back into a contender. Or it could be maintaining a team that has been successful year in and year out through shrewd drafting and a timely trade.

Among the GMs who have made their mark early in the 2010-11 are the guys in charge of Eastern Conference-leading Philadelphia, which is coming off a Stanley Cup Final appearance, surprising Tampa Bay, looking to get back in the playoffs after a three-season absence, and surging Phoenix, which wants to build off its breakthrough campaign of a season ago.

There are 30 general managers whose work this season has only just begun, but NHL.com's Brian Compton handicaps the early race for top executive.

Winner

Paul Holmgren, Philadelphia Flyers -- The architect of a team that was already built for the Stanley Cup Playoffs, Holmgren found ways to improve his squad both prior to and during the early part of the 2010-11 season. The free-agent signing of Russian goaltender Sergei Bobrovksy could end up being the steal of the century in Philadelphia as Bobrovsky has flourished as the club's No. 1 goaltender. Not only do the Flyers find themselves in a first-place tie in the Eastern Conference, but Holmgren has signed Jeff Carter and Claude Giroux to extensions in the past month.
All this and yet Laviolette is not even mentioned in the coach's award

decadentia 11-28-2010 02:37 PM

This kind of reminds me of an Inconvenient Truth when Al Gore says "it's quite complicated so I won't get into it too much but..." and ignores a bunch of ****.

It doesn't mention Shelley/Walker/Gagne

Not that I believe he's a horrible GM, but this is GM of the year...as in what he's done this year. With that in mind, we could likely say the good thing any GM (with a winning record) has done by themselves and winner winner chicken dinner.

Also, I love Bobrovsky, but he's played 18 games. I love all the optimism going around so far, but there seems to be a whole lot of "hype" attributed to this team this year.

CS 11-28-2010 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by PALE PWNR (Post 29226821)
All this and yet Laviolette is not even mentioned in the coach's award

Jack Adams is going to be given to the coach of a team that surprises everyone. That's just a reality.

As for GM of the year, I don't think Holmgren deserves it. He's a much better GM than all the haters on this board suggest, but there are some GMs out there who have had stellar offseasons.

HoverCarle* 11-28-2010 02:38 PM

Lavi deserves praise

DrinkFightFlyers 11-28-2010 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Hovercraft (Post 29226880)
Lavi deserves praise

I agree, but that's not normally what happens for the coach of the year award. Everyone knew the Flyers were going to be good, but like someone else said, it will be the team no one saw coming whose coach gets coach of the year. My early pick is either Scott Arnielin Columbus or Davis Payne in St. Louis.

Hockeypete49 11-28-2010 03:04 PM

I will wait to pass judgment until the end of the year. Homer is a very good GM but I am not ready to anoint him as the best this year. However I am glad we have him. It is nice to see he is getting some props. He is a Flyer to the core. I can still remember him getting interviewed by Gene Hart in Minnesota after he was traded. He was choked up talking about Philly. Does anyone remember the story about Pat Croce his buddy,dropping him with one shot:laugh:

Valhoun* 11-28-2010 03:32 PM

It's pretty apropos that the biggest piece of evidence for Homer being GM of the Year is a **** luck signing of a goaltender from Russia.

HoverCarle* 11-28-2010 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Valhoun (Post 29228050)
It's pretty apropos that the biggest piece of evidence for Homer being GM of the Year is a **** luck signing of a goaltender from Russia.

GM of the year: Leighton's Back

"If he hadn't made a huge sacrifice, we wouldnt be in this position today."

RJ8812 11-28-2010 03:43 PM

it's not even December yet....

GoneFullHextall 11-28-2010 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Hovercraft (Post 29226880)
Lavi deserves praise

coaches who are given loaded teams usually dont win the Jack Adams.

HoverCarle* 11-28-2010 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GoneFullHolmgren (Post 29228400)
coaches who are given loaded teams usually dont win the Jack Adams.

Oh I know. Only flyers fans really know how lazy our team was under stevens

KimiFerrari 11-28-2010 04:24 PM

Misleading title. Should read "GM of the year!"

Garbage Goal 11-28-2010 04:38 PM

I don't place much stock into most NHL awards. That article is pretty much why. It looks at how well the team is doing and places all of that as the GM's doing somehow and doesn't mention how much luck was involved (a la Bobrovsky) or the bad stuff either (Shelley, Walker, Leighton, arguably Gagne). The GM of the year award might as well just go to one of top six teams in the standings automatically.

Conversely, Laviolette deserves to be in contention for coach of the year, but won't get it because the team is stacked and because he already has success with it last year.

