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Blackhawkswincup 02-15-2011 05:07 PM

Fla-Chi (2 trades proposals)
 
#1
To Panthers
D Brent Seabrook

To Hawks
D Dimitry Kulikov

With the Buff news signing Seabrook at this point seems impossible to fit with cap going forward and costs

Is Kulikov highly regarded by Tallon or would he be willing to move him for a guy who he had success with in Chicago

Panthers have cap room to afford Seabrook longterm

Kulikov would offer Hawks a top 4 young dman who's costs are affordable compared to what Seabrook would warrant

#2
To Hawks
C Stephen Weiss
D Keaton Ellerby

To Panthers
D Brent Seabrook

Hawks get #2 C we have been needing for years and a young NHL ready dman to step into lineup

Panthers get a #1 dman who excels in all situations and is proven winner , leader and only 25 yrs old

digdug41982 02-15-2011 05:13 PM

I recently proposed Seabrook and Pirri for Weiss and Ellerby and it was a resounding no. Seabrook for Kulikov will get the same response. They love Kulikov and I'd rather have the right handed shot unless they're adding.

BBSeabs27 02-15-2011 05:14 PM

Seabs isn't going to go anywhere. The rumor of him being shopped was stooped by Bowman. He intends on keeping Seabrook.

Blackhawkswincup 02-15-2011 05:16 PM

^
We cant afford another 5 mil + contract longterm

Things have changed with Byfuglien overpayment ,, The price for Seabs just went up

Hawks cant afford another season with a bottom 6 with scrubs like Stalberg/Pisani and hopign that some cheap overhill vet will suffice as a #6 dman (Cullimroe/Boynton failures)

keytolife 02-15-2011 05:16 PM

Sorry the one position the Panthers do not necessarily have to add anything is D. Not moving Kulikov or Ellerby. And Kulikov for Seabrook would cause a riot i guess..

HockeyRulez 02-15-2011 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackhawkswincup (Post 30944471)
#1
To Panthers
D Brent Seabrook

To Hawks
D Dimitry Kulikov

With the Buff news signing Seabrook at this point seems impossible to fit with cap going forward and costs

Is Kulikov highly regarded by Tallon or would he be willing to move him for a guy who he had success with in Chicago

Panthers have cap room to afford Seabrook longterm

Kulikov would offer Hawks a top 4 young dman who's costs are affordable compared to what Seabrook would warrant

#2
To Hawks
C Stephen Weiss
D Keaton Ellerby

To Panthers
D Brent Seabrook

Hawks get #2 C we have been needing for years and a young NHL ready dman to step into lineup

Panthers get a #1 dman who excels in all situations and is proven winner , leader and only 25 yrs old

yes to the 2nd deal, Kulikov isnt going anywhere and I would want to put Garrison instead of Ellerby but Seabrook would be great for us

BBSeabs27 02-15-2011 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackhawkswincup (Post 30944737)
^
We cant afford another 5 mil + contract longterm

Things have changed with Byfuglien overpayment ,, The price for Seabs just went up

Hawks cant afford another season with a bottom 6 with scrubs like Stalberg/Pisani and hopign that some cheap overhill vet will suffice as a #6 dman (Cullimroe/Boynton failures)

Seabrook is expected to be making around 5 million anyway...what atlanta does has nothing to do with what the hawks are going to do. 2 completely different GM's.

Blackhawkswincup 02-15-2011 05:21 PM

Byfuglien getting 5.2 mil a year will have impact on Seabrook contract

Seabrook is much better defender and has good offensive upside

Seabrook is out of our price range at 5 mil or above

Laus723 02-15-2011 05:22 PM

Don't like either of those deals. Perhaps if Garrison, Allen, or Weaver were in there, but it leaves a huge hole at center. Kuli's not going anywhere, and Ellerby was developed the right way, no chance either is moved. Weiss has a NTC, too.

BBSeabs27 02-15-2011 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackhawkswincup (Post 30944877)
Byfuglien getting 5.2 mil a year will have impact on Seabrook contract

Seabrook is much better defender and has good offensive upside

Seabrook is out of our price range at 5 mil or above

Seabrook will be back. I doubt he'll be paid more than Duncs. And Seabrook knows if he goes to another team, they won't be willing to pay over, at least 5.3 mil, anyway.

Gootie 02-15-2011 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BBSeabs27 (Post 30945181)
Seabrook will be back. I doubt he'll be paid more than Duncs. And Seabrook knows if he goes to another team, they won't be willing to pay over, at least 5.3 mil, anyway.

Keith makes 8 mil.

AwesomePanthers 02-15-2011 05:39 PM

From a Panthers POV I would pass on both. Not trading Kulikov, and giving up too much on the second.

Boooooth10 02-15-2011 05:46 PM

No way. Kulikov isn't going anywhere. And we need offense. Trading our best center for a defensive defenseman is stupid.

Hawkaholic 02-15-2011 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boooooth10 (Post 30945533)
No way. Kulikov isn't going anywhere. And we need offense. Trading our best center for a defensive defenseman is stupid.

