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Nordic* 12-11-2010 07:44 AM

Going forward
 
Kovalev is about to turn 38 (5,000,000)
Gonchar is about to turn 37 5,500,000)
Alfredsson just turned 38 (4,875,000)

None of these guys are close to what they used to be, and they're only getting worse. Right when Ottawa signed Gonchar and friggin Kovalev I shook my head, I mean, why?

I can to an extent see the Gonchar signing since he's supposed to mentor Karlsson. But Karlsson doesn't need an offensive defenceman's mentorship - he needs someone that shows him clues as to defend and carry himself. Someone like Volchenkov, who incidentally only makes 4,250,000$; 750,000 les than Gonchar. On top of this he's also considerably younger (28) and couldn't served Ottawa for years to come. Or did he take less to get to play dor what he assumed was a SC-contender? In any case; I just don't understand the logic in aquiring Kovalev and Gonchar - especially Kovalev. I don't think I've ever seen a bigger floater in the NHL, and that's certainly not what a struggling team needs.

Free agents that teams would possibly part with now, for below their true value - or next season for free - are.. (only including thos I feel would fit the team).

A few might be unrealistic though

Richards, Brad » F DAL 30 $7,800,000
Jovanovski, Ed » D PHO 34 $6,500,000
Semin, Alexander » F WAS 26 $6,000,000
Markov, Andrei » D MTL 31 $5,750,000
Gagne, Simon » F TBL 30 $5,250,000
Kovalev, Alexei » F OTT 37 $5,000,000 :sarcasm:
Connolly, Tim » F BUF 29 $4,500,000
Kaberle, Tomas » D TOR 32 $4,250,000
Bieksa, Kevin » D VAN 29 $3,750,000 (yeah I know:help:, but I believe heäs better than he's showed the last two seasons)
Wisniewski, James » D NYI 26 $3,250,000
Ehrhoff, Christian » D VAN 28 $3,100,000
Frolov, Alexander » F NYR 28 $3,000,000
White, Ian » D CAR 26 $2,999,995 (weird number?)
Laich, Brooks » F WAS 27 $2,066,667
Zherdev, Nikolai » F PHI 26 $2,000,000
Tanguay, Alex » F CGY 31 $1,700,000 (is that number really correct???)
Dupuis, Pascal » F PIT 31 $1,400,000
Glencross, Curtis » F CGY 27 $1,200,000
Ericsson, Jonathan » D DET 26 $900,000
Greene, Andy » D NJD 28
Bergenheim, Sean » F TBL 26 $700,000
Rypien, Rick » F VAN 26 $550,000 (c'mon, you know you'd like him in Ottawa;o))
Engelland, Deryk » D PIT 28 $500,000


Which of these would you realistically want the most? We have like 6,000,000$ in cap space next season, but also have to resign Ruutu, Shannon, Hale, Leclaire and Phillips (if they're wanted) for pretty much what they make now - none of them really deserves a raise. And are they all needed? Let's say Ottawa don't offer new contracts to Hale, Shannon and Leclaire (and instead brings of the Swedish stud from the minors) - then we'll have around 11,000,000£ in cap space, in which scenario we could possibly (for instance) sign guys like..

Markov, Andrei » D MTL 31 $5,750,000
Laich, Brooks » F WAS 27 $2,066,667
Rypien, Rick » F VAN 26 $550,000
Ericsson, Jonathan » D DET 26 $900,000

To fill those roles, which is a big step up from what we lose.


Michalek-Spezza-Laich

Regin-Fisher-Alfredsson

Foligno-Silfverberg-Neil

Rypien-Kelly-Ruutu


Markov-Ericsson

Phillips-Karlsson

Rundblad-Campoli/Cowen/Kuba


The defence is the essential part when building a team, and this looks pretty solid. And it'll only get better with time since Karlsson, Rundblad & Cowen will only get better, while Kuba and Campoli....get....lost;)


Pretty decent, or perhaps I'm dreaming:D





Waiting for the first; "you're dreaming"







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Nabokov20 12-11-2010 08:20 AM

where did Gonchar go?

RedWhiteBlackGold 12-11-2010 08:29 AM

Gonchar has a NTC, part of the reason he signed with the Sens.

? - Spezza - Michalek

Regin - Fisher - Alfredsson

? - Kelly - Neil

Foligno - Winnie - Butler


Phillips - Karlsson

Kuba - Gonchar

Cowen - Campoli

Carkner

1A ?
1B Elliott

Not sure who to fill in the blanks with but I think we need to get a natural left winger for Spezza. Get Michalek back to the right wing.

Nordic* 12-11-2010 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nabokov20 (Post 29495705)
where did Gonchar go?

Oooops. :cry:

Well, that makes the defence even better:nod:

Polakdave 12-11-2010 01:40 PM

I would try to get these three: Frolov, Laich, and Zherdev (shouldn't cost more than 10-11, I think.)

We could look like:

Frolov-Spezza-Michalek (all natural positions) Line 1
Kelly-Fisher-Alfredsson Line 2a
Zherdev-Regin-Butler Line 2b
Foligno-Winchester-O'Brien/Smith Line 3


Now we have an actual first line, where everyone is comfortable. You can interchange Michalek at anytime with Butler, Zherdev, Alfredsson, or w/e. But now every line serves a purpose and each playing style is matched. Not only that, but our team speed goes up about 50% with that line-up.
Trade Phillips at the deadline or let him walk. Tops sign him at 2.5

OmniSens 12-11-2010 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nordic (Post 29498954)
Oooops. :cry:

Well, that makes the defence even better:nod:

So, Markov is better then Gonchar?

