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BrooklynRangersFan 02-26-2011 10:20 AM

Thoughts on Christian Thomas's upside?
 
[Another Christian Thomas thread - in particular because I wanted to add a poll. Mods, if you want to merge with the old one, please go ahead.]

So, what are people's thoughts on Stumpy's kid? I know a lot of us (including myself) haven't had the chance to see him play in person or even more than highlights on video, but personally I'm getting quite excited. Going by third party reports, highlights and, yes, stat surfing, it's hard not to be blown away by the kid. The OT game winner last night was just the icing on the cake.

2nd in the OHL in goals playing with no other high-level prospects. Elite sniping skills. Small(er) in stature, but unlike Bourque who scares the bejesus out of me, he appears a lot more solidly built and resistant to physical play. (I also think he may have grown and added some weight since he was drafted.)

I'm starting to think he may have 1st line RW potential. Thoughts?

Beacon 02-26-2011 10:42 AM

High-risk, high-return.

It really depends on the question. If the question is his absolute upside, then it's no doubt that it's first line. If the question is his most likely outcome, then it's second line, on par with something like Zuccarello. But he can also be a total bust.

BrooklynRangersFan 02-26-2011 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by RangerEsq (Post 31244329)
High-risk, high-return.

It really depends on the question. If the question is his absolute upside, then it's no doubt that it's first line. If the question is his most likely outcome, then it's second line, on par with something like Zuccarello. But he can also be a total bust.

I hear you - I guess I meant where do you, in your heart of hearts, think he'll wind up. I went with the second option myself. As I said, I'm really warming up to him based on what I read and see, but I'd like to see him do it for a bit longer - and would like to see more of him myself in person to see if he has "it" - before ever declaring that I think he might become a first liner in his prime.

I am starting to believe that the odds of hitting that 1st line potential are increasing, however, and I might just vote differently if/when this question is posed next year. It's certainly a good sign when other teams' fans come to the Rangers board and ask us if we'd consider moving him... :D

wolfgaze 02-26-2011 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RangerEsq (Post 31244329)
High-risk, high-return.

I still don't see the high risk in this pick (someone else suggested that in the Prospects thread)

NYR Viper 02-26-2011 12:35 PM

I have said it since he was drafted. Mike Cammaleri is a perfect comparison for what Thomas will most likely be minus the attitude and hopefully the injuries. Steal.

t3hg00se 02-26-2011 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by NYR Boyler87 (Post 31247077)
I have said it since he was drafted. Mike Cammaleri is a perfect comparison for what Thomas will most likely be minus the attitude and hopefully the injuries. Steal.

Absolutely. Thomas has an All-Star shot, he's going to score goals at every level with that thing. This is no fluke. This kid has a gift.

LyNX27 02-26-2011 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by t3hg00se (Post 31247530)
Absolutely. Thomas has an All-Star shot, he's going to score goals at every level with that thing. This is no fluke. This kid has a gift.

For the record, Lundqvist said that Dawes had by far the best shot he had ever seen, and we all know Dawes put up big numbers in the minors.

What I like is the amount of time, and the little space he needs to pull it off.

Brendan Shanahan 02-26-2011 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LyNX27 (Post 31247785)
For the record, Lundqvist said that Dawes had by far the best shot he had ever seen, and we all know Dawes put up big numbers in the minors.

What I like is the amount of time, and the little space he needs to pull it off.

But then again Thomas was supposed to be gone by the end of the first round in the draft. Dawes is a different story.

NYR Viper 02-26-2011 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander Brolov (Post 31247949)
But then again Thomas was supposed to be gone by the end of the first round in the draft. Dawes is a different story.

I thought Thomas was supposed to be a 3rd round pick/late 2nd rounder. The Rangers reached a bit for him. Yogan was once considered a 1st round prospect. Right before the draft they had him pegged as a 2nd rounder and the Rangers took him in the 4th.

ColonialsHockey10 02-26-2011 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander Brolov (Post 31247949)
But then again Thomas was supposed to be gone by the end of the first round in the draft. Dawes is a different story.

Thomas was supposed to be drafted later then where the Rangers picked him. It's looking good now, and like Wolfgaze said, people assume high risk, high reward because he's small. He doesn't play small.

bernmeister 02-26-2011 07:19 PM

Went with third line to reflect MINIMUM he should be.
Outside to decent chance if he applies he will get to that second voting choice.

Good skater. Great shot. Solid on intangibles.
Am expecting the poor man's St. Louis.

