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Beacon 01-05-2011 11:59 PM

Rangers Prospect Poll: #4 RUN-OFF!
 
Michael Sauer and Dylan Mcilrath are tied after 27 hours of voting. Thus, we are going to have a run off.


Dylan McIlrath
Defense
Born Apr 20 1992 -- Winnipeg, MAN
Height 6.05 -- Weight 215 -- Shoots R
2008-09 Moose Jaw Warriors WHL 53 1 3 4 102
2009-10 Moose Jaw Warriors WHL 65 7 17 24 169
2010-11 Moose Jaw Warriors WHL 33 3 10 13 65


Mike Sauer
Defense
Born Aug 7 1987 -- St. Cloud, MN
Height 6.03 -- Weight 206 -- Shoots R

2008-09 Hartford Wolf Pack AHL 64 6 17 23 35
2009-10 Hartford Wolf Pack AHL 42 3 9 12 45
2010-11 New York Rangers NHL 34 1 3 4 34

Alvvays 01-06-2011 12:01 AM

In before Fowler.

Hard choice. I think Big mac has a much higher upside, yet Sauer is much more of a guarantee.

Had to go with the big guy.

Beacon 01-06-2011 12:04 AM

The vote to add a new name to the vote:

1. LW Carl Hagelin: 12
2. D Pavel Valentenko: 5
3. LW Ryan Bourque: 4
4. RW Jesper Fasth: 1
5. RW Dale Weise: 1

Beacon 01-06-2011 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Boyle (Post 30007882)
In before Fowler.

Man, I should've put in Fowler as a choice there because people always feel obligated to discuss him whenever McI's name comes up.

Inferno 01-06-2011 12:05 AM

Michael Sauer is a known quantity and is playing damn near flawless defensive hockey (granted not against top players)....hes quickly turning into a mainstay. McIlrath really hasnt proven anything, and hes not on a significantly better pace than last year. however, i will say ive hardly seen anything of his games so im not the best judge.

Net Front Presence 01-06-2011 12:07 AM

Sauer, once again.

silverfish 01-06-2011 12:10 AM

Has to be Sauer, he's proved so far he can handle the NHL.

clmetsfan 01-06-2011 12:37 AM

Simply comes down to what you value more: potential or reliability. In the case of young defensemen, I'm going with the guy who's proven more, and that would be Sauer.

Wraparounds 01-06-2011 01:23 AM

McIlrath. As much as I love Sauer, McIlrath's upside is incredibly valuable to this organization.

Beacon 01-06-2011 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wraparounds (Post 30008933)
McIlrath. As much as I love Sauer, McIlrath's upside is incredibly valuable to this organization.


Yup. Wrath could be a difference maker like Beuk was. Sauer will be a nice defenseman, but nothing you can't sign any offseason. I would rather have a chance at a second Beuk than to have a guaranteed Poti-quality defenseman.

eco's bones 01-06-2011 06:26 AM

McIlrath. Sauer's been great for us but Dylan at least as of now has a quite a bit more upside.

jas 01-06-2011 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RangerEsq (Post 30009021)
Yup. Wrath could be a difference maker like Beuk was. Sauer will be a nice defenseman, but nothing you can't sign any offseason. I would rather have a chance at a second Beuk than to have a guaranteed Poti-quality defenseman.

Sauer and Poti-quality should never be mentioned in the same sentence. Sauer already displays an understanding of how to play actual defense in the NHL, that it took Poti 10 years to begin to figure out. Sauer also has an edge and mean streak, something Poti has very rarely ever exhibited.

Sauer is establishing himself as a legitimate NHL defenseman, something McIlrath is not even close to showing yet. At the moment, until he can show that he will anything more than a potential top 4 D-man, which Sauer is on his way to doing right now, I do not see McIlrath topping out at a higher end than Sauer.

polako 01-06-2011 07:18 AM

For what it's worth, Potes has put in 11 years of NHL hockey and still going.

If either of these guys is able to spend that amount of time in this league, I'll consider it a success - especially if most of those years are with the NYR.

HatTrick Swayze 01-06-2011 07:19 AM

I don't even think Mac has significantly higher upside to be honest.

BrooklynRangersFan 01-06-2011 07:26 AM

I love what I've seen from Sauer so far, but I always vote upside in these polls, so I went with McI. (In Gordie we trust.)

Screw Fowler - where was the option to pick Tarasenko?

BPD 01-06-2011 07:48 AM

I stand by my assertion that Big Mac's upside is well beyond Sauer - prospects are not about instantaneous gratification.

