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The Fuhr 02-07-2011 12:24 AM

Pittsburgh - Ottawa
 
To Pittsburgh
Milan Michalek

To Ottawa
Dustin Jeffrey
Tom Kühnhackl
Pittsburgh 2011 2nd rd pick

- Pens get a Michalek who has looked good recently, plays a solid two-way game and would look sweet with Crosby... could pot 30+

- Sens get a 22 year old two-way player just breaking in who has Reinprecht potential, a solid looking OHL rookie, and what should be a late 2nd (55-60)

Danger 02-07-2011 12:29 AM

No thanks. Can't afford to give up Jeffrey. He's been too solid recently for another Michalek boy (while it would be awesome to have brothers). Plus, Kühnhackl seems like a solid prospect.

Pyke* 02-07-2011 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Fuhr (Post 30714975)
To Pittsburgh
Milan Michalek

To Ottawa
Dustin Jeffrey
Tom Kühnhackl
Pittsburgh 2011 2nd rd pick

- Pens get a Michalek who has looked good recently, plays a solid two-way game and would look sweet with Crosby... could pot 30+

- Sens get a 22 year old two-way player just breaking in who has Reinprecht potential, a solid looking OHL rookie, and what should be a late 2nd (55-60)

Don't want any of those players from Pittsburgh. Michalek is far from perfect but healthy he is one of the few bonafide top line wingers we have.

JTG 02-07-2011 01:16 PM

Michalek's injury history scares me

wej20 02-07-2011 01:23 PM

Value wise it's good but I wouldn't want to move Kuhnhackl yet, he's had a promising start to his career in the OHL.

internetdotcom 02-07-2011 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyke (Post 30715037)
Don't want any of those players from Pittsburgh. Michalek is far from perfect but healthy he is one of the few bonafide top line wingers we have.

This.

Laoghaire 02-07-2011 01:48 PM

Awful. A bunch of mid level prospects for a top line player on a team that needs more top 6 forwards.

Captain Hook 02-07-2011 01:54 PM

I don't think this deal excites either side. Zbynek and Milan would probably love it though.

Ricky Bobby 02-07-2011 02:04 PM

Ottawa shouldn't be trading Michalek when his value is horribly low because of how poorly he has played this year

And Pittsburgh would have trouble Michaleks absoring 4.33 million salary into there cap space after this season.

Expect Pittsburgh to grab a guy in the 2-3 million range in free agency this year. Someone like Ryder, Strum, Cole, Tanguay to join Kunitz, Crosby, Malkin, Stall as scoring forwards.

The Fuhr 02-07-2011 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laoghaire (Post 30722638)
Awful. A bunch of mid level prospects for a top line player on a team that needs more top 6 forwards.

Jeffrey is going to be a terrific hockey player.

UnderratedBrooks44 02-07-2011 02:22 PM

I like Michalek but I think he's overpaid. We could get more for our money if we're trading for a $4+ million player.

Shrimper 02-07-2011 02:57 PM

Wouldn't agree purely on the basis of losing Jeffrey and Kuhnhackl who looks like a really promising player.

Skk82 02-07-2011 03:09 PM

I don't think either team would be too happy for this.

For Ottawa, Jeffrey could be a reasonably good NHL'er but he's not as good as Michalek. Kuhn and the 2nd round pick are 3+ years away from contributing, if at all. So this trade is a big time net setback in the immediate future.

For Pittsburgh, this is a team that doesn't have a ton of assets in the form of skilled wingers. Giving up a cheap player just breaking into the NHL, plus a good prospect and a relatively high pick is a lot of assets to spare...Especially for a guy with a bit of an injury history.

WickedWrister 02-07-2011 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skk82 (Post 30724276)
I don't think either team would be too happy for this.

For Ottawa, Jeffrey could be a reasonably good NHL'er but he's not as good as Michalek. Kuhn and the 2nd round pick are 3+ years away from contributing, if at all. So this trade is a big time net setback in the immediate future.

For Pittsburgh, this is a team that doesn't have a ton of assets in the form of skilled wingers. Giving up a cheap player just breaking into the NHL, plus a good prospect and a relatively high pick is a lot of assets to spare...Especially for a guy with a bit of an injury history.

