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LeafsGuru93 12-12-2010 12:53 PM

Secrets from the Leafs’ real boss (Dec.12/10)
 
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It contains “businesses you don’t know about yet,” says the 63-year-old, who’d just lunched with Toronto Blue Jays builder Paul Godfrey at MLSE’s newest gold mine, Real Sports Bar & Grill.

One hint: Real Sports, which opened in the summer and requires reservations most nights, may be rolled out across the country as a restaurant chain. Imagine hungry Habs fans lining Toronto pockets by eating Thai sweet chili wings in Montreal.
- I didn't know you had to make reservations @ RealSports.

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He regrets hiring general managers John Ferguson Jr. and Rob Babcock, twin disasters for the Leafs and Raptors.

He believes the Raptors would have folded in Toronto had the NHL and NBA teams not agreed to share one building;

would-be NHL owner Jim Balsillie damaged his credibility with the league when he ran a season-ticket campaign in Hamilton using the troubled Nashville Predators as bait. And yes, Vince Carter’s mother did have her own ACC parking spot, which caused grief for Glen Grunwald, the GM who approved it.
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Since Peddie announced his pending retirement from MLSE, the phone “has been ringing off the hook” with job offers. That should be no surprise. He’s made ownership steady money by filling the buildings of losing sports franchises with fans, modernizing the jock world with social media and mobile apps, acquiring television channels, selling out 800-plus condos at Maple Leaf Square — just steps from the ACC’s gates, as is the Real Sports bar — and acting as landlord for a nearby grocery store, Longo’s.
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Peddie is a lightning rod for Leaf and Raptors fans because, by his own admission, he is also accountable for gaffes that affected play on the ice and the hardwood.
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RESERVED PARKING: The mother of Raptor star Vince Carter could drive under the ACC at any time and park in her private spot. It wasn’t a popular move when teammates and spouses of teammates discovered the special treatment.

“Big mistake by us, big mistake,” Peddie said. “Not my call, Glen did it. It’s a slippery slope, you have to watch that (player egos) . . . We have none of those problems now, zero.”
http://www.thestar.com/news/article/...eafs-real-boss

LeafOfBread 12-12-2010 01:03 PM

Interesting, glad to see he knows his mistakes at least. Thanks for posting.

Jeffler 12-12-2010 01:07 PM

You don't have to make reservations at Realsports. Its just realistically impossible to get a table in less than a half an hour of wait if a relatively big sports event is happening at the same time, so reservations are logical.

Faltorvo 12-12-2010 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by LeafsGuru (Post 29521459)
- I didn't know you had to make reservations @ RealSports.









http://www.thestar.com/news/article/...eafs-real-boss

LMAO, well of course you have no player ego issues ATM, NONE,NONE of your teams have any star players that can try to command that kind of leverage.

I would by the book where he HONESTLY states what meddling he did that affected the on ice and hardwood product.

Push a win now attitude for the leafs?

Scuttle viable trades because it's counter productive to the mandate of " the short term profits under his stewardship is all that matters"?

push for the signings of McCabe and Carters buddies and the likes?

force the acceptance of those NTC/NMC on JFJ?

Not allow Bosh to be traded?

Push Burke to win now?

dubey 12-12-2010 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by LeafsGuru (Post 29521459)
- I didn't know you had to make reservations @ RealSports.

Chatted with a manager last Saturday before the Bruins game and he said you need to book a few weeks in advance to get a table on a game night. It's an unreal operation they have going over there and how many staff they have working when the place is packed. The guy said they've got a PS3 hooked up to the big screen to play after the place closes :laugh:
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Any bad contracts he’d like to forget? He says he’s paying triple the rent it’s worth — $4 million annually — at Ricoh Coliseum to house the Marlies until 2025, something of a favour to the City of Toronto (the arena owner, MLSE manages it) after the previous AHL tenant left.
That's nuts

Stephen 12-12-2010 01:30 PM

As someone with the business acumen of a Richard Peddie who has built a real estate/sports empire/media/etc giant, it's baffling that he doesn't see the relatively simple blueprint for building winning teams.

Faltorvo 12-12-2010 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 29522151)
As someone with the business acumen of a Richard Peddie who has built a real estate/sports empire/media/etc giant, it's baffling that he doesn't see the relatively simple blueprint for building winning teams.

I'll tell you why.

Often trades and team building strategies demand short term financial pain/risk for longer term gain.

This jack off would not allow any risk to short term rate of return on his watch.

It don't matter one lick to his legacy or future employment when he walks away from this scorched earth policy that the leafs/raps/FC are suffering through.

During his tenure he made the stake holders boat loads of money but left all 3 sport enterprises in shambles. This guy ranks right up there with Harrold B.

He is the model employee for an organization who's top priority is to max short term rate of returns.

Stephen 12-12-2010 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Faltorvo (Post 29522506)
I'll tell you why.