McIlrath

SupersonicMonkey* 01-06-2011 08:19 AM

McIlrath due to upside.

However, Sauer is a core member of the team. Weather its been stated yet or not, he is.

Can't go wrong with either vote.

Sauer is one of my favorite players already. I love that kid.

Gardner McKay 01-06-2011 09:43 AM

I like the McIlrath pick more than I did at the time but still have to go with Sauer. Hes proving to be a solid NHL defenseman and that is something we still HOPE McIlrath can become. Im sure at the time Jessiman was looked at the same way McIlrath is. Im not comparing the picks or anything Im just saying known quantity should be largely taken into account over a question mark.

That being said... I am happy we took McIlrath over Fowler. The only other player I would have preferred over McIlrath who was available was Gormley because I have a feeling he will be very comparable to Marc Staal if he hits his full potential, but at the end of the day McIlrath is our guy and I think he will become an outstanding NHL player. Maybe 20-25 points a year but the meanest nastiest **** on the ice.

broadwayblue 01-06-2011 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverfish (Post 30008017)
Has to be Sauer, he's proved so far he can handle the NHL.

How can that have any bearing on the question at hand? By that logic no prospect in the AHL could ever be rated higher than any prospect currently playing (even playing well) in the NHL.

Gardner McKay 01-06-2011 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by broadwayblue (Post 30011887)
How can that have any bearing on the question at hand? By that logic no prospect in the AHL could ever be rated higher than any prospect currently playing (even playing well) in the NHL.

Its not the deciding factor or anything. But lets be honest here. If you could take Chris Kreider or Brandon Dubinsky and only have one of them right now, who would it be? Kreider whos upside seems to be a 1st liner with phenomenal speed? Or Dubinsky who is a proven 50 point guy and will likely score 30 this year and have around 65 points and is a 2nd liner/fringe 1st liner? Idk about you but im taking the guy who has proven he can score and play at a 60-65 point level vs the guy who has the potential for 70+

The Sauer/McIlrath situ is no different. Sauer has proven he can play NHL level hockey and do his job well. McIlrath has more upside but hasnt even shown he can play at the AHL level yet, let alone the NHL while Sauer has played solid hockey at both.

Jumbo* 01-06-2011 10:05 AM

Both I think will be top 4 defense dmen.

McIrath has a higher potential that could squeak him into a good #3 dman, maybe #2 if everything clicks perfectly.
Sauer made the NHL already and is playing great as a bottom pair so far.

Im giving the edge to Sauer.

Barnaby 01-06-2011 10:12 AM

Mcilrath has the potential to fill a big whole - Edge to mcilrath, but I don't want to undersell Sauer either. He's cotinuing to establish himself as an important piece on Defense...

jas 01-06-2011 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabborik (Post 30011951)
Its not the deciding factor or anything. But lets be honest here. If you could take Chris Kreider or Brandon Dubinsky and only have one of them right now, who would it be? Kreider whos upside seems to be a 1st liner with phenomenal speed? Or Dubinsky who is a proven 50 point guy and will likely score 30 this year and have around 65 points and is a 2nd liner/fringe 1st liner? Idk about you but im taking the guy who has proven he can score and play at a 60-65 point level vs the guy who has the potential for 70+

The Sauer/McIlrath situ is no different. Sauer has proven he can play NHL level hockey and do his job well. McIlrath has more upside but hasnt even shown he can play at the AHL level yet, let alone the NHL while Sauer has played solid hockey at both.

Well said...that's my reasoning. Sauer is already at a stage that we're hoping McIlrath reaches. And, like we're seeing with Dubinsky this year, it is my belief that Sauer still has upside. He's a very good skater, handles the puck well, and is very sound defensively. He also brings an edge. MCIlrath may have more potential, but, he has a long way to go in developing that potential.

broadwayblue 01-06-2011 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jas (Post 30012326)
Well said...that's my reasoning. Sauer is already at a stage that we're hoping McIlrath reaches. And, like we're seeing with Dubinsky this year, it is my belief that Sauer still has upside. He's a very good skater, handles the puck well, and is very sound defensively. He also brings an edge. MCIlrath may have more potential, but, he has a long way to go in developing that potential.

I hope most of us don't think that is true.

jas 01-06-2011 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by broadwayblue (Post 30012472)
I hope most of us don't think that is true.

Really, you're not hoping McIlrath at least becomes a dependable NHL defenseman? Sauer's already that with the ability to improve.


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