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Takeo 03-13-2011 12:48 PM

Projections for big 6 RFA contracts?
 
I'm sure this has been debated and I probably missed it. So what's the consensus on these new contracts?

Stafford
Gerbe
Sekera
Butler
Weber
Enroth

http://www.capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=8

aceface33 03-13-2011 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Takeo (Post 31637725)
I'm sure this has been debated and I probably missed it. So what's the consensus on these new contracts?

Stafford
Gerbe
Sekera
Butler
Weber
Enroth

http://www.capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=8

Paul Hamilton was talking about $5 million per for Stafford this week. I don't know about that but anyone think we're looking at a Roy-type contract for him?

Moskau 03-13-2011 12:55 PM

Stafford should be looking at $3.5 Million per possibly less. He brings slightly more offense than Ryan Clowe but with less "other stuff" (intangibles? :laugh: ).

Sekera I think would depend exclusively on the length. He will probably finish in the 30 point range for the season which is worth about $2 Million a year.

Selanne00008 03-13-2011 01:01 PM

id like to lock up Sekera and Stafford for 3+ years each. If they regress to old stafford/sekera then they fooled me. What can you do? They are both skating like the wind.

Hal2000 03-13-2011 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moskau (Post 31637829)
Stafford should be looking at $3.5 Million per possibly less. He brings slightly more offense than Ryan Clowe but with less "other stuff" (intangibles? :laugh: ).

Sekera I think would depend exclusively on the length. He will probably finish in the 30 point range for the season which is worth about $2 Million a year.

More than that for a 30-pt. defenseman i would imagine, although contracts players have gotten in recent years make it hard to tell what any player is 'worth' anymore

ct2111 03-13-2011 01:04 PM

Stafford 11m/3ys
Gerbe QO or 2m/2ys
Sekera 3.5m/2ys or 6m/3ys
Butler 2m/2ys
Weber 2.2m/2ys
Enroth QO or 1.7m/2ys

A lot can change, depending how they'll play for the rest of the season. Especially for the dmen.

ct2111 03-13-2011 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moskau (Post 31637829)
Stafford should be looking at $3.5 Million per possibly less. He brings slightly more offense than Ryan Clowe but with less "other stuff" (intangibles? :laugh: ).

When Clowe signed that contract, he wasn't nearly the player he is today. A better comparison would be Pavelski, similar age, similar production, Pavelski brings more intangibles. So I guess anything under 4m is fair value. If he asks for more, trade him for a center.

lifeisruff 03-13-2011 01:50 PM

When Pominville got his 5 million dollar contract, he was a UFA, who was a better playmaker and defensive player then Stafford is. So the idea that Stafford would get a similar contract to Pominville is assine. I'd say 3 million over 3 years.

Sekera can get 1.5 next year and 2 million the year after.

Butler should get 1 million over one or two years.

Gerbe can get 1.25 and 1.5 over the next two years.

Weber I think will probably get one year between 900,000 and 1 million.

Enroth will probably get something similar to Weber.

thefifagod 03-13-2011 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meganie (Post 31637968)
Stafford 11m/3ys
Gerbe QO or 2m/2ys
Sekera 3.5m/2ys or 6m/3ys
Butler 2m/2ys
Weber 2.2m/2ys
Enroth QO or 1.7m/2ys

A lot can change, depending how they'll play for the rest of the season. Especially for the dmen.

These salaries are pretty realistic and I'd be on board with them.

Loungie 03-13-2011 02:10 PM

Id take all the players if i could except maybe Gerbe and/or Butler. Stafford im clueless on cause i dont want him to be another Tim Connolly where we pay him all the money but never shows up in game

ct2111 03-13-2011 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lifeisruff (Post 31638687)
When Pominville got his 5 million dollar contract, he was a UFA, who was a better playmaker and defensive player then Stafford is. So the idea that Stafford would get a similar contract to Pominville is assine. I'd say 3 million over 3 years

He was actually a RFA. I think he was only a year removed from being an UFA (after his contract expired, not after the year he signed it), but still. I remember there were some people complaining that Regier signed him to UFA money when he actually wasn't.

joshjull 03-13-2011 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by thefifagod (Post 31638899)
These salaries are pretty realistic and I'd be on board with them.

Same here.

I have a feeling Stafford's contract talks will be difficult. Stafford never suffers from a low self esteem and iirc had a mini hold out for a recent deal when he had little leverage. Now that he has leverage, I expect him and his agent to use it to the fullest.

New Sabres Captain 03-13-2011 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meganie (Post 31637968)
Stafford 11m/3ys
Gerbe QO or 2m/2ys
Sekera 3.5m/2ys or 6m/3ys
Butler 2m/2ys
Weber 2.2m/2ys
Enroth QO or 1.7m/2ys

A lot can change, depending how they'll play for the rest of the season. Especially for the dmen.

I like these. (I'm assuming the third year for Sekera is a UFA year?)

ct2111 03-13-2011 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by LoveDaSwords (Post 31639244)
I like these. (I'm assuming the third year for Sekera is a UFA year?)

Yup.

Quote:

The following players have qualified for Group 3 Free Agency (age 27 or older or with at least seven Accrued Seasons) and are Unrestricted Free Agents.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=63234

ct2111 03-13-2011 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joshjull (Post 31639214)
Same here.

I have a feeling Stafford's contract talks will be difficult. Stafford never suffers from a low self esteem and iirc had a mini hold out for a recent deal when he had little leverage. Now that he has leverage, I expect him and his agent to use it to the fullest.

