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jarek 01-21-2011 10:59 AM

ATD2011 Trade Thread & Trade Talk
 
When you post a trade, post it in this format:

team name: picks numbers


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MEMBERS OF THE TRADE COMMITTEE:

jareklajkosz
TheDevilMadeMe
vancityluongo
MVPeyton
Sturminator
seventieslord

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NUMBER OF TRADES PER TEAM:

Detroit Red Wings: 2
Halifax Mooseheads: 2
Kenora Thistles: 2
Montreal AAA HC: 2
Peterborough Petes: 2
Philadelphia Firebirds: 2
San Jose Sharks: 2
Vancouver Maroons: 2
Vancouver Velocity: 2

Cleveland Barons: 1
Detroit Falcons: 1
Inglewood Jacks: 1
Niagara City Blues: 1
Regina Pats: 1

Battle Creek Battallion: 0
Dawson City Nuggets: 0
Garnish Phantoms: 0
Guelph Platers: 0
Hartford Whalers: 0
Jokerit Helsinki: 0
Ottawa Senators: 0
Pittsburgh Bankers: 0
Springfield Indians: 0
Toronto Maple Leafs: 0
Winnipeg Falcons: 0

THESE TEAMS CAN NO LONGER TRADE:

Chicago Steelers/Trinec Steelers
Cincinnati Fireworks
Detroit Riots
Gwinnett Gladiators
Kimberley Dynamiters
McGuire’s Monsters
Minnesota Fighting Saints
Montreal Canadiens
New Haven Nighthawks
New Jersey Swamp Devils
North Pole Penguinators
Portland Pirates
Tidewater Sharks
Toronto St. Pats
Vancouver Millionaires

Dreakmur 01-22-2011 06:33 AM

ATD2011 Trade Thread & Trade Talk
 
My #4 pick is available if anybody wants it. I'm willing to trade both my whole set of picks or just the 1st rounder.

Leafs Forever 01-22-2011 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dreakmur (Post 30377428)
My #4 pick is available if anybody wants it. I'm willing to trade both my whole set of picks or just the 1st rounder.

I'd probably be all over this..were it not for my last ATD.

papershoes 01-22-2011 12:36 PM

my #19 pick (as a set) is available...

on a side note, i'm pretty excited to get this going. i spent the past couple hours coaching on the 1980 ussr olympic bench in lake placid - definitely been in a hockey history mood all day...

Dreakmur 01-22-2011 04:11 PM

Conditional Trade to Announce:
Dreakmur's #4 (and all other picks) for EagleBelfour's #8 (and all other picks)

EagleBelfour 01-22-2011 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dreakmur (Post 30387650)
Conditional Trade to Announce:
Dreakmur's #4 (and all other picks) for EagleBelfour's #8 (and all other picks)

Yeah! We're making history Dreakmur!

TheDevilMadeMe 01-22-2011 04:23 PM

I have no idea why Dreakmur would do that, but I obviously have no problems with GMs picking their draft positions.

Oh and for the record, I'm not married to the idea of picking 16th, so if anyone wants to swap all their picks with mine, I'm game, so long as I like your position.

EagleBelfour 01-22-2011 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDevilMadeMe (Post 30387943)
I have no idea why Dreakmur would do that, but I obviously have no problems with GMs picking their draft positions.

Like I did 3-4 drafts ago: if you're unsure at who you want at pick #4, maybe you're better off trading it.

EDIT: I'm off for the day, probably be back in 10-12 hours.

Leafs Forever 01-22-2011 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDevilMadeMe (Post 30387943)
I have no idea why Dreakmur would do that, but I obviously have no problems with GMs picking their draft positions.

Oh and for the record, I'm not married to the idea of picking 16th, so if anyone wants to swap all their picks with mine, I'm game, so long as I like your position.

I'm pretty sure it's because Dreak picked #4 a couple drafts ago and was likely disinterested in doing so again.

jarek 01-22-2011 05:26 PM

ATD2011 - Trade Thread
 
TDMM.. wanna swap all my picks starting at 11 for your 16?

hfboardsuser 01-22-2011 06:29 PM

As we're still a week away from starting, I wanted to poll other GMs on a hypothetical trade offer.