Often trades and team building strategies demand short term financial pain/risk for longer term gain.

This jack off would not allow any risk to short term rate of return on his watch.

Well, sort of agree, and sort of disagree. Seems like they could dress a bunch of chimps in blue jerseys and still make a fortune, so the quality of on ice product is entirely irrelevant to the Leafs being a cash cow. Given this immunity from actually having to ice a decent product, you'd think he would learn to make better use of being at the bottom of the standings...

jimmycarter 12-12-2010 02:04 PM

It really is remarkable that he managed to achieve this level of success (business wise) with a degree from University of Windsor. LOL

Canadians, unlike our cousins to the south, time and time again, fail to understand the LONG TERM. As a testament to our finite minds:

407 vs Eisenhower Interstate.
Avro Arrow.
etc. etc. etc.

jimmycarter 12-12-2010 02:09 PM

fail.

Faltorvo 12-12-2010 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 29522550)
Well, sort of agree, and sort of disagree. Seems like they could dress a bunch of chimps in blue jerseys and still make a fortune, so the quality of on ice product is entirely irrelevant to the Leafs being a cash cow. Given this immunity from actually having to ice a decent product, you'd think he would learn to make better use of being at the bottom of the standings...

Actually the quality of the team iced does affect short term rate of return. It's called playoff revenue.

Could the real possibility of PO $ prevented JFJ from stripping the team down? After the lock out?

Could so many of BBs moves for NHL ready players compared to using/getting picks be an accelerated push for PO $.

Folks like the OTPF don't think whats good for the on ice product 2/3/4/5 years down the road, they boil it down to quarterly and yearly demands for improved rate of return.

Thats reality , thats big business.

Faltorvo 12-12-2010 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmycarter (Post 29522782)
It really is remarkable that he managed to achieve this level of success (business wise) with a degree from University of Windsor. LOL

Canadians, unlike our cousins to the south, time and time again, fail to understand the LONG TERM. As a testament to our finite minds:

407 vs Eisenhower Interstate.
Avro Arrow.
etc. etc. etc.

HAHAHA you don't honestly believe our absolute EPIC fail with the Avro Arrow had anything to do with decisions our politicians freely made do you?

Stephen 12-12-2010 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Faltorvo (Post 29522989)
Actually the quality of the team iced does affect short term rate of return. It's called playoff revenue.

Could the real possibility of PO $ prevented JFJ from stripping the team down? After the lock out?

Could so many of BBs moves for NHL ready players compared to using/getting picks be an accelerated push for PO $.

Folks like the OTPF don't think whats good for the on ice product 2/3/4/5 years down the road, they boil it down to quarterly and yearly demands for improved rate of return.

Thats reality , thats big business.

Well, at the same time, ticket prices have increased since 2004, while the salary cap has meant that the Leafs are spending less than they did before when it was a free for all, so in that respect, while playoff revenue has not come in, they probably are still making more money than they did 6 years ago.

RobBrown4PM 12-12-2010 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Faltorvo (Post 29523049)
HAHAHA you don't honestly believe our absolute EPIC fail with the Avro Arrow had anything to do with decisions our politicians freely made do you?

Freely made?

Canada signed on to NORAD in '57. When Canada signed on with the Americans on NORAD, the Americans had a vested interest to make sure Canada accepted the SAGE program. The Arrow came in to direct conflict with the SAGE program because if Canada went through with production of the Arrow there would be no need for the BOMARC Nuclear-tipped missile, which was one of the primary weapon systems that made up the SAGE program.

Basically the US Defence industry had a lot to lose, money wise, if Canada didn't accept the use of the BOMARC. Plus the US Defence industry didn't want any competition north of the border.

The US had quite a bit more to do with the destruction of the Arrow than a lot of people care to believe.

SnipeCheeseAllDay 12-12-2010 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Faltorvo (Post 29522506)
I'll tell you why.

Often trades and team building strategies demand short term financial pain/risk for longer term gain.

This jack off would not allow any risk to short term rate of return on his watch.

It don't matter one lick to his legacy or future employment when he walks away from this scorched earth policy that the leafs/raps/FC are suffering through.

During his tenure he made the stake holders boat loads of money but left all 3 sport enterprises in shambles. This guy ranks right up there with Harrold B.

He is the model employee for an organization who's top priority is to max short term rate of returns.

Well said. Agree 100%

FreeBird 12-12-2010 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by LeafOfBread (Post 29521620)
Interesting, glad to see he knows his mistakes at least. Thanks for posting.

Too bad he didn't learn from them, Fletcher put the Leafs back another three years in just six months, and then Burke and his ego finished us off untill 2017. :help:

anderson3133 12-12-2010 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Faltorvo (Post 29522506)
I'll tell you why.

Often trades and team building strategies demand short term financial pain/risk for longer term gain.