Synthetek 12-11-2010 02:32 PM

Markov? don't we have enough injury prone players?

Xspyrit 12-11-2010 06:34 PM

That line-up has the potential to suck even more than the one we have...

NHL fans all do the same. They whine about their current GM, do some "magic" with a computer assuming everything falls in the place, but in reality it is way more complex and we have absoulety no idea how that would work in the real word (games are not played on paper)

In the last 2 summers, we signed Kovalev and Gonchar, among the biggest UFA names out there. Who can say we could have signed a better player (it's not like Ottawa was the favorite destination for players)? And there isn't a lot of better players in the UFA market, because great players never reach it.

People have to realize this : we won't be able to build through free agency.

Ottawa has to build to the draft and that's what we are doing right now

It explains partially (among with many other problems, like a declining leader (Alfie) for example) why we struggle right now. Having 6 bad drafts (2002 to 2007) in a row hurts... a lot

That's why our GM goes out and sign/trade players to patch the holes (Kovalev, Kuba, Gonchar, Leclaire, Ruutu, Campoli)

But we blame the GM for trying to keep the team competitive (above or below average depending how the season plays out)

So in fact, we blame him for not tanking earlier?

But why so? Since Canadian teams don't do that?


I don't know many teams that have been built through UFA/trades and had some success.

Montreal is playing well right now but Montreal is probably a destination players want to go (even if I think this city is not that great)

But even then, they drafted Markov, Plekanec, Price, Subban, Kostitsyn, Lapierre acquired Pouliot for Latendresse (drafted), acquired Eller for Halak (drafted)...

Almost everyone of them is their young players. What we have as young players that we drafted?

Regin, Foligno, Elliott, Karlsson, Lee.

That's all we produced since 2002 (Meszaros and Eaves too but they are nothing special and we pretty much had to trade them because of injuries or demanding way too much money. So you could add Campoli to that group if you want)


So, imagine that group without Karlsson :help:

It's funny because the Sens actual context reminds me of what the Habs went through because of poor drafting (stay average for years, actually it lasted for over 10 years)

But Sens fans don't realize that Murrays drafting has a chance to turn it around quickly.

"do not look for noon at two o'clock" (do you say that in english?)

ReginKarlssonLehner 12-11-2010 06:41 PM

I personally LOVE the Rypien and Ericsson additions, makes us that much more stronger with players who know their roles and never try to act beyond it.

I don't think there's a chance that Detroit lets him leave though.

Also, with Laich as our big forward signing i'm expecting Bryzgalov/Vokoun in-between the pipes?

Xspyrit 12-11-2010 06:58 PM

Why would Laich sign with the Sens? Why would he sign with a team that traded him when he was a prospect? And he plays for a contender right now, why would go for a team that hasn't finished rebuilding?

Mathieu 12-11-2010 07:16 PM

I would really love to see Rypien in Ottawa.

Nordic* 12-12-2010 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OmniSens (Post 29499624)
So, Markov is better then Gonchar?

Yes, he is. He's also 6 years younger and in his prime.

MatthewT 12-12-2010 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReginKarlssonLehner (Post 29505432)
I personally LOVE the Rypien and Ericsson additions, makes us that much more stronger with players who know their roles and never try to act beyond it.

I don't think there's a chance that Detroit lets him leave though.

Also, with Laich as our big forward signing i'm expecting Bryzgalov/Vokoun in-between the pipes?

I wouldn't want Rypien, that guy has missed a **** load of time the past few years for personal reasons. I would prefer a Ben Eager

Xspyrit 12-12-2010 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nordic (Post 29518292)
Yes, he is. He's also 6 years younger and in his prime.

Not really. Gonchar is a tad better offensively and Markov and is a tad better defensively. But of course, you are probably judging Gonchar as how he played with the Sens so far, it's not like it is easy to come in a new team and play in a ****ed-up system. But Gonchar has been the #1 D-man for a while, for an Elite team that won the Cup and also lost in the finals.

If it was Markov that came to Ottawa, you'd be saying the opposite, trust me.

But do you know that Markov played 45 games last season and only 7 this year? He is done for the season and doctors are not sure about his future. IMO, he will never be the same player

Also, Markov will turn 32 years old in 1 week. Gonchar turned 36 in April. Hardly the 6 years you are talking about

aragorn 12-12-2010 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PolakDave (Post 29499432)
I would try to get these three: Frolov, Laich, and Zherdev (shouldn't cost more than 10-11, I think.)

We could look like:

Frolov-Spezza-Michalek (all natural positions) Line 1
Kelly-Fisher-Alfredsson Line 2a
Zherdev-Regin-Butler Line 2b
Foligno-Winchester-O'Brien/Smith Line 3


Now we have an actual first line, where everyone is comfortable. You can interchange Michalek at anytime with Butler, Zherdev, Alfredsson, or w/e. But now every line serves a purpose and each playing style is matched. Not only that, but our team speed goes up about 50% with that line-up.
Trade Phillips at the deadline or let him walk. Tops sign him at 2.5

Have we not learned our lesson yet with Russian players? :shakehead


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