TheRedViper 02-26-2011 07:24 PM

Upside is first line RW IMO

ecemleafs 02-26-2011 07:27 PM

Marty St. Louis with a better shot and a little bigger.

doming07 02-26-2011 07:38 PM

Pavel Bure with less speed :sarcasm:

In all seriousness, with his combination of hands and shot I can see him being a potential 40 goal scorer.

Most likely however he becomes a 2nd liner that consistently scores 20+ a year.

SupersonicMonkey* 02-26-2011 09:17 PM

Nigel Dawes had nearly 3 consecutive 50 goal seasons in the WHL.

Played bigger then he was. Had a ridiculous shot. Sweet hands. Great vision. Defensively responsible. Was captain of his team.

I'm high on Kreider because his physical tools like size, strength, and skating will make him a servicable player in NHL at the very rock bottom least. But he has a hard shot, quick hands, and all that anyway.

If Thomas' offense doesn't translate, does he have a future in the NHL?

Only time will tell if Thomas can translate his offense to the Pro level, and the NHL.

Dorado* 02-26-2011 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ecemleafs (Post 31259086)
Marty St. Louis with a better shot and a little bigger.

I'm assuming this was sarcasm ? St Louis has won about every award in this league , MVP , scoring title , Stanley Cup , lady Byng , Plus Minus ( w Malik ) if Thomas plays as a regular player I'll be happy but I'm assuming your just kidding in the comparison . Only comparison to St Louis is size . MSL is a first ballot Hall of Famer

Evil Sather 02-26-2011 10:30 PM

You guys are so cute and optimistic. Obv most likely result is AHL/NHL Jason Krog/Darren Haydar type.

Hope not~!

wolfgaze 02-26-2011 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SupersonicMonkey (Post 31263761)
Nigel Dawes had nearly 3 consecutive 50 goal seasons in the WHL.

Played bigger then he was. Had a ridiculous shot. Sweet hands. Great vision. Defensively responsible. Was captain of his team.

and Mike Cammalleri was a PPG player in college for UofM... That doesn't make Thomas any closer to Cammelleri than it does Dawes... Thomas has a clean slate... We won't know what he'll do until he gets a chance to do it... If Kreider had the hockey IQ and scorer's acumen of Thomas, we'd have an elite level prospect on our hands....

TheRedViper 02-27-2011 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SupersonicMonkey (Post 31263761)
Nigel Dawes had nearly 3 consecutive 50 goal seasons in the WHL.

Played bigger then he was. Had a ridiculous shot. Sweet hands. Great vision. Defensively responsible. Was captain of his team.

I'm high on Kreider because his physical tools like size, strength, and skating will make him a servicable player in NHL at the very rock bottom least. But he has a hard shot, quick hands, and all that anyway.

If Thomas' offense doesn't translate, does he have a future in the NHL?

Only time will tell if Thomas can translate his offense to the Pro level, and the NHL.

Dawes' best statistical season got him drafted in the 5th round. He regressed on the scoreboard in each of his following junior seasons. Just because they're both small and are close to 50goals doesn't make them compareable.

007 02-27-2011 04:35 AM

I just want to note how happy I am to see a thread about a prospect on Hockeys Future Boards.com. It's kinda like the old days... Not complaining about how the board has evolved, it's just why I myself got involved in the first place.

On little personal viewing of the evidence, I voted for Thomas being a potential solid 2nd-liner.

Ail 02-27-2011 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Evil Sather (Post 31265731)
You guys are so cute and optimistic. Obv most likely result is AHL/NHL Jason Krog/Darren Haydar type.

Hope not~!

:laugh: Unfortunately you are probably right.

I voted solid second rounder, 30g. This kid gets it done, and has a solid work ethic. Maybe he'll be Callahan with more skill.

BroadwayBlues 02-27-2011 07:48 AM

Sidney Crosby.

N9Y4R 02-27-2011 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Evil Sather (Post 31265731)
You guys are so cute and optimistic. Obv most likely result is AHL/NHL Jason Krog/Darren Haydar type.

Hope not~!

Thanks for keeping it real!
Anything from 1st line W to full career in the A.
Having watched his father play as a smallish guy in a very different NHL, gives me confidence that Christian will find a way to succeed. Steve was a bulldog, if Christian has the heart and desire of his dad he'll make it. Let's hope he does.

Dorado* 02-27-2011 09:56 AM

Corey Millen

DekeR 02-28-2011 02:41 AM

With his size, I am thinking that it is too early for projections. Skills are nice but alot different than playing at the AHL level when those skills have to translate into quicker reaction time, in your face competition and quicker goaltenders.


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