GoneFullHextall 11-28-2010 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Hovercraft (Post 29228434)
Oh I know. Only flyers fans really know how lazy our team was under stevens

I agree. This team hadnt had back to back stink jobs this season. The past 2 games was just good goaltending by the other team. Some people want to believe coaching doesnt matter.

Jester 11-28-2010 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Garbage Goal (Post 29229542)
I don't place much stock into most NHL awards. That article is pretty much why. It looks at how well the team is doing and places all of that as the GM's doing somehow and doesn't mention how much luck was involved (a la Bobrovsky) or the bad stuff either (Shelley, Walker, Leighton, arguably Gagne). The GM of the year award might as well just go to one of top six teams in the standings automatically.

Conversely, Laviolette deserves to be in contention for coach of the year, but won't get it because the team is stacked and because he already has success with it last year.

Case in point: Charlie Manuel and the Phils this past year... criminal he didn't win Coach of the Year given the injuries that club sustained and still managed to record the best record in baseball.

flyersjamminontheone 11-28-2010 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GoneFullHolmgren (Post 29228400)
coaches who are given loaded teams usually dont win the Jack Adams.

Didn't detroits coach win it?

Jester 11-28-2010 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by flyersjamminontheone (Post 29230458)
Didn't detroits coach win it?

Nope.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Adams_Award

Generally you're looking for teams that improve immensely from one year to the next.

Protest 11-28-2010 05:21 PM

No, he should be mentioned in the GM of the year talks because the talent he has put together and the record we will hopefully have, but that said I think he is far from the best GM. He has a great eye for talent, but he bucthers contracts, even his good deals are still slight overpays, and throws away draft picks. GM of the year should encompass everything a GM needs to do not just the talent he puts out there.

SgtJoseph 11-28-2010 06:50 PM

Whoever is responsible for this quality team that went to the Stanley cup finals last season, and has as good a chance as any other club to get there again this season deserves a lot of credit.A whole lot of other teams would like to be in this organizations shoes.If Homer got GM of the year i have no problem with that, and Homer would be the first person to spread the credit to many others who are part of the success as well.

CS 11-28-2010 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SgtJoseph (Post 29233090)
Whoever is responsible for this quality team that went to the Stanley cup finals last season, and has as good a chance as any other club to get there again this season deserves a lot of credit.A whole lot of other teams would like to be in this organizations shoes.If Homer got GM of the year i have no problem with that, and Homer would be the first person to spread the credit to many others who are part of the success as well.

I agree that Holmgren has done a better job than most GMs in the time-frame since he came to power. You cannot ignore a team that went from last place in 2006-07 to first place by the quarter mark of 2010-11 with two Conference Finals and a Stanley Cup appearance in between.

That said, if Holmgren was going to get GM of the year it should've been in 2007-08, not after he made some minor moves to revamp a roster that went to the Stanley Cup last year.

DrinkFightFlyers 11-28-2010 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SgtJoseph (Post 29233090)
Whoever is responsible for this quality team that went to the Stanley cup finals last season, and has as good a chance as any other club to get there again this season deserves a lot of credit.A whole lot of other teams would like to be in this organizations shoes.If Homer got GM of the year i have no problem with that, and Homer would be the first person to spread the credit to many others who are part of the success as well.

Are you crazy?! The guy signed Michael Leighton!

SgtJoseph 11-28-2010 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DrinkFightFlyers (Post 29233408)
Are you crazy?! The guy signed Michael Leighton!

Do you think that automatically makes him a bad GM ? Coach Lavy certainly had a hand in Mike coming to the Flyers as well i should think?Leighton carried a pretty good load for us when the chips were down late last season.

Mr Oysterhead 11-28-2010 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SgtJoseph (Post 29233565)
Do you think that automatically makes him a bad GM ? Coach Lavy certainly had a hand in Mike coming to the Flyers as well i should think?Leighton carried a pretty good load for us when the chips were down late last season.

Pretty sure DFF was being sarcastic.

1865 11-28-2010 07:36 PM

Not going to get into this debate again. Can't believe some people think that the incredibly irrelevant Walker and Shelley things are that much of a detriment to him.

decadentia 11-28-2010 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 1865 (Post 29233883)
Not going to get into this debate again. Can't believe some people think that the incredibly irrelevant Walker and Shelley things are that much of a detriment to him.

So instead of one extreme of condemning him for it, you go to the other by saying 2.8 mil in cap space (until 2013) is irrelevant?

I would say at the least its noteworthy, especially considering the topic at hand is "GM of the Year" and those irrelevant signings are the bulk of what he did this summer. I'm not advocating he's a horrible GM, far from it, but let's not enter lollypop land either.


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