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Sterling31 01-22-2011 01:25 PM

Nyi-edm
 
to EDM:
Rick Dipietro
Travis Hamonic or Calvin De haan
Casey Cizikas


to NYI:
Tom Gilbert
Andrew Cogliano or Gilbert Brule

Riseonfire 01-22-2011 01:29 PM

There is no way in hell ANY team accepts a trade with DiPi coming their way regardless of who comes with him.

Ross Rhea 01-22-2011 01:31 PM

yeah, dipietrio's like a part time goalie

IslesRock4 01-22-2011 01:33 PM

A) No one is taking DiPietro's contract.

B) The Islanders are not desperate enough to move him to give up one of their future top 4 defensemen and a promising Cizikas.

Hampe 01-22-2011 01:34 PM

No one touches DiPietro's contract with a 10 foot pole.

Brian28 01-22-2011 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannyboy8920 (Post 30381361)
to EDM:
Rick Dipietro
Travis Hamonic or Calvin De haan
Casey Cizkas
3rd

to NYI:
Tom Gilbert
Andrew Cogliano or Gilbert Brule

I honestly don't think this is too bad. Some tweaking but it's risk reward for boths teams really. would have to add something; pick/a goalie prospect from Edmonton to help out the Isles such as Dubnyk or Olivier, buit this would give Edmonton a legit shutdown D who's young and could build with our core. Perhaps move Smid in a seperrate deal as Peckham, Smid, Hamonic would be redundant.

NYI get to dump Dipietro's contract and get back servicable PMD d-man and either a speedy player who could use a change of scenery or a gritty bottom 6 guy who would likely inject some energy into tthe bottom 6. Would probably need a little more coming back to part with Hamonic but might be doable...maybe Edmonton's 2nd instead of another goalie prospect for the Isles? Also I'd say drop the 3rd round as NYI move more youth to move salary or replace Gilbert with Smid/Peckham (better d-men).

Very good base for a trade IMO but neither team would pull the trigger as it's too much $ with DP for the term and ISles won't want to part with youth given they're rebuilding as well.

Sterling31 01-22-2011 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IslesRock4 (Post 30381521)
A) No one is taking DiPietro's contract.

B) The Islanders are not desperate enough to move him to give up one of their future top 4 defensemen and a promising Cizikas.

Is the value there though?
Getting rid of dipietro and still be able to gain a top 4 ready dman. Along with a underachieving; but still young center.

At the loss of some future. Im not sure how Hamonic is playing. (in the AHL and NHL this year) ; but De haan shouldnt be anywhere near untouchable. He has been by far the most disappointing player in Oshawa; and has been given all the opportunities in the world.

I think if NYI could unload Dipietro; it would be in there best interest. Getting someone to accept, is another question. Thats why overpaying a bit in futures may happen

SLAPSHOT723 01-22-2011 01:51 PM

Take out DP and I still wouldn't do it. You won't get Hamonic or deHaan for Gilbert and Cogliano/Brule

HemskyToHall* 01-22-2011 01:51 PM

give tavares, okposo, nino along with a first will only make me consider taking that contract.

jumptheshark 01-22-2011 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannyboy8920 (Post 30381361)
to EDM:
Rick Dipietro
Travis Hamonic or Calvin De haan
Casey Cizikas


to NYI:
Tom Gilbert
Andrew Cogliano or Gilbert Brule


you do realize the following

1) Nabby wont report the NYI and this trade leaves them with no goalie
2) Oilers have Habby for 3 more years

Sterling31 01-22-2011 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLAPSHOT723 (Post 30381935)
Take out DP and I still wouldn't do it. You won't get Hamonic or deHaan for Gilbert and Cogliano/Brule

I wouldnt expect you to take that......if DP wasnt involved.
That is the whole reasoning.

NYI unload the bad contract; attach futures to it. to offset the long contract.

And still gain a top Dman, and a change of scenery forward.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jumptheshark (Post 30381989)
you do realize the following

1) Nabby wont report the NYI and this trade leaves them with no goalie
2) Oilers have Habby for 3 more years

When i first made the proposal, i totally forgot about Khabibulin. But, figured they would find a way to get rid of him (i.e retire because of injuries, waive, trade)

rockinghockey 01-22-2011 02:24 PM

No matter the players you are getting back no one is going to take DI's contract. It is worse than Horc's contract.

CREW99AW 01-22-2011 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannyboy8920 (Post 30381361)
to EDM:
Rick Dipietro
Travis Hamonic or Calvin De haan
Casey Cizikas


to NYI:
Tom Gilbert
Andrew Cogliano or Gilbert Brule

You can take Hamonic and De Haan both out of your proposal.There isn't one Oiler player offered,who'd pry either youngster away from the isles.

CREW99AW 01-22-2011 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian28 (Post 30381742)
I honestly don't think this is too bad. Some tweaking but it's risk reward for boths teams really. would have to add something; pick/a goalie prospect from Edmonton to help out the Isles such as Dubnyk or Olivier, buit this would give Edmonton a legit shutdown D who's young and could build with our core. Perhaps move Smid in a seperrate deal as Peckham, Smid, Hamonic would be redundant.

NYI get to dump Dipietro's contract and get back servicable PMD d-man and either a speedy player who could use a change of scenery or a gritty bottom 6 guy who would likely inject some energy into tthe bottom 6. Would probably need a little more coming back to part with Hamonic but might be doable...maybe Edmonton's 2nd instead of another goalie prospect for the Isles? Also I'd say drop the 3rd round as NYI move more youth to move salary or replace Gilbert with Smid/Peckham (better d-men).