All good points

Qvist 02-07-2011 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Fuhr (Post 30714975)
To Pittsburgh
Milan Michalek

To Ottawa
Dustin Jeffrey
Tom Kühnhackl
Pittsburgh 2011 2nd rd pick

- Pens get a Michalek who has looked good recently, plays a solid two-way game and would look sweet with Crosby... could pot 30+

- Sens get a 22 year old two-way player just breaking in who has Reinprecht potential, a solid looking OHL rookie, and what should be a late 2nd (55-60)

Badly structured package. Too many Pens assets of a too high cumulative cost, and yet without any individual asset of a value that is remotely close to Michalek. Fewer but better from Pens would improve it.

Rakunitz23 02-07-2011 03:29 PM

Lol, obviously some Sens fan saw DJ Jazzy Jeff's numbers, and is looking to cash in on the Penguins recent injury woes. Not going to happen.

Leave Spezza Alone 02-07-2011 03:35 PM

No chance from Ottawa.

Ugene Malkin 02-07-2011 03:43 PM

Pens actually need to hold onto their centers at the moment.

Ziggyjoe21 02-07-2011 03:45 PM

If Pens can make it work from a Cap stand point, I'd do it.

Laoghaire 02-07-2011 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Fuhr (Post 30723019)
Jeffrey is going to be a terrific hockey player.

Do you believe that any of the assets you proposed to Ottawa will become better players than Michalek is? Because if they turn out to all be 3rd liners or borderline top 6 players then you haven't addressed a need for Ottawa adequately enough to warrant trading Michalek.

MXD 02-07-2011 03:55 PM

I thought it was

To PIT : Alex Kovalev
To OTT : Thanks.

Skk82 02-07-2011 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MXD (Post 30725290)
I thought it was

To PIT : Alex Kovalev
To OTT : Thanks.

If Craig Patrick was still around, I could see it.

But Kovalev is the anti-thesis of a Shero/Bylsma player.

The Fuhr 02-07-2011 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laoghaire (Post 30725244)
Do you believe that any of the assets you proposed to Ottawa will become better players than Michalek is? Because if they turn out to all be 3rd liners or borderline top 6 players then you haven't addressed a need for Ottawa adequately enough to warrant trading Michalek.

Jeffrey would instantly become the best forward we have on our team or in our prospect pool 25 or younger.

I know last year he put up 70+Pts in the AHL as a winger
This year in the A moved to C at 22 had put up 40GP 45Pts 150Shots and leads the AHL with 6SH goals

In the 11GP he was called up for so far he has 4G and 6Pts...

I think the 22 year old is going to be an outstanding two-way forward.

Skk82 02-07-2011 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Fuhr (Post 30725790)
Jeffrey would instantly become the best forward we have on our team or in our prospect pool 25 or younger.

I know last year he put up 70+Pts in the AHL as a winger
This year in the A moved to C at 22 had put up 40GP 45Pts 150Shots and leads the AHL with 6SH goals

In the 11GP he was called up for so far he has 4G and 6Pts...

I think the 22 year old is going to be an outstanding two-way forward.


Yeah, I think Jeffrey will turn out to be a really solid 2nd/3rd line guy and a valuable piece to a NHL team. He might not have the pure skill to be a big point 1st line guy, but he should be a very good player for a while.

But Kuhlenhackl is sort of an unknown. He might develop into a top 6 NHL'er, he might be a career minor leaguer. He's having a great season in Juniors, but there's no guarantee he's going to have a successful pro career. He could, but who knows.

A 2nd, similiarly, could be a valuable piece or a waste considering how Ottawa drafts/develops the player. Huge unknown.

That's a big step-back in the short-term for a team that is kind of shaky and not really a trade a GM makes when his position and standing seems to be in jeopardy/transition.

Violent By Design 02-07-2011 04:56 PM

I'd love to add Milan, but I wouldn't be interested in moving a roster player like Jeffrey who has been great thus far.

What about something based around our 1st?

1st+Kuhnhackl?


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