Unfortunately I feel the same way. Didn't they sign him a few days before arbitration? Wouldn't be surprised if he accepts an offer-sheet. If he gets offersheeted do you think a lower 1st, 2nd and 3rd (over 4.5m) is enough to let him go? The last thing this club needs is yet another overpaid winger. On the other hand, compensation seems to be a little low, 2012 is supposed to be a dmen heavy draft and there isn't a comparable center available for a mid-low 1st rounder.

joshjull 03-14-2011 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meganie (Post 31641865)
Unfortunately I feel the same way. Didn't they sign him a few days before arbitration? Wouldn't be surprised if he accepts an offer-sheet. If he gets offersheeted do you think a lower 1st, 2nd and 3rd (over 4.5m) is enough to let him go? The last thing this club needs is yet another overpaid winger. On the other hand, compensation seems to be a little low, 2012 is supposed to be a dmen heavy draft and there isn't a comparable center available for a mid-low 1st rounder.

If the Stafford talks do become contentious. It will be interesting to see how Pegula reacts to something like that for the first time.

Ron Barr 03-14-2011 01:35 PM

---
DREW STAFFORD
3 years, $11,775,000 ; Cap Hit: $3,925,000

Salary
2011/12 - $3,800,000
2012/13 - $3,975,000
2013/14 - $4,000,000
---

---
ANDREJ SEKERA
3 years, $7,800,000 ; Cap Hit: $2,600,000

Salary
2011/12 - $2,400,000
2012/13 - $2,600,000
2013/14 - $2,800,000
---

---
NATHAN GERBE
2 years, $2,200,000 ; Cap Hit: $1,100,000

Salary
2011/12 - $1,100,000
2012/13 - $1,100,000
---

---
MIKE WEBER
2 years, $2,300,000 ; Cap Hit: $1,150,000

Salary
2011/12 - $1,100,000
2012/13 - $1,200,000
---

---
CHRIS BUTLER
2 years, $2,000,000 ; Cap Hit: $1,000,000

Salary
2011/12 - $1,000,000
2012/13 - $1,000,000
---

---
JHONAS ENROTH
2 years, $1,850,000 ; Cap Hit: $925,000

Salary
2011/12 - $925,000
2012/13 - $925,000
---



... I don't know how accurate those are, but that's what I would offer.

Jame 03-14-2011 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Takeo (Post 31637725)
I'm sure this has been debated and I probably missed it. So what's the consensus on these new contracts?

Stafford
Gerbe
Sekera
Butler
Weber
Enroth

http://www.capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=8

Stafford 4 yr / 15.0 / 3.75 per
Gerbe 1 yr / QO / ~ 800K
Sekera 4 yr / 12.0 / 3.0 per
Butler 2 yr / 3.5 / 1.75 per
Weber 1 yr / QO / ~ 800K
Enroth 3 yr / 2.70 / .900k per

Tim Murray 03-14-2011 02:06 PM

That Sekera contract is painful. Not if he keeps playing the way he is now, but....pre-2011 Sekera at 3 mil? That would hurt.

If we make the playoffs and he keeps his current performance up it will be much easier to swallow.

dire wolf 03-14-2011 03:42 PM

I think you guys are aiming too low on Weber. I'd offer him at least 3 years, if not more. You have to take some chances and lock in some guys cheap for long term. With Weber's style of play and my perception of his character, I don't think you are going to have drop off in his level of play. (Goalies and scorers can be flukey and inconsistent, but stay-at-home defensemen tend to be more consistent, as long as they have a good work ethic and positive attitude.) Therefore, I lock him up for a while. If he continues to play at his current level for another year, his value will will increase significantly.

ct2111 03-14-2011 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jame (Post 31657336)
Stafford 4 yr / 15.0 / 3.75 per
Gerbe 1 yr / QO / ~ 800K
Sekera 4 yr / 12.0 / 3.0 per
Butler 2 yr / 3.5 / 1.75 per
Weber 1 yr / QO / ~ 800K
Enroth 3 yr / 2.70 / .900k per

Is there a reason why you gave Butler more than twice as much as Weber?
And Weber's QO would be a lot lower than .8m.

Jame 03-14-2011 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meganie (Post 31659575)
Is there a reason why you gave Butler more than twice as much as Weber?
And Weber's QO would be a lot lower than .8m.

45 games played mostly as a 3rd pair guy
143 games played mostly as a top 4 guy, currently top pairing

ZZamboni 03-14-2011 04:06 PM

It's probably just me but i cringe when i see Stafford at 4/yr. 3.75 per. It might be on target, but all i can think of is Connolly, Hecht and Pominville. Which in my view are all grossly overpaid. 2 yr. at 3.75 per, maybe better, but i know i know he will walk away from 2 yr deals etc .... I just don't like it. He will be the hardest contract to swallow this off season IMO.

ct2111 03-14-2011 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jame (Post 31659623)
45 games played mostly as a 3rd pair guy
143 games played mostly as a top 4 guy, currently top pairing

Good point. I hope they'll sign him for less than 1.5m/yr though.

Fire Lindy 03-14-2011 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aceface33 (Post 31637741)
Paul Hamilton was talking about $5 million per for Stafford this week. I don't know about that but anyone think we're looking at a Roy-type contract for him?

Jeez, $5/per would be insanity. I could see it happening though, Stafford is a pretty cocky dude and I could see it being tough to negotiate.


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