Very good base for a trade IMO but neither team would pull the trigger as it's too much $ with DP for the term and ISles won't want to part with youth given they're rebuilding as well.


Isles will wait until DiPi either puts his injuries behind him or until he retires.Unfortunately,I'm thinking it's gonna end with a retirement.

Then we'll see how much the team pays and how much insurance pays.

No interest in moving De Haan,Hamonic or Cizikas for picks who are probably yrs from contributing.Hamonics already on the isles roster.De Haan will be either in Bridgeport or LI next yr.Cizikas could be in Bridgeport, as early as next season.

ItsTheBGB 01-22-2011 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLAPSHOT723 (Post 30381935)
Take out DP and I still wouldn't do it. You won't get Hamonic or deHaan for Gilbert and Cogliano/Brule

You know how hard it is for defenseman to become as good as Gilbert is in the NHL right?

Gilbert gets bashed all the time by over reacting Oiler fans but he is a very, very solid defender.

CREW99AW 01-22-2011 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HemskyToHall (Post 30381939)
give tavares, okposo, nino along with a first will only make me consider taking that contract.

Put down that bong son.Drugs are ruining today's youth :D

HyeDray 01-22-2011 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannyboy8920 (Post 30381361)
to EDM:
Rick Dipietro
Travis Hamonic or Calvin De haan
Casey Cizikas


to NYI:
Tom Gilbert
Andrew Cogliano or Gilbert Brule

Forget about Dipietro — I would not give up De Haan, Hamonic or Cizikas for the three players your listing.

This trade is completely unbalanced and 100% one sided.

For the millionth time — Mike Milbury is not the GM of the Islanders anymore and there is no way any sane person would make this trade.

These kids today — Heroin has done terrible things........

ItsTheBGB 01-22-2011 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CREW99AW (Post 30382866)
Put down that bong son.Drugs are ruining today's youth :D

Tell that to Garth or who ever offered that contract to Dipietro. That could F up our cap when Paajallberle's contracts run out. No thanks. Worst contract in the league.

boredmale 01-22-2011 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLAPSHOT723 (Post 30381935)
Take out DP and I still wouldn't do it.

I think the idea behind the proposal is Dipietro has negative value(which for arguement sake I would think he does since the amount of uncertainty there is for the rest of the life of the deal)

Sterling31 01-22-2011 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HyeDray (Post 30382906)
Forget about Dipietro I would not give up De Haan, Hamonic or Cizikas for the three players your listing.

This trade is completely unbalanced and 100% one sided.

For the millionth time Mike Milbury is not the GM of the Islanders anymore and there is no way any sane person would make this trade.

These kids today Heroin has done terrible things........

If you think that DP is not in the deal for a reason. He is getting dumped by the Isles at the cost of some good futures (like i have already stated).

You wont get rid of DP without moving some picks and or prospects. So saying "i wouldnt trade ____ for the 3 players, if DP wasnt even involved" does not make sense.

The acid must be still effecting you from the 70s.

It Was 4 to 1* 01-22-2011 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian28 (Post 30381742)
I honestly don't think this is too bad. Some tweaking but it's risk reward for boths teams really.

you're an oilers fan

Quote:

Originally Posted by ItsTheBGB (Post 30382831)
You know how hard it is for defenseman to become as good as Gilbert is in the NHL right?

Gilbert gets bashed all the time by over reacting Oiler fans but he is a very, very solid defender.

You know how hard it is for defensemen to become as good as Hamonic in the NHL right?

CREW99AW 01-22-2011 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ItsTheBGB (Post 30382913)
Tell that to Garth or who ever offered that contract to Dipietro. That could F up our cap when Paajallberle's contracts run out. No thanks. Worst contract in the league.

Wang is the one behind that contract.Since he has very deep pockets,let's let him worry about paying it?:)

Let's let him worry about a buyout or the team's portion of retirement insurance.

CREW99AW 01-22-2011 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannyboy8920 (Post 30383083)
If you think that DP is not in the deal for a reason. He is getting dumped by the Isles at the cost of some good futures (like i have already stated).

You wont get rid of DP without moving some picks and or prospects. So saying "i wouldnt trade ____ for the 3 players, if DP wasnt even involved" does not make sense.

The acid must be still effecting you from the 70s.

Find and post a link from a credible source,saying the isles are trying to get out of DiPietro's deal.That they are trying to salary dump him.

I doubt DiPi stays healthy enough to finish the 10 yrs/$45m left on his contract.But that's what insurance is for,isn't it?;)

Brian28 01-22-2011 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rompus Rex (Post 30383101)
you're an oilers fan



You know how hard it is for defensemen to become as good as Hamonic in the NHL right?

And did you even bother to read what I wrote down or just comment b/c I'm an Oilers fan? I could say the same for you as you are an issle's fan. I said it was overpay by the Isles and to add from Edm and take out from NYI. I even suggested upping the QUALITY of Edm's offer while reducing the deal from NYI's perspective.

A good base that neither team will do is exactly that...an impossible deal as neither would be able to agree to terms. Most likely Nyi would want Smid and Paajarvi + 2nd /3rd or something of that nature to actually do the deal. I also said it wasn't TOO bad...not that it was a good trade for the Isles.

N O T O R I O U S 01-22-2011 10:16 PM

A back up goaltender that will be making 4.5 mil per for the nest 9 years helloWTF is going on here man?


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