Team A: First round pick (20s), 20th-23rd rounders
Team B: 6th to 10th rounders

Would you veto such a deal? Why or why not?

seventieslord 01-22-2011 07:30 PM

Good call asking around about this one before pulling the trigger.

vancityluongo 01-22-2011 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Bugg (Post 30390683)
As we're still a week away from starting, I wanted to poll other GMs on a hypothetical trade offer.

Team A: First round pick (20s), 20th-23rd rounders
Team B: 6th to 10th rounders

Would you veto such a deal? Why or why not?

I don't know if I'd outright veto it, but I think I'd ask if the difference between rounds could be decreased slightly. A 1st and a 14th for a 4th and a 6th, sure, I think that's fair value wise.

Assuming that the first rounder is 20, and the GM acquiring it has 21 for the sake of making it easier, that'd be 20 and 861 (22nd rounder) for 220 (6th rounder) and 380 (10th rounder). So moving down 200 spots out of the first round in order to gain almost 500 spots in the middle of the draft? On second thought, I think I might veto that...

You're basically trading a franchise player, whether that be a forward, defenseman or goalie and a 4th liner/bottom pairing defenseman/backup goalie/low level coach for two average top-6 forwards/top-4 defenseman/starting goalies. I can't think of any examples of players currently in the league that would fit the franchise player bill and not have a single chance of getting drafted, or else I'd make an analogy.

Although, in a 40 team draft, losing a top notch player could really end up hurting, even if you're gaining a ton of depth...hmm. Especially if you fall in a matchup with a team boasting a top-10 guy or even worse a top-4 guy...having your best player/series difference maker as a guy who you picked at 60 (assuming they keep their second rounder and don't move up to acquire a higher pick)...regardless of depth, that's tough to overcome. On the flipside, the team taking the first rounder is basically gaining another franchise player at the cost of losing a solid 2nd liner...who could possibly be replaced with a bargain bin guy, without really hurting the team all that much. However, yeah, I don't think that either team is getting an unfair advantage over the rest of us either...

tl;dr - This isn't nearly as clear cut as I originally thought looking at it, but I think I'd stick with my first instinct and let it pass.

seventieslord 01-22-2011 07:55 PM

VCL, based on your numbers, I'd be inclined to veto too, but for the OPPOSITE reason. 200 picks from the first round is huge value, likely a lot more than 500 later.

VanIslander 01-22-2011 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Bugg (Post 30390683)
Team A: First round pick (20s), 20th-23rd rounders
Team B: 6th to 10th rounders

Would you veto such a deal? Why or why not?

An ENTIRE 5-man 2nd unit (2nd line and 2nd pairing) for one guy who is 20th overall?

VETO.

In a 40-team draft it will be crucial to be careful to get a quality top two lines, the first 10-11 rounds. Round 20 will be traditionally MLD-selected guys.

Even for 1st overall pick, giving up the entire second line and second pairing is absurd. The team wouldn't be able to start filling those positions in until the 11th round, outside the top-400 picks.

EagleBelfour 01-22-2011 09:50 PM

1-20-21-22-23
FOR
6-7-8-9-10


I'm taking 6 through 10 and I win the draft thank you very much. Everyone will good knowledge and some experience in this draft would build the winning team if they could get the consecutive picks. Just my two cents.

jarek 01-22-2011 09:55 PM

Isn't that the exact same trade that VI and 70s were nearly executed for pulling off?

seventieslord 01-22-2011 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleBelfour (Post 30397586)
1-20-21-22-23
FOR
6-7-8-9-10


I'm taking 6 through 10 and I win the draft thank you very much. Everyone will good knowledge and some experience in this draft would build the winning team if they could get the consecutive picks. Just my two cents.

see, those are my thoughts. but if i understanad VCL and VI, they see it as lopsided in the opposite way. Which is exactly what I thought a deal of this magnitude would do.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jareklajkosz (Post 30397712)
Isn't that the exact same trade that VI and 70s were nearly executed for pulling off?