You mean the defensive defenseman that would have more points than any of your other defenseman.

flapanthersfan 02-15-2011 06:20 PM

Huge pass on both. Kulikov is 20 and already our best defensman. Ellerby is showing a hell of alot of promise as well.

If you want a cheap solid blueliner you should target Jason Garrison. Doesn't have the upside, but can play in your top-4 and only makes like $600k for the next two years.Unspectacular, but very very solid, and much more realistic of an acquisition than Ellerby or especially Kulikov.

HawksTillDeath 02-15-2011 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackhawkswincup (Post 30944471)
#1
To Panthers
D Brent Seabrook

To Hawks
D Dimitry Kulikov

With the Buff news signing Seabrook at this point seems impossible to fit with cap going forward and costs

Is Kulikov highly regarded by Tallon or would he be willing to move him for a guy who he had success with in Chicago

Panthers have cap room to afford Seabrook longterm

Kulikov would offer Hawks a top 4 young dman who's costs are affordable compared to what Seabrook would warrant

#2
To Hawks
C Stephen Weiss
D Keaton Ellerby

To Panthers
D Brent Seabrook

Hawks get #2 C we have been needing for years and a young NHL ready dman to step into lineup

Panthers get a #1 dman who excels in all situations and is proven winner , leader and only 25 yrs old



my god you are one kind of an over-reactor

byfuglien makes 5.2.. who's to say seabrook is much better than that this year?

buff is a norris candidate - seabs isn't
both are in the prime of their career so its moot

whos to say 5.2 isn't the max seabrook can make

and if you want to go long term it can even be less


all i'm sayin is that its easy to overreact right now.. but lets wait and see

Hawkaholic 02-15-2011 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawksTillDeath (Post 30946498)
my god you are one kind of an over-reactor

byfuglien makes 5.2.. who's to say seabrook is much better than that this year?

buff is a norris candidate - seabs isn't
both are in the prime of their career so its moot

whos to say 5.2 isn't the max seabrook can make

and if you want to go long term it can even be less


all i'm sayin is that its easy to overreact right now.. but lets wait and see

Are you seriously saying that Buff is better than Seabrook? SERIOUSLY??????

ShootIt 02-15-2011 06:31 PM

No to both.

ddawg1950 02-15-2011 06:41 PM

I have a certain amount of respect for the OP who often posts quite passionately (and rationally) on other (particularly Canuck) boards. But I'm wondering if both these trade proposals seem to indicate he is giving up on the Hawks making the post season. With the way Keith is being overplayed already, losing Seabrook could be the final nail.

EbonyRaptor 02-15-2011 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackhawkswincup (Post 30944877)
Byfuglien getting 5.2 mil a year will have impact on Seabrook contract

Seabrook is much better defender and has good offensive upside

Seabrook is out of our price range at 5 mil or above

No he isn't. He makes $3.5M and an additional $2M (total = $5.5M) is manageable. Remember the Hawks essentially get $4M more cap room that the ELC bonuses used this season, plus whatever the league wide salary cap ceiling increase will be.

If there is a d-man that needs to be traded for salary cap reasons (other than the obvious untradeabe albatross contract) - it will be Hjalmarsson and his $3.5M (after the one year waiting period from the offer sheet signing expires in July) - not Seabrook.

You run capgeek numbers - I'm sure you can see how Seabrook is manageable at around $5.5M. The #2 d-man (arguably #1) shouldn't get traded unless it's absolute last resort - which this isn't.

EbonyRaptor 02-15-2011 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gootie42 (Post 30945289)
Keith makes 8 mil.

It's not important what Keith's take home pay is for this particular season. What's important is salary cap hit - which I believe is a smidge over $5.5M. The salary cap hit is the average salary over the length of the contract and Keith has one of those mega contracts where the annual salary declines over the years - thereby lowering his yearly average salary which is what is used for salary cap hit.

Ubi Sunt 02-15-2011 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gootie42 (Post 30945289)
Keith makes 8 mil.

we're talking about his average salary over the length of the contract. this is the most important number because it is used to calculate how much salary cap space the player takes up. so keith's cap hit is $5.5 million even though his salary this year is $8 million.

magic school bus 02-15-2011 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HockeyRulez (Post 30944813)
yes to the 2nd deal, Kulikov isnt going anywhere and I would want to put Garrison instead of Ellerby but Seabrook would be great for us

Tallon said they have no untouchables. i wouldnt put it past him, but Kulikov is injured.. might have to be an offseason trade instead, BWC.

Sports24-7 02-15-2011 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by magic school bus (Post 30952548)
Tallon said they have no untouchables. i wouldnt put it past him, but Kulikov is injured.. might have to be an offseason trade instead, BWC.

There may be no untouchables, but Kulikov is the closest thing to it. Tallon has been talking him up as the major part to build around since before the season started. And while there are no untouchables, there are players it will take an overpayment to get and this isn't' an overpayment. And with the Panthers' major needs being on offense, I certainly can't see them moving him for another defenseman.

Darrelle Lundqvist 02-15-2011 09:26 PM

Yeah, it would make sense for a team trying to make the playoffs to break up the top defensive pair in the NHL with Keith


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