This jack off would not allow any risk to short term rate of return on his watch.

It don't matter one lick to his legacy or future employment when he walks away from this scorched earth policy that the leafs/raps/FC are suffering through.

During his tenure he made the stake holders boat loads of money but left all 3 sport enterprises in shambles. This guy ranks right up there with Harrold B.

He is the model employee for an organization who's top priority is to max short term rate of returns.

Someone didn't read the article... It says he pays $4,000,000 a year to Ricoh Coliseum for the Marlies.
No other team in their right mind would pay that kind of rent for an AHL team, who prior to this year, have sucked massively.
I think that is a testament to just how much they do actually want to improve the team.

LeafDangler 12-12-2010 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by anderson3133 (Post 29524859)
Someone didn't read the article... It says he pays $4,000,000 a year to Ricoh Coliseum for the Marlies.
No other team in their right mind would pay that kind of rent for an AHL team, who prior to this year, have sucked massively.
I think that is a testament to just how much they do actually want to improve the team.

Don't bother. He's already made up his mind and no amount of reason or evidence will convince him.

dubey 12-12-2010 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by LeafDangler (Post 29525024)
Don't bother. He's already made up his mind and no amount of reason or evidence will convince him.

Kind of sounds like Bill Watters
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Originally Posted by sidmo001 (Post 29523639)
Freely made?

Canada signed on to NORAD in '57. When Canada signed on with the Americans on NORAD, the Americans had a vested interest to make sure Canada accepted the SAGE program. The Arrow came in to direct conflict with the SAGE program because if Canada went through with production of the Arrow there would be no need for the BOMARC Nuclear-tipped missile, which was one of the primary weapon systems that made up the SAGE program.

Basically the US Defence industry had a lot to lose, money wise, if Canada didn't accept the use of the BOMARC. Plus the US Defence industry didn't want any competition north of the border.

The US had quite a bit more to do with the destruction of the Arrow than a lot of people care to believe.

Case in point. Amazing reply.

rimshot 12-12-2010 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sidmo001 (Post 29523639)
Freely made?

Canada signed on to NORAD in '57. When Canada signed on with the Americans on NORAD, the Americans had a vested interest to make sure Canada accepted the SAGE program. The Arrow came in to direct conflict with the SAGE program because if Canada went through with production of the Arrow there would be no need for the BOMARC Nuclear-tipped missile, which was one of the primary weapon systems that made up the SAGE program.

Basically the US Defence industry had a lot to lose, money wise, if Canada didn't accept the use of the BOMARC. Plus the US Defence industry didn't want any competition north of the border.

The US had quite a bit more to do with the destruction of the Arrow than a lot of people care to believe.

Perhaps the fact that the Arrow was a two engine long-range interceptor that would be of use to only Canada, USSR and China might have had something to do with it. Yes, it is possible that the US did not want us to sell the Arrow to our collective enemies....the swine.

RobBrown4PM 12-12-2010 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by rimshot (Post 29525552)
Perhaps the fact that the Arrow was a two engine long-range interceptor that would be of use to only Canada, USSR and China might have had something to do with it. Yes, it is possible that the US did not want us to sell the Arrow to our collective enemies....the swine.

I'm sorry but I don't understand your response.

Canada was not going to sell the arrow to Russia or China, why would they? Your reply confuses me.

Boom King 12-12-2010 05:01 PM

Without having to read this entire thread, I find it funny how a thread about Richard Peddie and MLSE turned into an argument over the reasons for shutting down the Avro Arrow program. :laugh:

rimshot 12-12-2010 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sidmo001 (Post 29525879)
I'm sorry but I don't understand your response.

Canada was not going to sell the arrow to Russia or China, why would they? Your reply confuses me.

If there was a long line up of buyers waiting to buy the Arrow, the British firm A E Roe would have built them as long as the buyers would pay for them. The Arrow died because there were no buyers. There were no buyers because only three countries in the world(the three largest) had any possible need for a long-range patrol fighter. Obviously, any NATO country would refrain from supplying the enemy any war material. In conclusion; the Arrow died from a lack of a market not some evil American military-industrial complex conspiracy. I realize that this conspiracy theory is religion for the Canadian left but it does not stand up to scrutiny.

rimshot 12-12-2010 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Boom King (Post 29525960)
Without having to read this entire thread, I find it funny how a thread about Richard Peddie and MLSE turned into an argument over the reasons for shutting down the Avro Arrow program. :laugh:

You are right. I should have never responded to an inaccurate statement.

The Messenger 12-12-2010 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 29523050)
Well, at the same time, ticket prices have increased since 2004, while the salary cap has meant that the Leafs are spending less than they did before when it was a free for all, so in that respect, while playoff revenue has not come in, they probably are still making more money than they did 6 years ago.

No, they are spending more, much more, 55 million salary plus 15-20 million in revenue sharing.


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