Yes, it's much like what we did (1, 21, 22, 23, 24 for 2, 11, 12, 13, 14) But no, we were not "nearly executed" - IIRC, no one cared at all. But later on, I think it was mentioned as a trade that would not fly going forward.

TheDevilMadeMe 01-23-2011 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Bugg (Post 30390683)
As we're still a week away from starting, I wanted to poll other GMs on a hypothetical trade offer.

Team A: First round pick (20s), 20th-23rd rounders
Team B: 6th to 10th rounders

Would you veto such a deal? Why or why not?

You mean Team A is trading every pick between the 6th and 10th round to Team B for a 1st rounder and 3 bench warmers? The team getting the first rounder is getting hosed and I would be inclined to veto.

TheDevilMadeMe 01-23-2011 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jareklajkosz (Post 30389259)
TDMM.. wanna swap all my picks starting at 11 for your 16?

Yes, after thinking about it, I would enjoy picking 11th very much. :naughty:

To North Poll Penguinators: All Swamp Devils picks starting at #16
To New Jersey Swamp Devils: All Penguinator picks starting at #11

jarek 01-23-2011 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDevilMadeMe (Post 30401546)
Yes, after thinking about it, I would enjoy picking 11th very much. :naughty:

To North Poll Penguinators: All Swamp Devils picks starting at #16
To New Jersey Swamp Devils: All Penguinator picks starting at #11

AGREED. TYVM.

vancityluongo 01-23-2011 01:27 AM

All five of the picks from rounds 6 to 10? I'd absolutely veto that then. I was under the impression that the trade was:

1, 21/22

for

6, 10

But if it's 5 picks going each way like I understand it to be now, absolutely no way. That's an incredible advantage to the team giving up the first rounder.

Quote:

Originally Posted by seventieslord (Post 30393191)
VCL, based on your numbers, I'd be inclined to veto too, but for the OPPOSITE reason. 200 picks from the first round is huge value, likely a lot more than 500 later.

Interesting. I'd personally take two second liners over a franchise guy and a scrub...even more so if we're talking about an entire second line and a second pairing on D vs. a franchise player and four scrubs. That's ridiculous value going to a team that will be able to build 3 lines of top-6 calibre forwards along with 3 pairings of top-4 defenseman at the cost of a top-20 player.

Let me put it this way:

One team receives (insert top-20 player of choice here) and Darrell Powe, Blair Betts, Daniel Carcillo, and Sean O'Donnell. The fourth line guys/bottom pairing defenseman for the best team in the league. In exchange for that, you receive:

Alex Burrows, Mikael Samuelsson, Mason Raymond, Dan Hamhuis and Kevin Bieksa. (despite the ten billion Nucks fans in this draft, no one is drafting them)

Using my lame analogy to relate to current players, I know what package I'm taking. I don't care if it's the guy that'll get taken first overall, relative to the ATD, I take the 5 middle round guys everytime. (sorry for all the modern day name dropping)

Edit: I somehow missed his post...but as far as I'm understanding him, it seems like VanI and I are in agreement.

seventieslord 01-23-2011 01:41 AM

So, Mr. bugg. I think you have your answer now. Regardless of how we got there, the GMs don't like the idea of that trade.

jarek 01-23-2011 02:10 AM

ATD 2011 Trade Thread
 
Well, I've already volunteered to be part of the trade veto committee, so I figured I'd start this thread up as well. Post EVERY trade here from now on, so we can free up the clutter out of the main thread and make trades easier to track. I think 70s will have the sole discretion of ignoring any trade made in the main draft thread, but that's up to him to decide.

Members of the trade committee:

jareklajkosz
TheDevilMadeMe
vancityluongo
MVPeyton

Nighthawks 01-23-2011 09:05 AM

I am currently picking 14th. Anyone interested in moving up in the draft send me a PM.


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